DDP MY MODS ARE DOWN, COMMENCE ATTACK ON BETHESDAS MAIN PLATFORM

[blackninja50]

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:42 PM, TeamBacon said:

Saying that all of these guys only play games on consoles, but they have good quality PCs that they can pirate and run Fallout 4 well enough to go into the Creation Kit and rip mods *The Creation Kit crashes even my computer* just so they can stop using their PCs and PC copy of Fallout 4 and play on the Xbox or Playstation copy of Fallout 4 that they bought... Is in fact possible... But it is not what I would call the most likely scenario.

 

If you have a PC that runs this stuff, and you are a thief... why would you buy a console and a console version of the game in the first place? A thief would just use their PC and run a pirated copy of the game and save themselves all that money.

 

You have to really, really stretch things for it to make sense that these guys that actually steal this stuff are not PC gamers just looking for the notoriety of uploading these popular mods to the masses.

 

The people who have the knowledge to pirate games and use the Creation Kit don't fit the demographic of people who play on console.

 

 

 

It is just simple logic, Mr. Mavkiel.

No, you don't need a PC that can run fallout 4 to steal mods, just one that can run the CK. I can run the CK on a $400 laptop so obviously your just doing something wrong.

 

And no these entitled robin hoods are clearly console users seeing as they say s#*! like "it's your fault for not porting to xbox". The real enemy is the console users defending and encouraging them. if console users didn't suck pirates you know what and call them heroes and instead condemned them for what they are this would not be so out of hand.

[ionarch]

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:37 AM, DDProductions83 said:

You guys seriously think I was done modding? I really thought the fake win 98 background and font would give it away but I guess I'm too unpredictable or some s***.

 

Maybe ppl will think I'm done and I can go mod and my absence will stir up s*** for me for a few days and I can actually get some damn modding done.

 

Happy to see you stick around, couldn't believe you would surrender. Also you need to make aidsthesda great again, be the roboTrump.

[marcmorr6]

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:39 AM, Userper said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:35 AM, Mavkiel said:

On a fun note, imagine once the next console platform gets mods, we get to go through this all over again. Part of me hopes they do it sooner rather then later. Just to get it all over with.

 

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, we're bound to come across some issues at first...

that said, the blatant abuse of modder's IP is becoming a bit much, beths admin needs to pull their finger out.

... when you create mods for an existing game any IP right remains with the game creator as it is thier assets you are modding. Bethesda is being more fair than most corperations would be in their attempt... as failing as it has been...to protect the mod content creators.

[DrakeTheDragon]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, marcmorr6 said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:39 AM, Userper said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:35 AM, Mavkiel said:

On a fun note, imagine once the next console platform gets mods, we get to go through this all over again. Part of me hopes they do it sooner rather then later. Just to get it all over with.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, we're bound to come across some issues at first...

that said, the blatant abuse of modder's IP is becoming a bit much, beths admin needs to pull their finger out.

... when you create mods for an existing game any IP right remains with the game creator as it is thier assets you are modding. Bethesda is being more fair than most corperations would be in their attempt... as failing as it has been...to protect the mod content creators.

 

 

 

Why do I always see this wrong representation of the laws in place crop up again and again? How many people are there who don't know their basic laws at all?

By laws and regulations the copyright for any mod is with the author from the very moment it's created. Bethesda knows this. "They" aren't fighting it. As of right now they even included a reinforcement of this regulation inside their very own EULA, mostly for legality reasons of course.

 

The author is the owner of their creation. They might not be allowed to sell it, as the copyright holder of the asset it's a "derivative work" of demands as much, which is their right just as it is the author's towards others, but apart from that it is their work to do with as they please, or to tell others what not to do, and their's alone. "Only" the thieves, and their supporters, and well, maybe also a few clueless again and again, do not understand that, or they do but do not care.

 

This is not between the authors and Bethesda, this is between the thieves and both. You aren't fighting the authors alone when you deny the laws, you are fighting the company as well, and in your actions are putting them at risk of legal reprimands especially, which is the exact reason for why they say what they say in their terms. Stop twisting their words and the laws. It does not make your statements in any way right.

