enderal put bethesda to shame.

[phantompally76]

It seems odd to me that so many people here crap on Bethesda so much, yet almost 5 years later they're still playing Bethesda's product.

 

I realize the go-to response is "Well, it's because of all the mods that we're still playing", yet no one seems to remember that Skyrim won all kinds of Game-of-the-Year awards long before there were mods or a Creation Kit.

 

Sometimes, we (and I'm guilty of this as well) paint a picture that makes unmodded Skyrim seem totally broken and unplayable, and that's just not true. I honestly believe that even if mods never existed, Skyrim would still have a large, active community of players. Sure, it would have bugs, but so did every single Nintendo Entertainment System game ever produced, and we still play those, too.

 

I haven't had the opportunity to download, install or play Enderal yet, but I'm sure it's mind-blowingly fantastic. That said, it's unfair to compare it to the base game for which without Enderal wouldn't even exist. I don't think anyone at Bethesda who worked on Skyrim has anything to be ashamed about. After all, they created one of the most successful video games in history on 3 separate platforms.

Edited August 29, 2016 by phantompally76

[Captainradish]

It seems odd to me that so many people here crap on Bethesda so much, yet almost 5 years later they're still playing Bethesda's product.

 

I realize the go-to response is "Well, it's because of all the mods that we're still playing", yet no one seems to remember that Skyrim won all kinds of Game-of-the-Year awards long before there were mods or a Creation Kit.

 

Sometimes, we (and I'm guilty of this as well) paint a picture that makes unmodded Skyrim seem totally broken and unplayable, and that's just not true. I honestly believe that even if mods never existed, Skyrim would still have a large, active community of players. Sure, it would have bugs, but so did every single Nintendo Entertainment System game ever produced, and we still play those, too.

 

I haven't had the opportunity to download, install or play Enderal yet, but I'm sure it's mind-blowingly fantastic. That said, it's unfair to compare it to the base game for which without Enderal wouldn't even exist. I don't think anyone at Bethesda who worked on Skyrim has anything to be ashamed about. After all, they created one of the most successful video games in history on 3 separate platforms.

I agree fully. Without Skyrim we wouldn't have Enderal. This is the simple fact of it. My top played games (with the exception of Kerbal Space Program and Europa Universalis IV) on Steam all consist of Bethesda products.

[Madzookeeper]

to me anyone going into enderal expecting a skyrim mod is just deluding themselves. i've approached it, as i do any total conversion, as a completely different game, separate from the original. because there's really nothing OF the original in it other than some superficial stuff like "iron sword" or "lavender" or some such.

 

something else to think about, without all of the groundwork from skyrim, how much longer would it have taken to make enderal? would they have even tried if they had to get an engine, make all of the framework for everything, literally start from scratch? without skyrim, enderal (different game as it is) could not exist. and has already been said, the purpose of the two is completely different as well. skyrim is about a world, enderal is about a specific story in a world. not apples to apples as far as comparisons go.

[woodsman30]

really they put bethesda to shame so much more depth and story.

this shows that tailored game story worth so much more then "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.

 

well done sureAI :thumbsup:

With out Bethesda Enderal would not be here so I don't understand that statement? Skyrim was never meant to be a focused game it is open world where you decide what you want to be. I hear so much complaining about Skyrim but never seen any of the complainers make games do you have published games? Do you have a fan base in the millions and or sold Millions of games? Do you have entire boards dedicated to your work the nexus alone has over 40,000 mods for it? If so please leave us a link to your games.

[Boombro]

 

this shows that tailored game story worth so much more then "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.

 

While beth were never great writers, skyrim is bigger and quests are more spread out, had a deadline, guidelines to follow, had to approved etc etc.

 

And sorry what does even ( "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.) even means, enderal is smaller so it easier to write for in depth. For skyrim to reach the same depth, it needs years to fill every corner with worthy long quests. Games that are as big as skyrim are even emptier since they are not as detailed (spawns npcs randomly.)

 

 

 

 

I hear so much complaining about Skyrim but never seen any of the complainers make games do you have published games? Do you have a fan base in the millions and or sold Millions of games? Do you have entire boards dedicated to your work the nexus alone has over 40,000 mods for it?

Ffs. Stop using that augment (you made nothing like it, so you should say nothing about how____ it is.)

 

How does this even work, I can't point say something is bad even though it clearly is cus i never made anything like it? If i let you play superman n64 and you said this is a bad game (it is the worst game ever made) you are wrong cus you never made a game? What about bad movies, songs, books, clothes etc?

 

And it only ever used when bad stuff are talked about. See:

 

And those who praise a game, i dont see that they have published games. Do they even have a fan base in the millions and or sold Millions of games? Do they have entire boards dedicated to your work the nexus alone has over 40,000 mods for it? How can they tell a game is good, if they never made one before?

