Google and Evolution of the Internet

[Vagrant0]

https://www.google.com/#q=%22stainless+steel+measuring+cups%22+%2B+%22Made+in+usa%22

 

7th result down links to a reddit page that links to

 

https://www.amazon.com/All-Clad-Stainless-Measuring-Cookware-5-Piece/dp/B0001ACKWU

 

Manufactured by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Clad

 

If that's not good enough for you... Because you erroniously believe that Amazon is owned by Google...

 

The first image in the search links to

http://www.centralrestaurant.com/American-Metalcraft-MCW4-Measuring-Cup-Set-Wire-Handle-Set-Of-Four-1-4-Cup-1-3-Cup-1-2-Cup-1-Cup-c92p107760.html?st-t=google_shopping&gclid=CMGJm4CCx84CFQ-RaQodDpcItg Manufactured by American Metalcraft... An american company who sells directly from their site. http://www.amnow.com/

 

Second image is http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/7078900/?catalogId=13&sku=7078900&cm_ven=Google_PLA&cm_cat=Shopping&cm_pla=default&cm_ite=default&kwid=productads-adid^57526520023-device^c-plaid^73392564639-sku^7078900-adType^PLA&gclid=CIbf0pSDx84CFQaJaQodjcQBzA made by All-Clad mentioned above.

 

None of the sites linked are owned, operated by, or have any meaningful connection with Google beyond maybe advertising space by means of a third party advertising agency who has paid Google to advertise the products offered by their clients.

 

 

And just because you don't seem to understand how a search engine works... http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/search-engine.htm

 

*cough*

 

This is getting rediculous and your psychosis is showing.

 

As for why I'm bothering to spend the effort? Because it is an area of research I probably couldn't have been bothered looking at otherwise. I started out with a similar belief that you did... that Google had a number of shady practices, as evidenced by my initial posts. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, but rather to prove my own pre-conceptions wrong. Because these beliefs like "nothing is made in the USA any more" are ones which are easy to believe when you walk into the local Walmart and see everything made in China. Because it is easy to maintain beliefs of information being kept from you when you only bothered to look that one time. And because, as a person of integrity, I want to be sure that the claims I am making are reasonably valid beyond the scope of my own head.

 

But, of course, you'll just dismiss this whole thing as me just being part of the conspiracy... If only... I hear Google pays pretty well and I havn't seen a single cent.

[TheMastersSon]

https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B0001ACKWU

 

Bzzzzt. Read the first product question on your Amazon site. They're made in China.

[Vagrant0]

https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B0001ACKWU

 

Bzzzzt. Read the first product question on your Amazon site. They're made in China.

I stand corrected.

 

The firm purchases its metals only from United States-based suppliers, including Pennsylvania Steel Company.^[1] In recent years, All-Clad has begun outsourcing some of its manufacturing to factories in China; these include products wherein the bonding of metals is not required (for example, kitchen tools and accessories), products comprising regular non-bonded components, or products for which manufacturing constraints exist at the Canonsburg plant (for example, electrical appliances).^{[citation needed]}

But this isn't too surprising since we're talking about a small company who has had to outsource some aspects of production to China. Aside from a claim from the Sears website however, there isn't much evidence that supports the statement that this particular item is manufactured in China (incase you do not understand the term "bonding of metals" in regards to the manufacturing process of metal cups with a welded handle). Quality and durability of product doesn't mean anything, even things made in America can use cheap materials or shoddy techniques. As I am not located near where this item is allegedly manufactured, I cannot confirm that they are produced there, or as it turns out, prove that what I can confirm is adequate to address your concerns.

 

So here's a third manufacturer.

http://www.williams-sonoma.com/customer-service/about-us.html?cm_type=fnav

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams-Sonoma

Oh wait, they get some of their goods from other countries where the labor is cheaper too. https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-manufacturer-or-distributor-for-William-Sonoma-Where-are-they-based-Do-they-make-their-own-designs-or-choose-from-a-selection-of-products

 

Looks like the sad truth of the matter is that it just isn't practical for American companies to pay someone to stand infront of a stamping and welding machine for $12-15 an hour when they can get a similar product from China for less cost. Sorry. Idealism just doesn't work for the majority of successful businesses. and those who did not switch to outsourced manufacturing failed or was bought out and outsourced anyway. I found a French company who manufactures most their products in Europe... but that's not 'merica.

I could look back at American Metalcraft inc, ask them specifically if they produce anything in China, go and visit their plant to get a tour... But how do I know if they're telling the truth either, afterall they could have other plants, they could buy portions of their materials from Canada, who could buy portions of those materials from China... Or make them on manufacturing equipment produced in China.