[iXenite]

Edit: For clarification, I am not in any way shape or form endorsing the porting of content by people that are not the mod authors or directly affiliated with the mod authors. In other words, I am not endorsing mod piracy at all. I oppose mod piracy.

 

 

This is my view on the "poisoning" of mods and other nonsense that has been proposed to sabotage mods in the name of anti-piracy. It is also my general thoughts on how this whole disaster could possibly be "fixed". I will acknowledge ahead of time that it is not perfect.

 

Gabe Newell once said: “One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”

 

For Gabe Newell and Steam/Valve it was a matter of ensuring games would reach markets quicker than they used to, thus, limiting the need to pirate the games you want to play. In addition to that, it was also a matter of pricing and sales. You can get games for less money than retail stores, and you get updates to your games that are harder to obtain on stolen copies.

 

For mod authors, the solution should be the similar. Pirates cannot support the mods. They lack the understanding to provide any customer service beyond uploading the pirated content. If a mod is something that can be ported then it should be ported.

 

If it is something that obviously wouldn't work on consoles or is forbidden by Bethesda, then it will be taken down anyway. This has already been proven to be true. Bethesda does not want mods that break their rules and will remove mods when they are reported, and has done so already.

 

If this approach is adopted, the people using the pirated versions will come to use the real versions over the pirated ones. Why? Because it is the superior version. It has the mod authors blessing, and official support for any bugs the mod may have (and they will have bugs). This has been proven by Valve to work, and it should work for mod authors too.

 

Another quote from Gabe Newell that is very applicable:

 

“The point was, the people who are telling you that Russians pirate everything are the people who wait six months to localize their product into Russia… So that, as far as we’re concerned, is asked and answered. It doesn’t take much in terms of providing a better service to make pirates a non-issue.”

 

Anyway, that is essentially my thoughts on this. I think it is a good solution. At least it is a lot better than trying to give the Nexus a bad name by attempting sabotage, joking or otherwise. Feel free to disagree.

Edited June 7, 2016 by DaddyDirection

[marcmorr6]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:15 PM, DrakeTheDragon said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, marcmorr6 said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:39 AM, Userper said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:35 AM, Mavkiel said:

On a fun note, imagine once the next console platform gets mods, we get to go through this all over again. Part of me hopes they do it sooner rather then later. Just to get it all over with.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, we're bound to come across some issues at first...

that said, the blatant abuse of modder's IP is becoming a bit much, beths admin needs to pull their finger out.

... when you create mods for an existing game any IP right remains with the game creator as it is thier assets you are modding. Bethesda is being more fair than most corperations would be in their attempt... as failing as it has been...to protect the mod content creators.

 

 

 

Why do I always see this wrong representation of the laws in place crop up again and again? How many people are there who don't know their basic laws at all?

By laws and regulations the copyright for any mod is with the author from the very moment it's created. Bethesda knows this. "They" aren't fighting it. As of right now they even included a reinforcement of this regulation inside their very own EULA, mostly for legality reasons of course.

 

The author is the owner of their creation. They might not be allowed to sell it, as the copyright holder of the asset it's a "derivative work" of demands as much, which is their right just as it is the author's towards others, but apart from that it is their work to do with as they please, or to tell others what not to do, and their's alone. "Only" the thieves, and their supporters, and well, maybe also a few clueless again and again, do not understand that, or they do but do not care.

 

This is not between the authors and Bethesda, this is between the thieves and both. You aren't fighting the authors alone when you deny the laws, you are fighting the company as well, and in your actions are putting them at risk of legal reprimands especially, which is the exact reason for why they say what they say in their terms. Stop twisting their words and the laws. It does not make your statements in any way right.

 

 

Having dealt with this in real world courts personally... you are wrong. Bethesda ultimately owns anything you create with their tools which is why the can put limitations on what you can and can't do with them.

