Fallout 4 Beta Update and DLC, Creation Kit News

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In response to post #34909225. #34911540, #34912605, #34914740, #34916115, #34916775, #34923105, #34926225, #34938020 are all replies on the same post.

kebrus wrote: I already bought the season pass but I'm now considering a refund.

I hate getting screwed over. They basically delayed the CK to sell more DLCs, thats the gist of it. This is despicable, it shows greed over customer satisfaction. I'm not saying they should not do DLC, but the original promise for the game was the game plus the modding tools, why am I receiving DLCs before the main promise? because the DLC is ready but the tools are not? we are not talking about 3d and 2d assets that could have been done a long time ago, we are talking about whole systems, we are also not talking about a tool that didn't existed before, whatever updates they had for CK should have been a priority over the addons.

They knew that promising the CK for fallout would sell more copies but they also knew that releasing it at the same time as the game or too soon after would make the DLC less attractive so they go for the middle ground, they promise one thing and change it later with lame excuses, 50$ for the season pass? can they really deliver 50$ worth of content? are you telling me all DLCs combined with be worth almost the totality of the main game? all of us know this is not the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if they went 2KGames on this and released a "second" season...

/rant

PS: Didn't they say Q1? or just early 2016?

Jinxxed0 wrote: I doubt they delayed the CK for more DLC sales. DLCs are going to sell regardless because they all eventually become requirements for many mods. Especially since these DLCs will add new systems and assets, many mods will make use of them once the CK comes out.

No need to be dramatic about it. Delays and unforseen things happen all the times. They're doing something they've never done before which is getting mods onto multiple platforms without breaking down. If you've ever bothered to play around the creation kits for these games, you'll know that they're beyond buggy and barely held together with tape and chewing gum and constantly spewing our errors and always on the verge of crashing. So the more time they spend on this one, the better.

kebrus wrote: Why do you doubt it? Have you seen what as been accomplish without CK? Have they released the CK at the same time as the game and a single modder could have done the Automatron DLC by now if not more.

Also I'm not talking out of my ass, I'm a game-developer and I'm familiar with the tools from my time with Skyrim. Meteorites do happen and cannot be accounted for, while having mods on multiple platforms is new, nothing else is, in fact, even if that was the issue wouldn't it make more sense to have the tool out there so they would give modders the time to actually create stuff and see whats needed before getting it to work on the consoles? Do you really believe they'll release the CK and console mod support at the same time?

of course not...

I'm not being dramatic, the consumer should dictate with their money, Bethesda is quietly screwing over with their consumers and they (we) let them. Increasing the price for a season pass is also a first, can you take a guess why they did it? I ask again, do you really believe all DLC combined (these and future ones) are actually worth the base game in terms of scope and quality?

The only unforseen event here is how quickly the modders got to create such good tools, gotta have something to remedy that, oh wait, price increase.

They are such a bunch of good guys for giving us till the end of the month to pay less.
/sarcarm

RaffTheSweetling wrote: I had that exact same thought regarding the delay in getting the CK to us, and what it represents.

I don't think you should mix the issues though - You bought your season pass for DL-content, not for the CK, because the CK was going to be free, and the dl-content was not.
You are getting what you paid for first (and at a better price), and getting the free tool slightly later. It shouldn't matter that the free content comes out later, if your reason for buying the Season Pass was to get the dl-content, right?

I feel the same as you regarding the CK however. I feel at this point that the quality standard of our mods is surpassing the official content quality and this may be something the developers want to prevent/obfuscate, perhaps to be able to sell products that are clones of mods from F03/NV/Skyrim, and perhaps to avoid looking lazy. I don't know.

kebrus wrote: @RaffTheSweetling

You are certainly right. I got the season pass for the DLC and not for the CK but not getting it is the only way I have to speak with my wallet, I would get the refund for the game if I could and wait it out some time, I only got Skyrim almost a year after release so I don't mind waiting.

It's the principle and the potential repercussions I'm against of. I shouldn't feel special because they decided to up the price without any kinds of hints about it, and this is certainly not a discount either, again, I challenge everyone to actually believe they will be giving us DLC almost the size of the full game because that's what it represents. Prices go down with time for games, not higher, the reason season pass even exist is to serve as monetary incentive to create more content. Before season passes all DLC was being sold as standalone pieces (at best packs of them). They actually managed to create demand for the season pass with this stunt, sharing top places with popular games, just think about it for a second, them asking for MORE money for content people barely know anything about that doesn't even exist yet actually competes with top selling available games.

If other companies catch this trend we are in for more bullshit in this industry.

