Arthmoor Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 If you are subjected continually to panicked feelings of drowning, how is that not torture? I think being subjected every 5 minutes to thoughts of "Oh god im going to drown" sufficiently constitutes tortureFortunately your opinion isn't what sets the standard. Currently that honor belongs to the president, who right now happens to lean in your direction. Bush did not, and common sense should tell you why. Getting wet doesn't do you any lasting harm. Getting your face smashed in does. Having your toenails yanked out with pliers does. Being pumped full of addictive psychotropic drugs does. Having the knuckles on your hands broken with hammers does. THESE methods are torture, and I'm sure I could probably come up with other equally gruesome methods of extracting information from someone. Playing loud music? Losing a bit of sleep? Being in a room that's uncomfortably warm/cold (note: not the extremes mentioned by Bush)? Doesn't even register. I've seen and experienced hazing rituals in school that are far worse that what some of you are labeling as torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlockecole Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 If you are subjected continually to panicked feelings of drowning, how is that not torture? I think being subjected every 5 minutes to thoughts of "Oh god im going to drown" sufficiently constitutes tortureFortunately your opinion isn't what sets the standard. Currently that honor belongs to the president, who right now happens to lean in your direction. Bush did not, and common sense should tell you why. Getting wet doesn't do you any lasting harm. Getting your face smashed in does. Having your toenails yanked out with pliers does. Being pumped full of addictive psychotropic drugs does. Having the knuckles on your hands broken with hammers does. THESE methods are torture, and I'm sure I could probably come up with other equally gruesome methods of extracting information from someone. Playing loud music? Losing a bit of sleep? Being in a room that's uncomfortably warm/cold (note: not the extremes mentioned by Bush)? Doesn't even register. I've seen and experienced hazing rituals in school that are far worse that what some of you are labeling as torture. Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and death. Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years So brain damage isn't any lasting harm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisnpuppy Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 And suddenly its a debate on torture and water boarding. :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) And suddenly its a debate on torture and water boarding. :biggrin: They must have taken a right hand turn at Albuquerque after tunneling out of Gitmo....Whats up Doc? Edited October 19, 2011 by Aurielius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I think this one is not just getting way off topic, but has been beat to death. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent083.gif I recommend agreeing to disagree and letting it go.Topic closedbben46, Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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