[marcmorr6]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:31 PM, DaddyDirection said:

This is my view on the "poisoning" of mods and other nonsense that has been proposed to sabotage mods in the name of anti-piracy. It is also my general thoughts on how this whole disaster could possibly be "fixed". I will acknowledge ahead of time that it is not perfect.

 

Gabe Newell once said: “One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”

 

For Gabe Newell and Steam/Valve it was a matter of ensuring games would reach markets quicker than they used to, thus, limiting the need to pirate the games you want to play. In addition to that, it was also a matter of pricing and sales. You can get games for less money than retail stores, and you get updates to your games that are harder to obtain on stolen copies.

 

For mod authors, the solution should be the similar. Pirates cannot support the mods. They lack the understanding to provide any customer service beyond uploading the pirated content. If a mod is something that can be ported then it should be ported.

 

If it is something that obviously wouldn't work on consoles or is forbidden by Bethesda, then it will be taken down anyway. This has already been proven to be true. Bethesda does not want mods that break their rules and will remove mods when they are reported, and has done so already.

 

If this approach is adopted, the people using the pirated versions will come to use the real versions over the pirated ones. Why? Because it is the superior version. It has the mod authors blessing, and official support for any bugs the mod may have (and they will have bugs). This has been proven by Valve to work, and it should work for mod authors too.

 

Another quote from Gabe Newell that is very applicable:

 

“The point was, the people who are telling you that Russians pirate everything are the people who wait six months to localize their product into Russia… So that, as far as we’re concerned, is asked and answered. It doesn’t take much in terms of providing a better service to make pirates a non-issue.”

 

Anyway, that is essentially my thoughts on this. I think it is a good solution. At least it is a lot better than trying to give the Nexus a bad name by attempting sabotage, joking or otherwise. Feel free to disagree.

 

I love everything about your post.

[TheVampireDante]

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This Section 10 will survive the termination of this Agreement.
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I hereby acknowledge that I have read and understand all the terms and conditions in this Agreement and the Terms of Service and agree that by clicking "Agree", or downloading or installing the Editor I am acknowledging my agreement to be bound by all the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including without limitation the Terms of Service.

 

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 5:45 PM, The Vampire Dante said:

Fallout 4 Creation Kit EULA for reference.

 

 

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Creation Kit™ Editor

End User License Agreement ("EULA")

YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE ENTIRE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT BEFORE DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING OR USING THIS CREATION KIT™ SOFTWARE EDITOR TOOL. THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT CONTAINS IMPORTANT TERMS THAT AFFECT YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS. BY DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING OR USING THE EDITOR, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT, PLEASE DO NOT DOWNLOAD, INSTALL OR USE THE EDITOR.

ZeniMax Media Inc., on behalf of itself and its current and future subsidiaries and affiliates (collectively, "ZeniMax") provides the Editor on a USE AT YOUR OWN RISK basis.

IMPORTANT. THIS CREATION KIT™ SOFTWARE EDITOR TOOL AND RELATED DOCUMENTATION (THE "EDITOR") ARE LICENSED, NOT SOLD TO YOU. BY DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING, COPYING, OR USING THE EDITOR, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO DOWNLOAD, INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE EDITOR.

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For ease of reference, the ZeniMax "Terms of Service" that You agreed to at the time You established Your Account with ZeniMax may be found at: https://bethesda.net/#/termsofservice.

The ZeniMax Terms of Service contain a Dispute Resolution and Arbitration Provision, including a Class Action Waiver, (the "Disputes Provision") that - if You reside in a jurisdiction outside of the EEA/Switzerland/Australia/New Zealand that permits class actions or other collective disputes - affects Your rights under the ZeniMax Terms of Service and this Agreement with respect to disputes You may have with ZeniMax. That Disputes Provision is incorporated into this Agreement by this reference and forms a part of this Agreement as if such provision was fully restated in this Agreement. You may opt out of the binding individual arbitration and class action waiver as provided in the ZeniMax Terms of Service.

