What is EVIL?

[BlackRampage]

I think Evil is the inability to see others as important. Many wrongs have been perpetrated over the years by people blind to this ideal. Even when the best intentions have been had, the feelings of others illegitimacy to be who they are have destroyed many things, and uncounted opportunities for the human race to grow.

BlackRampage, the only ideal mentioned there by kvnchrist is that marked in bold by me... no other "ideal" can be inferred from that.

Pity you completely disregard the sentence behind it. (and it's possible consequences)

 

This, and your other post above it bear the semblance of an unwillingness to accept that there are those with radically different views on idealism and morality. Slightly disappointed.

[nosisab]

I think Evil is the inability to see others as important. Many wrongs have been perpetrated over the years by people blind to this ideal. Even when the best intentions have been had, the feelings of others illegitimacy to be who they are have destroyed many things, and uncounted opportunities for the human race to grow.

BlackRampage, the only ideal mentioned there by kvnchrist is that marked in bold by me... no other "ideal" can be inferred from that.

Pity you completely disregard the sentence behind it. (and it's possible consequences)

 

This, and your other post above it bear the semblance of an unwillingness to accept that there are those with radically different views on idealism and morality. Slightly disappointed.

Um, care to tell what is behind those words?

 

About my post... are you sure do not have a little issue interpreting texts?

[draconix]

As for the first part, you really don't have to go back in time at all. Quite a few developed countries have the age of consent under sixteen. I believe it is fifteen in Sweden, and as young as thirteen in Japan.

 

I don't really know for sure, I am not really agreeing with Kuraikiba at all. I am wondering if a act alone could count as evil, even in the person committing the act is not.

 

I think that it's totally possible that an act could be considered evil while a person would not be considered evil, sure. Look at the idea of stealing food for your kids to eat so they don't starve. Theft is evil, but when someone steals for the right reasons, they would not be considered evil. Look at Robinhood? How many people consider him evil?

 

But honestly, I could say that "My cat is evil," "George Bush is evil," or, "this desk is evil," and it would have just the same amount of meaning. It's just a word that sometimes has some consequences when a large number of people agree that a person or their actions are evil.http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/armscrossed.gif

[Dicecaster]

1. Dude, he's not "condemning" anybody. He gave no indication that he wasn't going to accept anybody else's opinion. If you're going to debate, don't distort what we're saying.

No? He deems not adhering to a certain ideal "evil". Tell me how that would not condemn those who don't adhere to this ideal.

Furthermore I am not at all attempting to distort what anyone is saying.

 

I apologize, what I said was unwarranted. What I mean to say is that if someone posts in a debate thread, they state their current idea/theory/etc., but are open to its discussion, therefore meaning he is not necessarily condemning of everyone else's ideas.

 

2. Line 6: "Obviously the concept of evil is just a human invention. Ever seen anything in nature that could be defined as 'evil'?" I don't understand your argument. Unless I'm mistaken, you are saying that evil is a human invention because we haven't seen anything in nature that could be classified as evil. This seems to be a very strong case of circular reasoning.

Is it? Fair enough. Lets say nature is everything around us except for ourselves and whatever we have created.

If there is no evidence of anything in nature that could be defined as "evil", then where else but humanity could "evil" come from then?

 

I would agree, but humanity is a part of nature, so you can't really say that.

 

I believe that there are moral laws of nature in place, just like the laws of physics. Simply put, if these laws are obeyed, life gets better, otherwise, life gets worse. I believe this works on a personal and corporate level. I also believe that any society (past or present) or non-fictional story can easily justify this claim.

Laws of physics, like all laws of nature, cannot be bended, circumvented, broken or plainly ignored (well except maybe in a singularity). If there would indeed be "moral laws of nature", then those would need to be obeyed at all times as well. If that's true then every single person would have no choice but to obey those "moral laws". Extremely unlikely. Life would only be able to get better. (which is obviously not the case)

 

Okay, not just like the laws of physics, that was a poor representation. They are natural laws in that they are . . . omni-true (if you understand my meaning).

 

I'm also rather curious as to what those laws would be then. Could you provide evidence or an example of those laws being in place?

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

 

Being natural laws, they are scientifically discover-able. That's what judges used to do, they were scientists that found and applied these natural laws. Mr. Richard J. Maybury has done research on the subject, and two Fundamental Laws were found before natural law scientists disappeared. Essentially:

 

1. Do all you have agreed to do, and

2. Do not encroach on other persons or their property.

[kvnchrist]

I think Evil is the inability to see others as important. Many wrongs have been perpetrated over the years by people blind to this ideal. Even when the best intentions have been had, the feelings of others illegitimacy to be who they are have destroyed many things, and uncounted opportunities for the human race to grow.

I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion you are far to quick to judge those with different ideals and views on morality.

What you're essential doing is taking a certain "ideal", define it as "good" and condemn those who disagree with your concept. What's next? Force others to see things your way? Now that would be evil.

If you can't even accept that there are those with different opinions, how can you even "see others as important"? Circular logic.

 

Obviously the concept of evil is just a human invention. Ever seen anything in nature that could be defined as "evil"?

Why was it invented? Apparently because we humans must have something or someone to blame for just about everything and anything.

Scapegoating has become a way of live. Far easier to blame others for your own incompetence or failings then trying to do something about it yourself.

Aside: You know where the term scapegoating originates from? It originates from a common ritual nomads used to do centuries ago: It basically came down to feeding a single goat to the point of serious obesity, then "blaming" the goat for all the misfortune that had befallen it's owners, then releasing the goat and chasing it into the desert in the hopes that it would take all the "misfortune" with it. :facepalm:

 

 

From your quote of my post I don't see what you are talking about, so I assume I opened up some wound somewhere. You said I'm judging. Whom am I judging. Then you call me a coward with your use of a scapegoat. I dont care if you respond to my post and I'm sorry if I bruised something in you, but please refrain from your personal attacks, I did nothing to deserve them.

[nosisab]

That boy reaction is incoherent to say the least, he is the one who breaks his own words not "accepting" the ideal of others, which he so strongly condemn.

 

I believe the part he misunderstood (without surprise since he misunderstood everyone afterwards) is

the feelings of others illegitimacy to be who they are have destroyed many things

or:

 

Can't you see, BlackRampage? Looks like you defend others are non legit to be who they are... a very dangerous and extremist view point, based on a no explainable reasoning about the own legitimacy to feel "superior".

 

You can have the ideology you want, just remember everyone able to see it's destructive nature will deem it evil and do whatever possible to prevent that ideology becoming another example of shame for humanity.