 

But I'm sure Google had its hands in the process of encouraging people to buy lower priced goods when more expensive alternatives were available... right? Oh wait... I can see it now, Google is secretly owned by China... It explains everything from how Chinese manufactured products exist in their searches to their OBVIOUS manipulation of information. :rolleyes:

 

Search engines, incase you bothered to actually learn anything in all this are based around human behavior. Every time you click a link within a set of search terms you signal to the search engine that this link being clicked is a more relevant or more favorable result for what the search engine provided you with. Multiply that by millions of queries a day, and you quickly have a system that is based on an aggregate of user interactions to intentionally pick one option instead of others. No surprise here, people click the links that bring them to shopping sites, sites where they can find a product cheaper, and similar... No surprise here, but when it comes to something relatively inconsequential like a set of measuring cups, (most) people don't care where it was manufactured. Even in terms of professional chefs... They usually work through their own distributors and companies who charge significantly more money than the average consumer will pay. I could spend the next 4-6 hours researching these distributors to find one that offers a set of, specifically; stainless steel measuring cups produced in whole in the US by a company who does not outsource manufacturing, but I think we might agree that would be effort that is not worthwhile. Not only is a measuring cup a non-critical piece of equipment, but I'm sure you would then just accuse me of being a paid schill for that company too or fabricating the evidence myself. A fair accusation to be honest, since an expert web developer could quite capably produce a fake site in less time than that... But entirely beside the point. I can think of a large number of other things which are no longer manufactured in the USA for one reason or another (surprise, the companies who pay to advertise or work with sales and distribution websites had a commercial advantage over those companies who did not) (surprise, the companies who outsourced jobs or materials to cut costs are the ones who have lived through the last 20 years of recession)... None of them proving the least bit of anything about the topic at hand.

[RattleAndGrind]

You should speak for yourself instead of the entire site,

I spoke for myself in all but one comment. That being "You have failed to meet the burden of proof necessary to convince us here that your position is valid." I will retract that statement when you can produce a majority here which accept your premise. Until then that statement is both truthful and accurate.

 

As for my age, I am old enough to know that the internet predates cable television by a decade or more, that all radio frequencies (including FM) are and were regulated by the FCC. and that cable TV was and is regulated by the the FCC, I am old enough to remember that short wave radio (ham radio) was the only radio available more the 50 miles from a broadcast tower and that most stations had a larger audience when it was cloudy. I remember when television was just a single station and you bought crystals to tune your radio. I remember when people were afraid to touch a spool or electrical line for fear of electrocution. And I am old enough to know that fear and ignorance produce the most rabid and insane phobias and most are so far from reality that they cannot be seen from there.

 

You should be old enough to know better.

[TheMastersSon]

"Looks like the sad truth of the matter is that it just isn't practical for American companies to pay someone to stand infront of a stamping and welding machine for $12-15 an hour when they can get a similar product from China for less cost."

 

And there it is. Scam complete.

 

The big secret is, our country is filled with companies who still make their own stainless steel measuring cups. You just won't find them using Google, Bing or Yahoo. But nobody will ever have a problem being directed to nine year-old human slaves tethered to workstations for 50 hours every week, and legally unable to migrate from their own country. Excuse me I mean China. It's been the rage since Nixon "opened the gates". This abomination has been successfully pawned off as part of a free market. Best of luck, U.S. businesses, competing with a monolithic government-business alliance of over a billion people. You should see the long-term trade deficit charts if you haven't already, e.g.:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-us-trade-deficit-with-china-2013-4

 

Despite the hostility this thread has been useful imo, because I had just started to forget that nothing whatsoever remains of my former country to be saved. If this was any year prior to 1970 in our country, both Google and Microsoft would have already been forced to divest themselves of their respective monopoly control of a global common carrier utility resource. According to history it's still bound to happen, now that our federal government has begun regulation of internet traffic.

Edited August 17, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[Vagrant0]

"Looks like the sad truth of the matter is that it just isn't practical for American companies to pay someone to stand infront of a stamping and welding machine for $12-15 an hour when they can get a similar product from China for less cost."

 

And there it is. Scam complete.

I'm sorry... Small local manufacturers were not part of the billion dollar bail-out that was approved by Congress to 'save' the auto industry. Small local manufacturers had to decide between outsourcing in whole or in part in order to keep the company afloat and keep as many of their few dozen employees with a job instead of going under or the company being bought out by someone else who would liquidate assets and close down their facilities anyway. Idealism doesn't work in business, American manufacturing is something that has been getting sold and outsourced long before Google even existed. This happened log ago (1970's-1990's) with the signing of trade agreements which allowed jobs to be shipped to Mexico where labor was cheaper. When China's borders were opened to international trade and transportation became more viable those same jobs moved to China... Where the vast majority of things are now manufactured... Including the components found in any computer made or purchased in the last decade. But I'm sure Google was behind that too? Right?

 

It's clear you don't understand that or anything else I have described here, and have no intention of doing so.

