The Authoritarian Left

[kvnchrist]

David Pakman is a radio host and Youtuber. I subscribe to his stuff, as I think he makes a lot os sense- definitely progressive, but willing to call out BS when he sees it.

This is a piece on what he sees as the authoritarian tendencies of some people-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUrTMmtHbo

 

I agree with him.

there is an insidious tendency for some to be so caught up in their own virtue, and their own desire to be SEEN as virtuous, threat the narrative becomes a game of one-upmanship about who can call out whom on why their positions deserve labels like "racist", "Sexist", "Bigot" etc.

We live in a largely binary world-our political power often comes down to voting for one party or the other, and that's why we should court and support those who are broadly our ideological peers.

When it gets to the point that someone holding perfectly mainstream, moderate views- that people should be treated fairly and equally regardless of race or gender, (hell, even that a measure of affirmative action is justified in many cases), that the government has a responsibility to help those in need, that armed conflict should be avoided under almost any circumstances- and STILL gets labeled with a pejorative- one that, because of exactly the preceding they find VERY offensive- there is going to be some migration away from "that side" of the equation.

Fore this reason I stick to the term Progressive is largely because there are those on both sides of the political spectrum that consider themselves to be modern day Moses, who think they have the wisdom to lead us all into their own version of a promised land.

Some call them elitists, but I just call them arrogant asses. If you want to recognize them, the first tell tale sign is attacking the freedom of others to speak.

You can't have progress unless laddy-doddy everybody is taken with everybody. That doesn't mean there won't be people who will fight you tooth and nail, but there has to be an open door of opportunity. we've seen what happens when groups of people are left behind in this country.

 

The real issue is that ideology has become a religion in America.There is a veritable "No Mans land" set up by those who in their own intransigence, define any deviation from the prescribed attitudes as being not apart of the whole and as such ridiculed and discarded as not being pure.

I've come across that several times in some of my efforts to bring the same level conscientiousness to political thought that I have done in religious thought and found the same level of hypocrisy and self-righteous indignation on either spectrum.

It seems to me that many who oppose eachother are not trying to bring understanding to anything or anyone, as much as they are enthralled in the ideal of fighting the quote/unquote "GOOD FIGHT" and taking no prisoners because in the end it is the feeling of euphoria of driving the so-called enemy from the field that is desired more than seeing the devastation that has been wrought to that very field which is being fought over.

That field is the feild of ideas and the laws that govern reality there is the Freedom to speak. Those who have the advantage because of numbers or turf seem to think they don't need to respect that reality, until it's too late and they find out the very oxigen that is required for thought is made up of this very freedom and they die the mindless death of the ideologue.

[Harbringe]

I'm seeing the same thing too and I can't even count the times people on this site from the right who have called me socialist/leftist/whatever simply because I think they are full of crap (which they usually are) but in this case I'm forced to say it seems to now happened on the left where people are using tactics to prevent others from speaking and it seems to be getting more authoritarian. Here's a video from a Brexit rally that I found very disturbing. I'll explain why after.

 

 

It may surprise you but its not that they were assaulted that disturbs me , what disturbs me is that as it was happening no one from all those people standing around did anything to stop it , it disturbs me that some girl comes up and tries to rationalize the fact that they were assaulted and it disturbs that the police would just accede to their actions like as if thats whats acceptable at a rally. This is disturbing because it shows a normalization process in action . If that kind of thing becomes nomalized then we are in serious trouble.

[sunshinenbrick]

I'd agree with most of these classifications of authoritarianism however would maybe point out that the political spectrum is irrelevant at this point (if it ever has been).

 

It's a ruse to get people who would otherwise agree with each other, not to, or at least to deflect the issue away from those... in authority.

[kvnchrist]

I'd agree with most of these classifications of authoritarianism however would maybe point out that the political spectrum is irrelevant at this point (if it ever has been).

 

It's a ruse to get people who would otherwise agree with each other, not to, or at least to deflect the issue away from those... in authority.

