tomomi1922 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) wow....just wow.... although even i, as a german, can show some respect for tactics and technology, calling what was done "desperate measures" is completely off.what happened was planned genocide, massmurder... long before any "desperate mesures" could count in.as soon as "we" invaded poland, the murder of "unwanted humans" began behind the lines.there was no desperation, just the will to kill everything that might be a threat, took up valuable space or just didn't fit into the ideology. what i find funny is: the germans learned their lesson... and now are called "cowards" if they choose not to jump into every war big brother might want to start for their own sake. but this thread really has to be closed down... Would you at least read before you comment? I was completely talking about war strategies, troop movements, battle plans. German soldiers fought war for their Fuhrer, they did not know much of what was going on behind the scene, all the mass murders and whatnot. And when I said "Desperate measures", the Desert Fox, Erwin Rommel made a move too soon presuming he would get enough fuel (to secure a strategic location) but his fuel supply was cut off by the British. So his desperate move made one of the WW2 famous mistake list. He ended up not getting what he wanted and stuck in defensive position without a way out. How did you even word any of these into mass murder and stuff? I am not sure how much Erwin Rommel know about all the crazy things going on in Germany, but I am very sure most German soldiers (beside the high ranked SS) knew very little of all the death camps and stuff. They were just soldiers, doing the dying. So yeah, I don't think anyone did plan for their failures. I don't think all the German generals knew they will lose the war and decided to drink to it. They fought to the bitter end, as with how human nature is. Nobody ever gives up that easily. Thus... in desperate times come desperate measures. Nobody wants to lose, to die. Hitler did not plan to genocide his own entire army. So as much as you hate Hitler, give him some credit. He is not that stupid. Edited February 2, 2016 by tomomi1922 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasemyne Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 For me the Nazi symbolism is no problem at all, It costs me just a smile to reactivate TT and Deacon and the hindenburging of a certain zeppelin begins. Haven't done it yet 'cause I'm human after all and I'd really prefer to throw only the fuhrer over the railing in great height and watch him struggling with gravity and death, screaming like a baby :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP1CPH1L Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Nazism was and remains a very influential ideology to this day. From racial to occult to scientific to political reasons. To exclude them is to exclude a niche of history. Can you imagine what Fallout would look like without, say, communist themes? Of course, the world today is incredibly politically correct and programmed by a majority Left media to be that way. For SJWs, the symbol terrifies them, because it represents near total opposition to the existence of what they preach/believe/are. As a result, it is censored. Some sites do not care what you upload. Others care what you upload within the confines of coherence. Others are politically correct. Some are so politically correct that any type of political implement is out of the question. To cite an example of this censorship, the popular political simulator NationStates forbids any use whatsoever of swastikas because of fear of association with Nazism and therefore a potential to damage the reputation of the site (never mind that the site exists to promote an anti-capitalist book written by an Australian Centrist.) However, any use of other totalitarian symbolism is perfectly fine, such as eagles, Fasces, Crosses, the Moon and Star, the Hammer and Sickle, and the revolutionary fist. To me this is outright hypocrisy as they believe that these other symbols which represent totalitarianism and tyranny one way or the other will be less viewed with stigma than the Swastika, because every nitwit in the civilized world knows about Nazis. If we are to censor symbolism or ideology based on whether it may offend someone or not, then anything goes. Perhaps I am anti-communist and am offended by the Hammer and Sickle. Maybe I'm racist and don't like black power symbols. Maybe I'm an SJW and the fact that some mod adds a capitalist vault run by a male overseer triggers me. Should my emotions dictate what is seen and what isn't, especially when I have to deliberately pursue a mod for its content? I don't think so. Unfortunately, not all people are as open-minded or reasonable and strive to censor information based on personal bias or a power trip. Ironically, they follow the mindset of the very same totalitarians some wish to erase from the books. Edited December 9, 2016 by EP1CPH1L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonger Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I spy with my little eye something that begins with necro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP1CPH1L Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I spy with my eye someone continuing a thread to tell someone not to continue a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 How on earth is it possible to accept something like a Nazi-flag on the Nexus forums, I wonder ??? I was sitting down with some Family Members the other night watching a Disney Movie and was deeply offended by seeing children wearing the Nazi Swashtika thingy mijiggy....They should be entirely capable of presenting the Sound of Music without Nazi stuff. Right...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper69 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 "The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism." So it looks like not everyone is offended by it, some religions still consider it sacred. The sad thing is that the Nazis took a religious symbol and turned it into an icon of hatrid and evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit1251 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 How on earth is it possible to accept something like a Nazi-flag on the Nexus forums, I wonder ??? I was sitting down with some Family Members the other night watching a Disney Movie and was deeply offended by seeing children wearing the Nazi Swashtika thingy mijiggy....They should be entirely capable of presenting the Sound of Music without Nazi stuff. Right...... Uh, the Nazi stuff, as you call it was actually in the true story that "The Sound of Music" was based upon and the people depicted actually did exist, as well. The character, Maria, wrote the book and even appeared as a 'walk on' in the movie. In this case it was used because it was part of the story. And, yes. We've necro'd the hell out of this. The Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greentea101 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 To cite an example of this censorship, the popular political simulator NationStates forbids any use whatsoever of swastikas because of fear of association with Nazism and therefore a potential to damage the reputation of the site (never mind that the site exists to promote an anti-capitalist book written by an Australian Centrist.) However, any use of other totalitarian symbolism is perfectly fine, such as eagles, Fasces, Crosses, the Moon and Star, the Hammer and Sickle, and the revolutionary fist. To me this is outright hypocrisy as they believe that these other symbols which represent totalitarianism and tyranny one way or the other will be less viewed with stigma than the Swastika, because every nitwit in the civilized world knows about Nazis. There is no hypocrisy in those people's behavior, according to your own description of the situation. Their actions are in keeping with their fear of being associated with Nazism, and with their belief that symbols other than the Swastika are safe to use. That's being earnest, not hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitigate Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) You cannot have freedom then turn around and say 'oh, but you can't do this...'.Anyone can do anything, but if it harms another or restricts their freedom then there are consequences.So let the Nazi flag fly if that's your thing.Want a giant crucifix in your yard? GO FOR IT!Don't want to bake a cake for homosexuals? OKAY!Feel like standing on the sidewalk and screaming about everything from religion to racism? BE MY GUEST!I'm free to either agree or think you insane. But I will find resistance (and rightly so!) if I should try to prevent you from doing what you please.Anyone who works to prevent an individual from expressing their freedom while exercising their own is a hypocrite and a fascist.And it's quite ironic when you see they're supposedly standing for equal rights and freedom themselves most of the time.I only ask that people have the conviction to follow their beliefs/views to their logical conclusions rather than picking and choosing. 'Cos that's pathetic. Edited December 12, 2016 by Mitigate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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