[TheMastersSon]

Vagrant, I agree with almost everything in your last post. Except that final part. :smile: Obviously Google aren't responsible for Nixon, but they're most certainly a direct result of him. Prior to Nixon our country lost exactly zero jobs to China and other Communist countries, because they were excluded from participation in the global free market. But as evidenced by this thread, either all or something close to all Americans today are willing to sell out the financial futures of their kids and grandkids for artificially cheap $50 computer monitors.

Edited August 17, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[RattleAndGrind]

There is a world outside of the 48 connected. It is large, diverse and contains approximately 7.4 BILLION people. But it's planetary geographic size and it population are no longer germane. Because the world is now only 13 seconds around. The world is small and getting smaller.

 

Back to those 7.4 BILLION people. Half are poor, hungry and willing to work. It is unfair to blame these people because the American workforce had priced itself out of the world labor market. The consumers want more and more cheaper and cheaper. But these consumers cannot afford a steel mixing bowl that is stamped out in Philadelphia. The labor cost drives the price of that bowl up past the point where the folks that make it cannot afford it. Enter those 7.4 billion who can make the same steel mixing bowl for an eight of the price because the global labor force is happy with $3 an hour instead of $24. So the blame is in the mirror, and not is a Chinese sweat shop.

 

About Americans being their own enemy. Here are some magic numbers.

• Average income worldwide = @ $1800/ month
• Average income in USA = @ $4400/month For a group of just 322,762,018 people. That group is less that 4,4% of the 7.4 Billion.

So please tell me how the governing agencies of 322,762,018 people (4.4% of the worlds population) are able to dictate to the other 7.1 Billion (95.6% of the planets population)? They don't. Statistically, the American government regulates nothing. The majority of the world only laughs or shakes their heads at the hubris of the American people and their inflated opinions of themselves. Americans are the minority in the world; and until they realize that, they are doomed to continue thinking that their wants, needs and desires supplant the wants, needs and desires of the rest of the world.

 

You want to see the problem. Look in the mirror.

[TheMastersSon]

RattleAndGrind, I wish you read half as carefully as you write. I just explained how a free market (i.e. those that recognize individual human and civil rights, including the rights of migration/immigration for its citizens etc) avoided competing with our planet's enslaved market. We simply refused to do business with it. For many decades, and regardless of which political party controlled our White House and Congress. And as mentioned we lost exactly zero jobs to China prior to Nixon, because prior to Nixon our government didn't even recognize China's Communist regime as their legitimate government. In fact many Americans to this day still consider Taiwan's government as China's only legitimate representative.

 

In case other readers are too young to know, Nixon violated existing bans on trade by sending Kissinger (in secret) to Beijing, on behalf of multinational interests and to negotiate the selling out of America's labor force to a government-industry alliance of over a billion people. One of Reagan's primary campaign platforms, again for the benefit of readers who are too young to have suffered through it first-hand, was that "America's workers can compete with anyone's". At the time the debate was whether to force capitalism to compete with socialism, in the form of Japan etc, and the idea of doing the same with Communism was still unthinkable. We have over a half century of writings from U.S. presidents, again from all parties, explaining why there is no such thing as fair trade with Communism. There is only treason to our Constitution.

Edited August 17, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[RattleAndGrind]

RattleAndGrind, I wish you read half as carefully as you write. I just explained how a free market (i.e. those that recognize individual human and civil rights, including the rights of migration/immigration for its citizens etc) avoided competing with our planet's enslaved market. We simply refused to do business with it. For many decades, and regardless of which political party controlled our White House and Congress. And as mentioned we lost exactly zero jobs to China prior to Nixon, because prior to Nixon our government didn't even recognize China's Communist regime as their legitimate government. In fact many Americans to this day still consider Taiwan's government as China's only legitimate representative.

 

In case other readers are too young to know, Nixon violated existing bans on trade by sending Kissinger (in secret) to Beijing, on behalf of multinational interests and to negotiate the selling out of America's labor force to a government-industry alliance of over a billion people. One of Reagan's primary campaign platforms, again for the benefit of readers who are too young to have suffered through it first-hand, was that "America's workers can compete with anyone's". At the time the debate was whether to force capitalism to compete with socialism, in the form of Japan etc, and the idea of doing the same with Communism was still unthinkable. We have over a half century of writings from U.S. presidents, again from all parties, explaining why there is no such thing as fair trade with Communism. There is only treason to our Constitution.

 

Unfortunately, I think slowly, write slowly and generally make a thoughtful response. That my post is behind the current is too bad. It neither invalidates my response nor its conclusions.

 

Nixon did not violate the law. Under the Constitution of the United States Of America, Article 2, Clause 2 - Treaties, the President has the power to initiate treaty talks with the leaders of any sovereign nation. China was and is a sovereign nation and Nixon was the President of The United States.