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1. LICENSE TO USE THE EDITOR; RESTRICTIONS AND OWNERSHIP

The Editor enables You, the end user ("You"), to create new downloadable user generated content ("Game Mods"), including without limitation customized levels and other ways to adjust the experience of using and playing the ZeniMax computer game with which the Editor is intended for use (the "Product"). The term "Game Mods" includes all parts and elements of a Game Mods, including without limitation themes, music, sound, voices, graphics, artwork animations, video (including but not limited to animation-style videos), content, pictures, characters (and items and attributes associated with characters, including but not limited to character names and likenesses), catch phrases, locations, concepts, structural, landscape and other designs and methods of operation, and all audio visual or other material appearing on or emanating to and/or from the Game Mods, as well as the design and appearance of the Game Mods and each element thereof.

All uses of the Editor are for Your personal non-commercial use.

All Game Mods developed or created by You using the Editor are for non-commercial use solely in connection with the Product, in each case subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

You alone are solely responsible for the Game Mods that You develop or create and may be held liable for Game Mods that You contribute, post, upload or otherwise make available to ZeniMax or third parties.

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C. Restrictions/Reservation of Rights. Except as expressly set forth elsewhere in this Agreement or upon written permission from ZeniMax, or where such act is permissible by law, You may not, in whole or in part: rent, lease, sell, sublicense, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Editor; remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Editor; or attempt in any manner to circumvent any security measures designed to control access to the Editor or any part thereof. Any attempt to do any of the foregoing is a breach of this Agreement and a violation of intellectual property rights in the Editor. The Editor is licensed to You as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer. The Editor is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Editor or copies thereof. If You breach these restrictions, You may be subject to prosecution and damages. The terms of this Agreement will govern any Updates provided by ZeniMax that replace and/or supplement the original Editor, unless such Updates is accompanied by a separate license agreement in which case the terms of that license agreement will govern.

D. No Fees for Use. In exchange for the Editor being provided to you free of charge, You agree that You will not charge or require, directly or indirectly, a fee or other consideration for others to download, install or use Your Game Mods, including without limitation selling, licensing or other commercial distribution or commercial exploitation (e.g., by renting, licensing, sublicensing, leasing, disseminating, uploading, downloading, transmitting, whether on a pay-per-play basis or otherwise) of any Game Mods without the express prior written consent of an authorized representative of ZeniMax. This includes distributing a Game Mods as part of any compilation You and/or other users may create. You further agree not to charge, accept or solicit, directly or indirectly, fees or non-monetary contributions for developing or creating Game Mods, including without limitation fees collected through "crowd funding." However, the foregoing limitations in this Section shall not apply if and to the extent such agreement violates applicable law. You further agree that You are only permitted to distribute the Game Mods to users who have purchased the Product through authorized and legitimate distribution channels, solely for use with such users’ own authorized copies of such Product and in accordance with and subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and all applicable laws.

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F. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that ZeniMax may collect and use technical data and related information, including but not limited to technical information about Your device, system and application software and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software Updates, product support, and other Services (as defined in the Terms of Service) to You (if any) related to the Editor. ZeniMax may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify You to improve it products or to provide Services or technologies to You.

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You understand and agree that ZeniMax does not sponsor or endorse any Game Mods and You may not state or imply otherwise.

If You submit a copy of Your Game Mods to ZeniMax, You agree that ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, make the Game Mods available for download and use by others, including downloads from the ZeniMax Platforms. Game Mods listed in a ZeniMax Platform can be viewed and downloaded by anyone that has received a license from ZeniMax to the Product.

You understand and agree that ZeniMax is not obligated to use, distribute, make available or continue to distribute or make available Your Game Mods on any ZeniMax Platform or otherwise and ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, restrict access to or remove Your Game Mods from any ZeniMax Platform for any reason or no reason at all. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR GAME MODS OR FOR THE REMOVAL OF ANY GAME MODS OR FOR ANY FAILURE TO OR DELAY IN REMOVING, ANY GAME MODS.

