Endorsement begging.

[DDProductions83]

Per TOS

 

Do not solicit (ask for) ratings, endorsements or file of the month votes either for your own mods or for mods created by other Nexus members within your file/image description

 

Now, I have actually been guilty of what I am about to complain about before, which doesn't make it any less of a complaint merely more of a affirmation that this gets stretched.

 

I have seen a decided increase in Endorsement begging in comments, there is actually quite a lot of it in descriptions and I have been debating just being a dick and reporting tons of it, but that requires work. The letter of the law can be interpreted to allow for endorsement begging in comments, in all caps, in a sticky.

 

Just curious if there can be any clarification on it or to it, or a removal of it entirely, or something. Or should I just play mod police and chain report description ones and beg for them in my comment section on the sly like others?

 

Just something that's been bugging me, as we know endorsements are the key to the hotfiles and while a re-download prompts etc, TOS be TOS.

 

Honestly I personally circumvent it by just waiting till 2k downloads and tweaking my mod a bit to get re-downloads and have the popup pester them for endorsements etc. Ethically shady, maybe, but we all know how the endorsement rates go :P

[BigBizkit]

The letter of the law can be interpreted to allow for endorsement begging in comments, in all caps, in a sticky.

I never thought about that being the reason. I just assumed it is something that is handled more lax by staff in general.

 

Why not just flat out allow it? How is saying "If you like it please endorse" more of an issue than the endorsement reminder? If people want to go overboard with it, let them. It would only be hurting them.

[DDProductions83]

"ENDORSE TO MAKE THE HOTFILES!" this is one recently.

 

I honestly am all for the 'just bloody allow it' option. I still probably won't do it or mitigate when I do it IE if it's others work etc, it just seems tacky as hell to put up there like that.

[Lisnpuppy]

I actually had this come up when I was a moderator of someone actually endorsement begging in the comments. As it was not "technically" in the description. We decided no, it was not allowed but as this is something of a minor offense (as it was a first offense and this mod author was otherwise not someone that had a history of moderation) it was handled privately. Had it been numerous offenses I am sure it would have been differently.

 

Now that was then, this is now. They may have decided something different. I would simply report a single comment of begging per mod author. Please also note that these things take some time and perhaps not all comments will get erased if they are old and long threads.

 

 

edit: I know Robin has discussed why he doesn't allow it before but I have forgotten where that conversation took place. A thing like the donation thingy was discussed that it just was there on every authors page the same but it maybe died in committee.

 

edit: many times for the fact I can not type on a night with no sleep

[Signette]

Can anyone explain how exactly endorsement begging can increase number of endorsements? I thought it purely tied to content quality and nothing else, like if I really find mod well done from many aspects and liking it I endorse, no matter if someone begging or not like if I care... Also it sounds odd, why would author honestly care about downloads or endorsements?

[JimboUK]

Can anyone explain how exactly endorsement begging can increase number of endorsements? I thought it purely tied to content quality and nothing else, like if I really find mod well done from many aspects and liking it I endorse, no matter if someone begging or not like if I care... Also it sounds odd, why would author honestly care about downloads or endorsements?

 

Begging makes me less likely to endorse something, I know I won't endorse an image where the author asks for endorsements no matter how good it is.

[wolfsangeleyes]

Can anyone explain how exactly endorsement begging can increase number of endorsements? I thought it purely tied to content quality and nothing else, like if I really find mod well done from many aspects and liking it I endorse, no matter if someone begging or not like if I care... Also it sounds odd, why would author honestly care about downloads or endorsements?

 

I am not a mod author but I can imagine that if you put a lot of work in to your mod and decide to share it with others, you'd be curious if other people like/want the mod. An endorsement kind of shows that.

 

What sometimes annoys me about the 'endorsement begging' is that some of the mod authors who ask for endorsements barely ever endorse themselves. And that I don't get.

Obviously endorsements are important to them, otherwise they wouldn't ask/beg for it, but they can't be bothered to endorse themselves.

 

Edited for typos

Edited March 1, 2016 by wolfsangeleyes

[DDProductions83]

Can anyone explain how exactly endorsement begging can increase number of endorsements? I thought it purely tied to content quality and nothing else, like if I really find mod well done from many aspects and liking it I endorse, no matter if someone begging or not like if I care... Also it sounds odd, why would author honestly care about downloads or endorsements?

 

Honestly it's less tied to quality/begging more just a statistic at this point.

 

To be fair if it's really awesome quality etc you get more initially, but overtime the endorsements tend to always fall between 3 and 10% of unique downloads

Usually gravitating between 4-6

It's pretty astounding really, and initial endorsements are all that matters in terms of getting your mod out visually IE front page as you only have a 7 day window to be there.

[DrakeTheDragon]

Can anyone explain how exactly endorsement begging can increase number of endorsements? I thought it purely tied to content quality and nothing else, like if I really find mod well done from many aspects and liking it I endorse, no matter if someone begging or not like if I care... Also it sounds odd, why would author honestly care about downloads or endorsements?

I don't know. Must be somehow related to Users actually "blackmailing" some Authors with withholding their Endorsements until their Requests are fulfilled. Folks apparently tend to put more value into the pesky things than they're worth?

 

I myself am guilty of "not" endorsing in general, but that's mainly because I detest the things, as to me they're only some meaningless statistical numbers solely used by Users to sort their search results by for this illusion of falsely perceived "value", some kind of clever self-delusion, no less. But that's just me. ... Begging for them, or even using them for blackmail of all things, however, really is a stretch and can only be pitied by those with a functional brain left.

[IsharaMeradin]

 

What sometimes annoys me about the 'endorsement begging' is that some of the mod authors who ask for endorsements barely ever endorse themselves. And that I don't get.

Obviously endorsements are important to them, otherwise they wouldn't ask/beg for it, but they can't be bothered to endorse themselves.

 

It is not for the lack of trying, I am sure. But rather Nexus won't allow the uploading author to "endorse" their own mod. I believe that those users who were given editing rights can endorse the mod, but probably only prior to being given the editing access.