In terms of humanity, where are we headed?

[HeyYou]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

[csgators]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

 

No, the United States of America would do just fine. :tongue:

[marharth]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

 

There is a satire movie with the same name, might of been based off the book.

 

Its a pretty good movie and its built as if its from a tv documentary. It basically is a documentary on the civil war and the effects, if the confederates won.

 

Its super interesting and quite funny, I would suggest everyone to see it.

[csgators]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

 

There is a satire movie with the same name, might of been based off the book.

 

Its a pretty good movie and its built as if its from a tv documentary. It basically is a documentary on the civil war and the effects, if the confederates won.

 

Its super interesting and quite funny, I would suggest everyone to see it.

 

You guys do realize that that name is not just satire right? That a country by that name existed at one point?

[marharth]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

 

There is a satire movie with the same name, might of been based off the book.

 

Its a pretty good movie and its built as if its from a tv documentary. It basically is a documentary on the civil war and the effects, if the confederates won.

 

Its super interesting and quite funny, I would suggest everyone to see it.

 

You guys do realize that that name is not just satire right? That a country by that name existed at one point?

"satire movie"

 

Didn't say the name was satire.

 

During the civil war the country was split in two parts, the union and the confederacy. The confederates called themselves the confederate states of america and the union called themselves the untied states of america.

[csgators]

While I do agree with you, SOME flavor of central authority is definitely a 'good idea', the current situation is such that the CA has ALL the power, and the citizens it was set up to protect have none. When you give an authoritative body the ability to legislate themselves more power/money/whathaveyou, you havea situation that is pretty much guaranteed to spiral out of control, which is exactly what we are seeing today. The folks with the big money, have the big influence. A perfect example of the results of this is the latest budget that just passed in Michigan..... Education gets cut, taxes on the poor go up, aid programs for the poor get cut, and the corporations get a huge tax break..... Nice huh?

 

Your talking to states right libertarian so I'm not going to argue with you on this, I totally agree. The Federal government should be about 10% of its current size with states and counties talking over many of the responsibilities currently held by the feds, or not as the local populations choose. Having 50 states doing their own thing has many benefits over centralized power, so many I don't even want to start listing them because I could be here all day.

It does have it's benifit's but it's too similar to how Greek City-states worked minus the federal government and all they did was war over silly thing's etc etc. I may not be an American but a whole revamp of the government would do some good in a modern age.

 

The original design was 50 States (as in countries) bound together by a federal government to allow them to use their combined influence internationally and to ensure that fights between states do not get to the point of war. We have abandoned that model for a huge tyrannical centralized government. Exactly what the founders were trying to avoid. What we need is a return to the constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

 

The confederated states of america? (someone wrote a sci-fi book something along these lines a buncha years back... it was an interesting read.)

 

There is a satire movie with the same name, might of been based off the book.

 

Its a pretty good movie and its built as if its from a tv documentary. It basically is a documentary on the civil war and the effects, if the confederates won.

 

Its super interesting and quite funny, I would suggest everyone to see it.

 

You guys do realize that that name is not just satire right? That a country by that name existed at one point?

"satire movie"

 

Didn't say the name was satire.

 

During the civil war the country was split in two parts, the union and the confederacy. The confederates called themselves the confederate states of america and the union called themselves the untied states of america.

 

Just checking. :thumbsup:

[HeyYou]

Well aware, thank you. One of the main reasons I used it. :D

[WeissYohji]

Unless we take some lessons from Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, things will go downhill more and more.

 

What we need to do is permanently throw away all religions (We could start by taxing all the churches), all current notions of race (There's already one race--the human race. Suck on that, racists!), most values and morals and begin anew. Instead of politicians running things, we need a technocracy run by scientists and engineers. Abolish all censorship--make it a crime to censor anything that isn't CP or other filthy content outside the law, in fact. Institute social engineering programs to create more intellectuals, among other means to eradicate mass stupidity so we don't end up with the kind of situation shown in Idiocracy. After all these goals are accomplished, spread this to other nations.

[Harbringe]

A like unto or near extinction level event of our own making is what we are heading to .In science there is a field of study that examines population based on current sunlight .Basically they break down incoming sunlight into an energy value and deduct what is the max human population that can be sustained .They know that the Earths population ranged from 500 million to maybe 1 billion for the last few millenia and that all changed with the discovery of fossil fuels .Why cause fossil fuels broken down into its most basic component is current sunlight captured millions of years ago.So in the last 150 years (industrialization) we have seen our population go from 1 billion to 7 billion and the single biggest reason for it has been oil.We alreeady know we have hit peak production and its just a matter of the math that we are going to start to see declines in population over the coming decades .Not sure when this is going to happen ,it could be that it is actually already starting to happen (food riots/revolutions and all that sort of thing) but one thing I do know once it seriously starts to kick in people are not going to go quietly into the night.

 

 

Watch this film .Part 2 is down on the right

 

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Edited May 28, 2011 by Harbringe

[ub3rman123]

Unless we take some lessons from Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, things will go downhill more and more.

 

What we need to do is permanently throw away all religions (We could start by taxing all the churches), all current notions of race (There's already one race--the human race. Suck on that, racists!), most values and morals and begin anew. Instead of politicians running things, we need a technocracy run by scientists and engineers. Abolish all censorship--make it a crime to censor anything that isn't CP or other filthy content outside the law, in fact. Institute social engineering programs to create more intellectuals, among other means to eradicate mass stupidity so we don't end up with the kind of situation shown in Idiocracy. After all these goals are accomplished, spread this to other nations.

 

I get the feeling that the first person to try that will get stapled to a tree.