Future of EU...

[Harbringe]

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

 

Oh yeah because the alternatives are working out just oh so well.

 

Edited July 15, 2016 by Harbringe

[CiderMuffin]

 

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

Oh yeah because the alternatives are working out just oh so well.

 

 

That lone gunman is because of the "get out foreigner" rhetoric that is filling politics throughout the western world, that's literally a problem the west has created and doesn't represent immigrants or refugees as a whole. One lone gunman or ISIS terrorists don't represent people running from them or simply trying to find a better life. There are hundreds of immigrants coming into numerous countries every year, one doesn't mean we should refuse all. All it shows is we need to stop demonizing people so that we don't create more extremists and we need to fix broken aspects of our societies and cultures.

 

Again, playing not at home with "if you're not like me go away" will just cause more problems and we're already seeing what that rhetoric will do.

[HeyYou]

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

Brexit-like solutions is not the answer nor was it even a smart idea. At this point we've reached to the fact you can't simply ignore people and close down borders and just hope it all gets better. Because it won't get better, playing not at home with heavy locks just makes it worse

 

How is that 'making matters worse'?

 

Here in the states, we want to curtail ILLEGAL immigration. You know, folks entering the country ILLEGALLY. And you consider this Fascist/Racist??? Seriously??

[JaYmZeE311074]

"Freedom is worth more than money - a concept the Brits still believe in"

 

There may be some British people who still believe in it, but there politicians do not. Were bombarded with legislation curtailing our freedoms and telling us how to live our lives - such fantastic legislation as the "Psychoactive Substance Bill" or that fantastic completely uninforceable joke that was brought into law to criminalise smoking in a car if there were children in said vehicle.

 

Or how about the snoopers charter - everything Edward Snowden let be known - I could go on but it's pointless.

[CiderMuffin]

 

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

Brexit-like solutions is not the answer nor was it even a smart idea. At this point we've reached to the fact you can't simply ignore people and close down borders and just hope it all gets better. Because it won't get better, playing not at home with heavy locks just makes it worse

 

How is that 'making matters worse'?

 

Here in the states, we want to curtail ILLEGAL immigration. You know, folks entering the country ILLEGALLY. And you consider this Fascist/Racist??? Seriously??

 

It's to late to do anything about it and the only things to do about it would cause numerous problems both budget wise and social wise. It's way to late to stop it and the border is so huge there won't be an effective way to do anything about it. We've tried for over 20 years to solve this issue and nothing has worked. Border walls haven't worked, large border patrols haven't worked, large scale deportation hasn't worked. At this point it's useless to do anything about illegal immigrants from Mexico besides just giving up and helping them integrate into America.

 

That's not to mention that once we do actually try large scale deportation all it's going to do is lead to people rioting, attacks from both sides of the issue (though white supremacists are already firing the first shot) and large scale problems.

[HeyYou]

"Freedom is worth more than money - a concept the Brits still believe in"

 

There may be some British people who still believe in it, but there politicians do not. Were bombarded with legislation curtailing our freedoms and telling us how to live our lives - such fantastic legislation as the "Psychoactive Substance Bill" or that fantastic completely uninforceable joke that was brought into law to criminalise smoking in a car if there were children in said vehicle.

 

Or how about the snoopers charter - everything Edward Snowden let be known - I could go on but it's pointless.

Sounds like the democratic party here in the states. :)

 

"we know better than you how you should live your life, and raise your children." Even though the folks screaming the loudest don't have any kids. :D

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

Brexit-like solutions is not the answer nor was it even a smart idea. At this point we've reached to the fact you can't simply ignore people and close down borders and just hope it all gets better. Because it won't get better, playing not at home with heavy locks just makes it worse

 

How is that 'making matters worse'?

 

Here in the states, we want to curtail ILLEGAL immigration. You know, folks entering the country ILLEGALLY. And you consider this Fascist/Racist??? Seriously??

 

It's to late to do anything about it and the only things to do about it would cause numerous problems both budget wise and social wise. It's way to late to stop it and the border is so huge there won't be an effective way to do anything about it. We've tried for over 20 years to solve this issue and nothing has worked. Border walls haven't worked, large border patrols haven't worked, large scale deportation hasn't worked. At this point it's useless to do anything about illegal immigrants from Mexico besides just giving up and helping them integrate into America.

 

That's not to mention that once we do actually try large scale deportation all it's going to do is lead to people rioting, attacks from both sides of the issue (though white supremacists are already firing the first shot) and large scale problems.

 

Oh, "It is hard, therefore, we shouldn't do it."

 

When was the last time 'large-scale' deportation was tried? I don't seem to recall anything of that nature.

 

We tried amnesty a couple times too, as I recall, and all that got us was MORE illegal immigration.

[Aurielius]

 

Given what has happened in Nice, Brussels and Paris how can anyone support the EU's open immigration policies? Uncontrolled Immigration mandated by Brussels was the tipping point in the Brexit debate. When a ship (EU) hits an iceberg it is not assured safety to get into the lifeboats (Brexit), but it's more dangerous to stay on board while the bridge focuses on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes under.

So your plan is to make it worse by encouraging closed borders and giving the people who are actually a problem more support. This is exactly what terrorists want, to spread fear, ignorance and hatred around so they can use it to make their enemies into the bad guy.

 

Brexit-like solutions is not the answer nor was it even a smart idea. At this point we've reached to the fact you can't simply ignore people and close down borders and just hope it all gets better. Because it won't get better, playing not at home with heavy locks just makes it worse

 

If you check the historical record you will find that in times of war immigration is much more restricted....or non existent. As for the Brits, they made their choice and we will have a choice in November as to which way we (US) will go. If we are capable of going to the moon I think we can manage one wall if Trump wins...will that stop them? I doubt it, but it will slow them down. If Hillary wins I recommend designer Kevlar.

[sunshinenbrick]

The very idea of 'illegal immigration' is a part of the way that we are all made to fit into the machine we so ardently fight against. Just think about it for a moment, the system is in large ways broken right now, all you need to do is believe you are free and that is most of it. To be free within boundaries is the most potent part of how the 'pyramid' works.

 

It is easy to feel hopeless as they (the upper parts of society) are essentially the same. They have to be, because why would they change things when they are the ultimate beneficiaries of our turmoil as well as our 'contentment'.

 

We are between a rock in a hard place and perhaps it is all to little too late, but only for us 'minions' really. We will squabble and fight over scraps while we are looked over by the real players among the haze of champagne, smoke, and mirrors.

 

It might be that the only way to stop war is to realise we are already in one. Not all war is guns and blood (although there is plenty of this happening already) i.e. Cold War 2.0™. Maybe it must be our intelligence, communication, psychology, and our resolve that might actually be able to make the real change that everyone wants - balance, freedoms, equality etc..

[Beriallord]

 

Brits should vote UKIP, French should vote Front National, US citizens should vote Donald Trump, and Russians should keep voting for Vladimir Putin. Everyone else should vote for populism over globalism.

So basically everyone should go fascist and racist. Yea, how about we not vote in people whose major platform is kicking out anyone who isn't the same color as they are. UKIP proved it's incompetence with the Leave campaign basically hurting Britain more then it helped, Front National is so far-right neo-nazis love them and even it's founder was criticized for his positive views of neo-nazism, Donald Trump is a moron con artist who has been sued over 3,500 times, is constantly spouting out incorrect racist views, is hated world wide, who is constantly employing white supremacists and tweeting neo-nazi propaganda, even his plans would not only ruin our economy but ruin the global market.

 

The last thing we need is a new Axis power.

 

 

You're not even worth having an intelligent debate with.

 

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