Above the law.

[marharth]

Would all of Korea being communist be a threat to the USA?

 

I honestly don't know, so that is a genuine question.

 

No more than 'still' communist Vietnam is. Even if S.Korea were overrun by the North (very unlikely as the South is much wealthier and has a much better military), would that gravely affect the US? No. The consequences of our 'containment policies' have resulted in genocide and atrocities that most Americans would be shocked about if they knew about them. Indonesia, South America, Vietnam, the Congo, the list is endless.

So if it was not a threat to the USA, wouldn't that be considered a humanitarian thing?

[Ghogiel]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Ghogiel

[marharth]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

A fully classless society will not work with human nature though. Communism turns into something that it is not meant to be due to human nature.

[Ghogiel]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

A fully classless society will not work with human nature though. Communism turns into something that it is not meant to be due to human nature.

So they say.

[JimboUK]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

 

Tries and fails every time, you just end up with a new elite made up of senior party members.

[SpellAndShield]

Would all of Korea being communist be a threat to the USA?

 

I honestly don't know, so that is a genuine question.

 

No more than 'still' communist Vietnam is. Even if S.Korea were overrun by the North (very unlikely as the South is much wealthier and has a much better military), would that gravely affect the US? No. The consequences of our 'containment policies' have resulted in genocide and atrocities that most Americans would be shocked about if they knew about them. Indonesia, South America, Vietnam, the Congo, the list is endless.

So if it was not a threat to the USA, wouldn't that be considered a humanitarian thing?

 

Do you mean humanitarian intervention? If so, no one who knows anything about American foreign policy takes such a claim seriously. Even if the intention were there, it always ends diasterously.

[Ghogiel]

@jim_UK

 

and that is different than what we have now....? :unsure:

 

Same as everything else, it has only been a ruse to trick people into following others with the promise of equality. I'm a really bad cynic when it comes to market politics. :mellow:

Edited September 9, 2011 by Ghogiel

[Flintlockecole]

@jim_UK

 

and that is different than what we have now....? :unsure:

 

Same as everything else, it has only been a ruse to trick people into following others with the promise of equality. I'm a really bad cynic when it comes to market politics. :mellow:

Any form of Government that has power kills freedom, the only true freedom would be complete anarchy "No gods, No masters". Theres my two quid.

[Dan3345]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

A fully classless society will not work with human nature though. Communism turns into something that it is not meant to be due to human nature.

So they say.

Don't be naive. In Soviet Russia that old communist joe... Stalin gave himself all the power! This what happens in every communist system. Its human nature for Christs sake..

 

Stalin killed hundreds of his own personal political friends out of paranoia. Every communist country needs a leader. Every nation needs one. That leader will give himself more power then the rest effectively making a class, in a supposedly classless society.

 

We can see the same thing in modern China. There is only one party now. The communist party. Or the PRC. The PRC has all the power. But that's fair right. That's how Marx intended. For a new class system where a group or an individual rises higher then anyone else can ever hope. Communism is a modern joke. It never works, and how could it?

Edited September 9, 2011 by Dan3345

[marharth]

It is clear that communism and all the other "isms" give birth to an elite and this promotes dictatorships etc., but this also includes that wonderful word so many loves so muc, called Democracy ... which is nothing more than mobocracy, majority rule ... and what the majority says goes, even if it's bad ... and this in turn raises certain individuals to political power who can have their own way because the "people have said so".

Marxism is fundamentally opposed to a dictatorship at its very first premise. You're right in that is could be called mob rule, as the proletariat is in charge, where as in a dictatorship that absolute fundamental rule is broken, the dictator is placed above that of the people and having power to act on his own will. This makes him a higher class of society. Which just cannot happen in a classless society. In communism power never rests in a single individual.

 

Communism is the only ism that tries to do away with the 'elite'.

A fully classless society will not work with human nature though. Communism turns into something that it is not meant to be due to human nature.

So they say.

Don't be naive. In Soviet Russia that old communist joe... Stalin gave himself all the power! This what happens in every communist system. Its human nature for Christs sake..

 

Stalin killed hundreds of his own personal political friends out of paranoia. Every communist country needs a leader. Every nation needs one. That leader will give himself more power then the rest effectively making a class, in a supposedly classless society.

 

We can see the same thing in modern China. There is only one party now. The communist party. Or the PRC. The PRC has all the power. But that's fair right. That's how Marx intended. For a new class system where a group or an individual rises higher then anyone else can ever hope. Communism is a modern joke. It never works, and how could it?

It never works, but that is not how Marx intended it.

 

He didn't want to have a group or a person in complete power, he wanted every single human in the world to be completely equal.

 

There has never been a real communist county, because true communism is impossible due to human nature. People want to have power, people want to live in tribes and groups. Those tribes and groups need leaders. Those leaders will naturally be a higher class level then other people.

Edited September 9, 2011 by marharth