I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

[Harbringe]

Ha, a Sargon video. The guy who doesn't even read studies fully and is known to hang out with known neo-nazis and racists.

 

http://fusion.net/story/143613/a-guide-to-debunking-black-on-black-crime-and-all-of-its-rhetorical-cousins/

 

I bet he quoted that known Neo-Nazi meme of "Black commit the most crime" the one that has been thoroughly debunked and the fact it claims are from a place that literally doesn't exist

 

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/23/3724989/trump-tweets-fabricated-murder-stats-from-a-neo-nazi-and-this-is-how-the-media-reported-it/

 

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls

 

No in fact he didn't quote or say anything in the vein of that nonsense your spouting , which tells me you didn't even bother to actually watch what he had to say. But I doubt if thats going to matter.

[kvnchrist]

 

I've got a question. If America was stuck in the middle of Europe instead of being so incolated from the other parts of the world, whould our contry be racist.?

 

I was just thinking that the reason for such attitudes might be because of our being isolated from the rest of the world , for such a long time by the oceans that surround us.

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for it, but I'm trying to understand it, because to me I can't really fathom the attitude.

Spend a few days in the more interesting parts of Chicago, or Detroit. You will have a much better idea of the problem.

 

 

No, when you go up in those areas you see the results of a problem that has never been solved, mostly out of idealism and the clinched hand of power.

[kvnchrist]

Here's a very good explanation of the main factors that is going on with todays circumstance.I highly suggest people watch it.

 

 

@kvnchrist

 

Dude that was a terrible first posting with which to start a thread on a topic of this nature , its not only inaccurate , its likely just to confuse the issue and lead to a trolling thread.

 

I know that wasn't your intention.

 

It was not meant to be fair or accurate. It was meant to be controversial. There are people out there who see these things from the vantage point of being victims. Unless we acknowledge that perspective you will never get through to any of these people. Lets not forget the points of my last posting. Ideology trumps truth to those whose lives are fully invested in it..

 

Everybody who actually looks at the bigger picture will see that the real issue is opportunity, but we need to get past this attitude of victimization by acknowlodging that attitude before any progress can be made. It's like acknowledging a schizophrenics delusion to get him to understand you are there to help instead of argue with you. Otherwise he will ignore you as someone, he sees is ignoring him.

[HeyYou]

So what do you propose? How do we provide opportunity in places where most businesses (and some law enforcement) fear to tread? How do you convince the folks in those areas that we actually ARE trying to improve things? Most of what you get is a lot like what happens in Iraq... During the day, folks kinda/sorta work at whatever project, but, at night, they same people come in and strip the place of anything valuable. There were so many projects that had they been able to be completed, WOULD have made a difference, but, the very people we were trying to help screwed it all up.

 

I suggest, that NOTHING the outside world does in going make the least bit of difference, until the communities themselves step up to the plate, and take responsibility of their own actions, or lack thereof. It's a crappy situation, yeah, but, you can't help folks that would rather play the victim card, than actually have to take responsibility for themselves.

[kvnchrist]

So what do you propose? How do we provide opportunity in places where most businesses (and some law enforcement) fear to tread? How do you convince the folks in those areas that we actually ARE trying to improve things? Most of what you get is a lot like what happens in Iraq... During the day, folks kinda/sorta work at whatever project, but, at night, they same people come in and strip the place of anything valuable. There were so many projects that had they been able to be completed, WOULD have made a difference, but, the very people we were trying to help screwed it all up.

 

I suggest, that NOTHING the outside world does in going make the least bit of difference, until the communities themselves step up to the plate, and take responsibility of their own actions, or lack thereof. It's a crappy situation, yeah, but, you can't help folks that would rather play the victim card, than actually have to take responsibility for themselves.

For Chicago. First place the national guard in the areas that are the worst. Go after the politicans and the law enforcement leaders to do a complete evaluation, including an audit of all financial dealings that are of Federal and state concern.

 

Create a bond with community leaders and make use of building to create community centers that have the public envolved in community policing which will pair policement with civilian observers who are paid to be there and are being trained in law enforcment and police proceedures. As this civilian observer numbers come up you will gradually remove the national gaurd from the places which have abundance of these observers.