In addition, manufacturers of consoles, including without limitation Sony and Microsoft, may refuse to allow individuals to download or use certain Game Mods on the consoles that they manufacture or sell.

You may also elect to remove Game Mods from a ZeniMax Platform. If You do so, ZeniMax will no longer make such Game Mods available on such ZeniMax Platform. Notwithstanding the foregoing You agree that (a) ZeniMax may retain a copy of such Game Mods and ZeniMax is not required to delete or destroy all copies of the Game Mods, (b) ZeniMax retains the other rights and licenses granted by You to ZeniMax in this Agreement with respect to such Game Mods, and © Your removal will not affect the rights of any individual who has already downloaded a copy of the Game Mods from such ZeniMax Platform.

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• Your Game Mods do not violate any applicable contract, law, or regulation;

• Your Game Mods do not transmit, include, promote, or distribute any Trojan horses, viruses, worms, spyware, time bombs, cancelbots or other malware or malicious code that may damage, interfere with, intercept, expropriate or disrupt any software, hardware or service, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), personal information, or confidential or proprietary information;

• Your Game Mods do not collect personally identifiable information, personal information, or aggregated and/or anonymized statistics of other users.

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The Editor is provided "AS IS" and WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON INFRINGEMENT. USE OF THE EDITOR AND ANY GAME MOD IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND YOU ASSUME ALL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE EDITOR ON YOUR MACHINE.

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This Agreement (including the ZeniMax Terms of Service) constitute and contain the entire agreement between You and ZeniMax with respect to the subject matter hereof and supersedes any prior oral or written agreements. This Agreement shall coexist with, and shall not supersede, the ZeniMax Terms of Service. To the extent that the provisions of this Agreement conflict with the provisions of the ZeniMax Terms of Service, and unless expressly indicated otherwise in this Agreement, the conflicting provisions in this Agreement shall control and shall govern. This Section shall survive the termination of this Agreement for any reason. Except as specifically provided in the Disputes Provision, if any part of this Agreement is held invalid or unenforceable, that portion shall be interpreted in a manner consistent with applicable law to reflect, as nearly as possible, the original intentions of such part, and the remaining portions of this Agreement shall remain in full force and effect. The failure of ZeniMax to exercise or enforce any right or provision of this Agreement will not constitute waiver of such right or provision. Any waiver of any provision of this Agreement will be effective only if in a writing signed by ZeniMax. You agree that this Agreement and ZeniMax’s enforcement of this Agreement, are not intended to confer and do not confer any rights or remedies upon any person other than You and ZeniMax.

I hereby acknowledge that I have read and understand all the terms and conditions in this Agreement and the Terms of Service and agree that by clicking "Agree", or downloading or installing the Editor I am acknowledging my agreement to be bound by all the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including without limitation the Terms of Service.

 

 

 

"Subject to Your ownership of the original of Your Game Mods, ZeniMax will be the sole owner of the modifications and derivative works created by ZeniMax of Your Game Mods. For clarity, You agree that You are not entitled to any rights or compensation in connection with the rights granted to ZeniMax in this Agreement, including without limitation the use of Your Game Mods by others."

 

Let me break this down for you... You own your mod, but only in a very limited fashion... and your mod does nothing without the original content.... Your actual, real world legal protections would be nil. The person as recognized by any court who could claim for legal protections would be Zenimax / Bethesda.

 

The reason this boilerplate is written this way is not to protect mod creators but to protect the parent company from the creations of mod creators. I challenge you to take this EULA to any real world IP attorney and get them to tell you anything differently from what I am saying.

 

Again, let me state that I am not pro-thief here. I am pointing out that trying for a real world legal solution will not happen and that we need to get creative to protect your mods in an engaging way for the end user.

[marcmorr6]

It also states in the EULA that Zenimax / Bethesda can do anything they want with your mods without ever having to pay you which could include adding them to the base game itself if the company chooses to without ever having to give recognition or royalty.