Dreogan wrote: The CK really doesn't relate to DLC sales in any way. I'm quite confident this CK is slower in coming than it was for Skyrim due to issues related to scope, complexity, and polish.

Brandy_123 wrote: I think the delay was built into the model. Its just a good business practice to sell off as much of your product as possible, then the schematics to fix them.

I have the season pass and hope to get much more content. I look at it as hours of game time per dollar spent. There has been very few games that have given me so much return play time since Oblivion then Bethesda games.There certainly are lots of problems, things that should have been fixed prior to release. Such is life with Bethesda. They expect the community will fix/append/overcome issues they themselves either can't or wont fix. We all enjoy their works and we just as much enjoy the incredible talent here on Nexus.

Those who opt to not get the pass will be left behind like in Skyrim. As the mods become more integrated with the content from them, the less will be available for those who declined the purchase.

talosthoren wrote: Turns out software development is a lot of work, and teams have to prioritize their decisions based on what's best for the company.

Patience is a virtue.

djekmiami wrote: 100% agreed with kebrus on this. They know the capability of the modders now following the modding community's success with Skyrim. Business wise it is not wise to give consumers the ability to create content at no cost rather than only have paid content available. Its really obvious, any notion aside from the aforementioned derives from being naive.

Whether it is right or wrong is none of our business as the consumer.

I agree with the original post, Bethesda is on some BS right now. greed greed greed... really disappointing to see it from these guys, changing my views on them.

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yzerman19 wrote: Because they are not releasing the CK until April, I hereby refuse to play Fallout 4 until then. Just kidding!!!!

I doubt they would care. They already have our money.

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In response to post #34907465. #34908765 is also a reply to the same post.

SirSalami wrote: Hey everyone! Really quick news update this time. It’s been busy around here lately and seems things are no different at Bethesda!

For those of you who choose to opt-in, a new Fallout 4 Beta Update has been released. A few new features and an extensive list of fixes are included. The full release notes and further info can be found in the official announcement: http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1592402-14-beta-update/

Over the weekend, details about the first 3 upcoming add-ons were released. I’m especially excited about “Far Harbor”. Interestingly, and similar to the days before Skyrim’s major DLC releases, Bethesda has opened recruitment for participation with beta testing the upcoming content. Though I imagine relatively few will be chosen to participate, registration is quick, simple and who knows, you may get selected!

In addition, Bethesda has announced plans to expand their Fallout 4 content offerings even further. More DLC as well as free feature updates throughout the year, including a complete overhaul of the “survival” aspects of the game were mentioned. However, to reflect the additional content they are now planning, the price of the season pass (which includes all upcoming DLC) will increase from $30 to $50. Thankfully though, the lower price will remain for a short time, so it may be worth purchasing soon before the increase. The full announcement can be found at the official Bethesda site: https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/fallout-4-add-ons-automatron-wasteland-workshop-far-harbor-and-more/2016/02/16/77

Lastly, following Todd Howard’s recent keynote at this year’s D.I.C.E. summit, the folks at Game Informer were able to chat with him about these announcements, console modding, future titles, and other topics. This includes the revelation that the Fallout 4 Creation Kit is due to release between DLCs 2 and 3, hopefully sometime in April! Head over to Game Informer for the full scoop: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/02/22/todd-howard-discusses-fallout-4-dlc-mods-amp-survival-mode.aspx

PC Gamer has also covered this story in case the Game Informer article is region-locked in your area: http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-4-modding-tools-arriving-april/

Also, for those of you interested in seeing the full D.I.C.E. keynote:

[Edit: Link Updated]

That’s it for now. Enjoy your day!

gokuGX wrote: Did u test the update ?

I'm running it now with a highly modded game. I'm not running a frame rate counter, but it seems smoother to me.

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teemu92 wrote: Would you people stop whining already? jeez, this is why i avoid the F4 steam community hub, i would have thought this place was more down to earth but i quess not, time to steer away from comments here too.

Yeah, the "You're not giving me what I want when I want it so YOU'RE being greedy!" line gets old, doesn't it? Not to mention...unsettling.

[AKcelsior]

Anyone else getting atrocious load times with the newest 1.4x beta patch? I almost want to roll back until the official is released.

[Natterforme]

I wont be getting the dlcs until the legendary edition gets released. I would say game of the year but that isnt the case this time around, much to Bethesdas disappointment Im sure.