 

Then you create a mentoring, tutoring program where college students with the same ethnic heritage beging tutoring programs, as well as retired teachers and bussinessmen'women. These people will have their student loans reduced or eraticated for this and those without these loan will have their personal and hose taxes reduced or eradicated. Also have as many peole from the department of Education brought in to work with these tutors, so they can get practical experience in dealing with the education in poor invironments so they understand what is being dewelt with on ground level. At least they will see what works and what won't.

 

Create tax free zones in which bussiness will have no local or federal taxes assessed to them for a period of 5 years as long as they stay where they are for a period of 10 years. If they leave anytime before that period, then the full weighty of those taxes will be placed on that company and all those taxes will be given for urban reneual programs in these areas. provide low or no interest loans to sart up mom and pop businesses and rescue failing businesses that are going under for no fault of their own..

 

Legalize, regulate and tax low level drugs and prostitution. Offer drug rehabilitation to those hooked on drugs and have programs that will train ex addicts as drug councilors so they will be able to give back to the community.

 

Produce a vast urban renewal program that will demolish old building that have been vacated, only to become drug houses. Fix the roads, the buildings and give the entire area a new look and use local bussinesses contractors and the local citizenry as laborers, paying them a living wage and auditing everything so intensely that fraud, waste and abuse will be almost unheard of. Set up halfway houses for low risk offenders and those recovering from drug addiction to have a controlled environment to assimilate back into society and have them work along side those other workers. Have a portion of their income taken from them to reemburse the instutions that helped them and provide recompense for those they have wronged along the way.

 

Begin a massive move to provide health and mental healthcare for the poor, the young and the elderly and provide nourishing meals to those who need it.

 

Make a massive effort to overhaul the penal system and stop the war on drugs that have put so many in prison for non-violent crime. Change the jails from being a hopeless dead end road to warehouse undesirables and make it into a place like Sweden, in which prisoners are treated like they are human instead of animal.

 

Fix the roads and bridges as well as the ifrastucture and provide mass transit for those who are without vehicals of their own.

 

We invaded Iraq and rebuilt much of that. Why shouldn't we invade Chicago or Detroit and do the same thing?

[sunshinenbrick]

[HeyYou]

National Guard? Seriously? Do you want to start a war?? Do you think the folks that are running those communities now, are going to just roll over, and give up? No. It will be a blood bath, and in the end, you will have made the situation worse.

[kvnchrist]

National Guard? Seriously? Do you want to start a war?? Do you think the folks that are running those communities now, are going to just roll over, and give up? No. It will be a blood bath, and in the end, you will have made the situation worse.

The gangs are running the streets and killing indiscriminately . The community leaders have no power over that. If they did, do you really think there wiould be that much violence there. the national guard would be there to suppress the violence so that everything else I stated could start without them worrying about being attracted.

 

The gangs run the streets because there is no effective response to them. The national guard has been used throughout history to control that which the police force could not, and that is what is happening in Chicago now. Do you really think those gang members what to go up against those who outnumber and outgun them. No, they are there to prosper in more ways than one. These people victimize the community they live in.

[HeyYou]

The national guard would only increase the violence. The community leaders there ARE the gangs....

 

Chicago would end up looking a lot like fallujah.

 

Not to mention it would be Political Suicide for any politician that authorized it.......

Edited July 16, 2016 by HeyYou

[kvnchrist]

The national guard would only increase the violence. The community leaders there ARE the gangs....

 

Chicago would end up looking a lot like fallujah.

 

Not to mention it would be Political Suicide for any politician that authorized it.......

The gangs are not the community leaders. They don't care about the community other than what they can take from it. These are not radicalized idealist. They are people fighting other people such as themselves for the spoils they can take from a public that can't defend against them. You really don't know what's going on up there do you. It is not the public that is armed. It is the gangs that will kill you for speaking out, because they know that they and the police are to only one's armed. They also know that they outgun the police in manpower and firepower.

 

I would care less what a politician thought, since they want to look good by doing as little as possible, instead of taken care of a situation. Chicago has been a corupt city from it's earliest roots and is still that way today.