Control freaks are petty tyrants and these are one's that lean towards the left so much that they deem anything the right has to say is irrelevant. Our country, for a very long time has been saturated by moralist from the right coating the social conscience with vague terms like, "Family Values" and the like. Those who are being discussed here are of the same caliber of tyrant than those moralists were, only they've turned their attention towards left leaning issues and use the term Progressive much the same way as terrorists are using the name of Islam as a cover.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

I'd agree with most of these classifications of authoritarianism however would maybe point out that the political spectrum is irrelevant at this point (if it ever has been).

 

It's a ruse to get people who would otherwise agree with each other, not to, or at least to deflect the issue away from those... in authority.

Control freaks are petty tyrants and these are one's that lean towards the left so much that they deem anything the right has to say is irrelevant. Our country, for a very long time has been saturated by moralist from the right coating the social conscience with vague terms like, "Family Values" and the like. Those who are being discussed here are of the same caliber of tyrant than those moralists were, only they've turned their attention towards left leaning issues and use the term Progressive much the same way as terrorists are using the name of Islam as a cover.

I get that, and so just by exercising speech it does not make you either left or right, it is the authority given towards what is said that actually matters - all governments are centrist in their nature.

 

There is however also a right to say nothing at all (or perhaps to lie) and to not be judged by that. This might be the last hope for the unprivileged libertarian in a world predominant with privileged authorities.

 

Of course things are not as simple as this, for what is one person's garden is another's prison.

[Deleted1205226User]

One image - thousand words?

 

 

http://i2.wp.com/www.technollama.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/spread-anarchy-dont-tell-me-what-to-do.jpg

Edited July 17, 2016 by Guest

[Rethrain]

@Pixelhate

Maybe, but graffiti usually tend to be "clever" or "smart" about things. I think it's a safe bet that the one who wrote in blue was having a laugh, rather than being genuine about a stance.

[JimboUK]

The left in the UK has really nasty element who ape the early Nazi party, they attack political opponents meetings, vandalise their property, assault their members, I may have posted this before but I got this delightful tweet from one of Corbyns supporters http://i.imgur.com/ntQPjzA.png (I won't embed the image because of the language).

 

This is what Nigal Farage had to put up with http://i.imgur.com/LPcXraF.jpg (very strong language), in the end he quit because of threats not only to him but also to his family. Angela Eagle is a Labour MP who decided to run against Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party, it didn't take long for a brick to be put through her office window and for the death threats to start.

[kvnchrist]

The left in the UK has really nasty element who ape the early Nazi party, they attack political opponents meetings, vandalise their property, assault their members, I may have posted this before but I got this delightful tweet from one of Corbyns supporters http://i.imgur.com/ntQPjzA.png (I won't embed the image because of the language).

 

This is what Nigal Farage had to put up with http://i.imgur.com/LPcXraF.jpg (very strong language), in the end he quit because of threats not only to him but also to his family. Angela Eagle is a Labour MP who decided to run against Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party, it didn't take long for a brick to be put through her office window and for the death threats to start.

Is there any way of going after these people? Atleast let their identities become public?

[Harbringe]

The left in the UK has really nasty element who ape the early Nazi party, they attack political opponents meetings, vandalise their property, assault their members, I may have posted this before but I got this delightful tweet from one of Corbyns supporters http://i.imgur.com/ntQPjzA.png (I won't embed the image because of the language).

 

This is what Nigal Farage had to put up with http://i.imgur.com/LPcXraF.jpg (very strong language), in the end he quit because of threats not only to him but also to his family. Angela Eagle is a Labour MP who decided to run against Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party, it didn't take long for a brick to be put through her office window and for the death threats to start.

 

Compare the 2:00 and the 10:00 of the following video and you tell me what is hate speech and what is authoritarrian ,especially from the 10:00 mark onward

 

 

And this is the video that was posted by a german girl , which was banned by the German Govt. The only reason it still exists is some American realized this was likely to happen and decided to use his first amendent rights to say to the German govt "screw you"

 

 

Seriously think about it , this sort of thing is happening all over Europe and its being done by your Gov'ts. This happened in Britain also when the authorities covered up the Rotherham sex scandal by a 10 year child rape network of muslim men.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

 

Someone want to tell me how Europeans can be allowing this to happen , it seems Europe is coming apart at the seems. Your like sheep being led to the slaughter.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Harbringe