 

-Natterforme

 

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In response to post #34915140. #34917260, #34921415, #34939755, #34942980, #34951945, #34953245 are all replies on the same post.

revenile wrote: Fallout 3's GECK released after the game, as did Skyrim's Creation Kit. Delayed modding tools are nothing new to Fallout 4, so why is it a big deal now? I don't feel like it's an entirely greedy move on Bethesda for bringing it out in April. I DO think it is part of the reason, wanting the automatron DLC out before the GECK, but again as someone else noted, they have to make the mods created with the GECK able to be run on consoles as well, remember, consoles won't be able to support the FO4SE for example. The GECK is coming, and so what if a piece of DLC comes out first? Just means the first mods made with the GECK will have more of a base to work from, so less mods to be required. If it WAS a freaking cash grab, don't you think that instead of releasing before the Wasteland Workshop DLC, they'd wait until AFTER? Automatron at least sounds neat from the quest angle, but WW is literally just more building stuff, which mods already can do, albeit not perfect. So yeah, if it was a real cash grab, I'd think they'd wait until after WW was released to put the GECK out since THAT would be the one that would be the most "well we wanted to sell the dlc more since modders can do this."

TL; DR DLC probably had a part, repeat PART in the GECK not being out yet, but then again delayed modding tools have been a thing for Bethesda since Fallout 3.

Dreogan wrote: The "they're greedy" conspiracies rely on the assumption that it was possible for Bethesda to have the CK ready for release at the time of game launch, which just isn't a sound assumption. All companies have limited manpower resources, and it's nothing short of crazy to think it was anything other than all-hands-on-deck just to get the game out the door on time. It's not as if CK has been sitting around at Bethesda since before then. Once the *game* was done, they could start to think about polishing in-house tools to the level required for a public CK.

Frankly, that they have DLC releasing at the pace it's supposed to over the next few months, *and* the CK, plus the regular bug-fix and content patches, I'm fairly impressed at their productivity.

yzerman19 wrote: THEY'RE GREEDY type of commenters are usually full blown socialists who are voting for Bernie. Basically, they want a free handout.

Dennisbam23 wrote: @yzerman19 lol the amount of "Free handouts" given to corporations, banks, wall street, and the rich using tax evading loopholes/havens/overseas slave labor far outweighs any help for poor people. We need democratic socialism to give power back to the people instead of perpetuating "Too big to fail/jail" corporations like Chevron, Apple, Caterpillar, Google, GE, Pfizer, Pepsico, Coca-cola, Wal-mart, Intel, Nike, American express, Qualcomm, pay little to no taxes but they use the most amount of tax payer backed infrastructure like water, electricity, roads, air, land.

MythDinoex wrote: I'm not going to start another politic war but daily reminder that SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK. Stop going full retard. Geez

temazatl wrote: socialism doesn't work? Is that just DOGMA or do you have facts to back it up? DOGMA, I bet.

cerealkiller93 wrote: @temazatl Socialism as an ideological construct is highly dogmatic. Marx created a theory based on the pretense that it was science, but in the end its fundamentally flawed by a number of elements like Historicism, dialetical materialism, etc.
Read karl popper's Open Society and Its Enemies, Martin Malia's Soviet Tragedy, etc etc.

Bernie Sanders is not a Socialist, in the full meaning of the word. He is a Democrat, highly progressive in his views, a bit of a demagogue (though not in the same way as Trump). Democratic Socialism is an highly erroneous term as most democratic socialist are more driven by how they feel towards certain issues and not by a certain ideology and structured theory on politics and economics.
Sanders is also an idealist, he lacks an understanding of how governing really works, he lacks foreign policy vision and experience, he doesn't have any idea on how to implement many of his promises and proposals (how will he pass his laws with a republican congress?). not that i disagree with his opinions, i just think he would get nothing done.

temazatl, if you want proof Socialism doesn't work, open a history book. If for some reason the several dozen cases of socialist catastrophes in the past don't convince you, look at Venezuela today, where inflation is skyrocketing, businesses failing en masse, and there are shortages of almost all basic goods.

And don't even try mentioning Scandinavia because they have some of the freest markets in the world, certainly much less regulation and state control than the US or UK, and tax cuts are a regular occurrence because it drives growth. Denmark's prime minister has been telling Americans repeatedly that they are NOT socialist.

 

 

 

Hope the members of this discussion understand that this thread is called "Fallout 4 Beta Update" and not "Socialism and other dialectic talks". There are site sections specially dedicated to that, go use them.

[warheadz]

Reading the comments below, their college professors must be so proud !

 

 

[4040AD]

They have a fix for the Scribe but what about the other level 4 traders ?

