Skyrim and Steam WT?

[ApocryphalWord]

I'd rather it be Steam the Origin.

 

I can agree with that sentiment. I'm glad they chose steamworks over Games for Windows Live, that was a travesty in Fallout 3.

[tnu]

Meh those of you whining about Steam ahve never had the displeasure of Games For Windows Live.

[throttlekitty]

Meh those of you whining about Steam ahve never had the displeasure of Games For Windows Live.

Egads, thanks for the reminder. That was an excellent example of how to do everything wrong at once.

[Ghogiel]

You could uninstall GFWL and completely remove it from your system.

[zappa45]

Well I hope all you guys who seem to like having a third party unnecessarily insert themselves between you and your game never have your internet go out when you want to play your game or maybe years from now after you have spent thousands of man hours making mods to alter your game don't go online and find that this game is no longer supported or maybe even steam or behtesda is no longer in business. Sometimes I like to take out that old game (which I paid good money for) and just play it because I just like it even though it is obsolete. Unless you get your games out of steam you will allways be a slave to them and a free sourse of marketing data. Those of you who believe that the data streams from steam to you only are kidding yourselves. Steam uploads whatever they want from your console and never forget that.

[ApocryphalWord]

To address these claims, in order of appearance:

 

-Offline Mode

-I have used the back up utility in steam to store each of my steam games onto either DVDs or my external hard drive, so I won't ever need to download again (should Valve/Steam ever go under).

-Should I, in many years, wish to play one of these games and for some reason not be able to access steam or my own personal back-ups. there are other, less legal means of obtaining old software. I wouldn't feel to bad about it if it really was that outdated and I payed for it already.

-For this last bit I'm not really sure what you're insinuating, but I've never received any advertisements in my email or anything from Steam/Valve. The whole Big Brother comparison you seem to be drawing in this post and one of your prior posts doesn't really make sense to me. A mild, and most certainly the most convenient form of DRM does not a Orwellian dystopia make.

[BarefootWarrior]

Thanks Evilbread for that info. I am not keen on a forced participation with Steam either and want as little as possible to do with them. I appreciate the screen shot and have made changes. Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Megarelix]

It is true that Steam, if it works, stays quite inobtrusive and makes no visible difference in playing the game. Still, if anything may go wrong, it certainly will, and in the last few years with Fallout/NV i encountered some problems. Forcing you to have all files in a non-selectable directory is just a minor annoyance. Having Steam run in the background regardless of whether you need it or not is another. The cheap, mass-market UI adds to the negative impression. On the other hand, centralizing the access to all your games (really: Steam-dependent games) is a minor plus, though.

 

While Steam-izing Skyrim is not enough of a reason for me to give up on Skyrim (I'm just installing my pre-ordered copy now), it certainly is a disappointment. I wish Bethesda did not go that way.

[JimboUK]

I'd rather it be Steam the Origin.

 

Or Securom, Uplay, Starforce, Tages, GFWL, in fact as DRM goes Steam is one of the best.

[zappa45]

--Offline Mode

-I have used the back up utility in steam to store each of my steam games onto either DVDs or my external hard drive, so I won't ever need to download again (should Valve/Steam ever go under).

-Should I, in many years, wish to play one of these games and for some reason not be able to access steam or my own personal back-ups. there are other, less legal means of obtaining old software. I wouldn't feel to bad about it if it really was that outdated and I payed for it already.

 

That's great if you can do that. That would work for me, but I'm not sure if you can play those backed up games without logging onto steam. If you can then that may be the answer. Also you should be aware that steam in itself requires too much personal information and yet again I will say that steam was just majorly hacked, all accounts, passwords,credit card numbers, addresses,etc were all hacked and compromised. My information would not have been hacked and stolen unless I was forced to make a steam account for games which did not need an online component like skyrim,morrowind,etc. there is no reason for online component at all. Third steam uploads data from your computer constantly while you play. They know what you play what your files look like, how long you play, and whatever else they wish to know. Once you agree to let them access your system they can pull out whatever they want from your computer...that is a fact and they use and sell that information as marketing data. You may not receive an e-mail or an advertisement but you are making them money for free therefore you are doing work for them for free, hence slave. Last, I'm not a paranoid freak that sees spooks behind every bush, but I know when I'm being used and exploited. I also don't like it when I'm forced to reveal private info which is then hacked just to play a game that I already paid good money for. If you like steam great and if you can play a backed up game without steam better still but I do mods, a lot of mods, and I like to keep my work and use it sometimes whenever I want and without waiting for a third party to tell me I can. This has happened to me with steam in the past and it will happen again so I dislike them.