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In response to post #34915140. #34917260, #34921415, #34939755, #34942980, #34951945, #34953245, #34954290, #34960740 are all replies on the same post.

revenile wrote: Fallout 3's GECK released after the game, as did Skyrim's Creation Kit. Delayed modding tools are nothing new to Fallout 4, so why is it a big deal now? I don't feel like it's an entirely greedy move on Bethesda for bringing it out in April. I DO think it is part of the reason, wanting the automatron DLC out before the GECK, but again as someone else noted, they have to make the mods created with the GECK able to be run on consoles as well, remember, consoles won't be able to support the FO4SE for example. The GECK is coming, and so what if a piece of DLC comes out first? Just means the first mods made with the GECK will have more of a base to work from, so less mods to be required. If it WAS a freaking cash grab, don't you think that instead of releasing before the Wasteland Workshop DLC, they'd wait until AFTER? Automatron at least sounds neat from the quest angle, but WW is literally just more building stuff, which mods already can do, albeit not perfect. So yeah, if it was a real cash grab, I'd think they'd wait until after WW was released to put the GECK out since THAT would be the one that would be the most "well we wanted to sell the dlc more since modders can do this."

TL; DR DLC probably had a part, repeat PART in the GECK not being out yet, but then again delayed modding tools have been a thing for Bethesda since Fallout 3.

Dreogan wrote: The "they're greedy" conspiracies rely on the assumption that it was possible for Bethesda to have the CK ready for release at the time of game launch, which just isn't a sound assumption. All companies have limited manpower resources, and it's nothing short of crazy to think it was anything other than all-hands-on-deck just to get the game out the door on time. It's not as if CK has been sitting around at Bethesda since before then. Once the *game* was done, they could start to think about polishing in-house tools to the level required for a public CK.

Frankly, that they have DLC releasing at the pace it's supposed to over the next few months, *and* the CK, plus the regular bug-fix and content patches, I'm fairly impressed at their productivity.

yzerman19 wrote: THEY'RE GREEDY type of commenters are usually full blown socialists who are voting for Bernie. Basically, they want a free handout.

Dennisbam23 wrote: @yzerman19 lol the amount of "Free handouts" given to corporations, banks, wall street, and the rich using tax evading loopholes/havens/overseas slave labor far outweighs any help for poor people. We need democratic socialism to give power back to the people instead of perpetuating "Too big to fail/jail" corporations like Chevron, Apple, Caterpillar, Google, GE, Pfizer, Pepsico, Coca-cola, Wal-mart, Intel, Nike, American express, Qualcomm, pay little to no taxes but they use the most amount of tax payer backed infrastructure like water, electricity, roads, air, land.

MythDinoex wrote: I'm not going to start another politic war but daily reminder that SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK. Stop going full retard. Geez

temazatl wrote: socialism doesn't work? Is that just DOGMA or do you have facts to back it up? DOGMA, I bet.

cerealkiller93 wrote: @temazatl Socialism as an ideological construct is highly dogmatic. Marx created a theory based on the pretense that it was science, but in the end its fundamentally flawed by a number of elements like Historicism, dialetical materialism, etc.
Read karl popper's Open Society and Its Enemies, Martin Malia's Soviet Tragedy, etc etc.

Bernie Sanders is not a Socialist, in the full meaning of the word. He is a Democrat, highly progressive in his views, a bit of a demagogue (though not in the same way as Trump). Democratic Socialism is an highly erroneous term as most democratic socialist are more driven by how they feel towards certain issues and not by a certain ideology and structured theory on politics and economics.
Sanders is also an idealist, he lacks an understanding of how governing really works, he lacks foreign policy vision and experience, he doesn't have any idea on how to implement many of his promises and proposals (how will he pass his laws with a republican congress?). not that i disagree with his opinions, i just think he would get nothing done.

milkowskip wrote: temazatl, if you want proof Socialism doesn't work, open a history book. If for some reason the several dozen cases of socialist catastrophes in the past don't convince you, look at Venezuela today, where inflation is skyrocketing, businesses failing en masse, and there are shortages of almost all basic goods.

And don't even try mentioning Scandinavia because they have some of the freest markets in the world, certainly much less regulation and state control than the US or UK, and tax cuts are a regular occurrence because it drives growth. Denmark's prime minister has been telling Americans repeatedly that they are NOT socialist.

shadowhacker27 wrote: temazalt, socialism doesn't work. Obama is a Socialist. Has it worked? Unemployment is almost 90% worst. The economy, individual rights and rights in general are destroyed. Privacy is destroyed. Ownership is destroyed. Many children across the world are dead thanks to the socialist in power. And, may I remind you, Hitler, Stalin and Mao were full blown socialists/communists.

Need you know more, let me know... although no possitive effect is expected to be caused given that most idiots who can see reality do not even read so they cannot be affected by others' opinions/reality checks.

i hope they criminalize idiocy soon, these Obstructionists are getting annoying...