 

 

Feels odd no?

[woodsman30]

 

 

this shows that tailored game story worth so much more then "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.

 

While beth were never great writers, skyrim is bigger and quests are more spread out, had a deadline, guidelines to follow, had to approved etc etc.

 

And sorry what does even ( "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.) even means, enderal is smaller so it easier to write for in depth. For skyrim to reach the same depth, it needs years to fill every corner with worthy long quests. Games that are as big as skyrim are even emptier since they are not as detailed (spawns npcs randomly.)

 

 

 

 

I hear so much complaining about Skyrim but never seen any of the complainers make games do you have published games? Do you have a fan base in the millions and or sold Millions of games? Do you have entire boards dedicated to your work the nexus alone has over 40,000 mods for it?

Ffs. Stop using that augment (you made nothing like it, so you should say nothing about how____ it is.)

 

How does this even work, I can't point say something is bad even though it clearly is cus i never made anything like it? If i let you play superman n64 and you said this is a bad game (it is the worst game ever made) you are wrong cus you never made a game? What about bad movies, songs, books, clothes etc?

 

And it only ever used when bad stuff are talked about. See:

 

And those who praise a game, i dont see that they have published games. Do they even have a fan base in the millions and or sold Millions of games? Do they have entire boards dedicated to your work the nexus alone has over 40,000 mods for it? How can they tell a game is good, if they never made one before?

 

 

Feels odd no?

 

Perhaps you missed the point of what I don't understand about complaints and it is understandable. I shall make it brief and simple... if Skyrim sucks so bad why play it? ..better?

Much like any product if I don't like it I don't use it is simple right?

As far as feeling odd lets see.. if someone dislikes a product and continues to use it and complains of all the short coming it has but still uses it makes them a hypocrite (person whose actions belie stated beliefs) right?

So who feels odd?

[Zenahk]

Bhruce Hammar's "well, i don't really care that much about anyone in Skyrim" pretty well highlights one of the big shortcomings in Skyrim's storytelling. Then, Fallout 4 overdid it and pigeonholed us into a shallow role that became old and boring within a month. I think i prefer the evils of skyrim, at least for Elder Scrolls we can put in mods that add actual depth without having to have the static vault survivor story hanging over our heads.

 

Meh. Rambling, kinda/sorta off topic. Give or take.

 

Also, Enderal wins. Enderal always wins.

[Wouter445]

It seems odd to me that so many people here crap on Bethesda so much, yet almost 5 years later they're still playing Bethesda's product.

 

I realize the go-to response is "Well, it's because of all the mods that we're still playing", yet no one seems to remember that Skyrim won all kinds of Game-of-the-Year awards long before there were mods or a Creation Kit.

 

Sometimes, we (and I'm guilty of this as well) paint a picture that makes unmodded Skyrim seem totally broken and unplayable, and that's just not true. I honestly believe that even if mods never existed, Skyrim would still have a large, active community of players. Sure, it would have bugs, but so did every single Nintendo Entertainment System game ever produced, and we still play those, too.

 

I haven't had the opportunity to download, install or play Enderal yet, but I'm sure it's mind-blowingly fantastic. That said, it's unfair to compare it to the base game for which without Enderal wouldn't even exist. I don't think anyone at Bethesda who worked on Skyrim has anything to be ashamed about. After all, they created one of the most successful video games in history on 3 separate platforms.

 

Their are many thing a really dislike about skyrim which was not present in

 

First it have a pc goal, I know some people like the sandbox style but I think it just leads towards nothing fine example no man sky, miljoen planet no reason to exist.

 

Second the whole leveling system suxs in skyrim you can be basic a Mage or successful warrior.

 

All the dungeons are the same undeath. Nothing memorial.

 

No special places, childish story, it's just a stupid game without mods.

[twiztedmongoloid]

 

It seems odd to me that so many people here crap on Bethesda so much, yet almost 5 years later they're still playing Bethesda's product.

 

I realize the go-to response is "Well, it's because of all the mods that we're still playing", yet no one seems to remember that Skyrim won all kinds of Game-of-the-Year awards long before there were mods or a Creation Kit.

 

Sometimes, we (and I'm guilty of this as well) paint a picture that makes unmodded Skyrim seem totally broken and unplayable, and that's just not true. I honestly believe that even if mods never existed, Skyrim would still have a large, active community of players. Sure, it would have bugs, but so did every single Nintendo Entertainment System game ever produced, and we still play those, too.

 

I haven't had the opportunity to download, install or play Enderal yet, but I'm sure it's mind-blowingly fantastic. That said, it's unfair to compare it to the base game for which without Enderal wouldn't even exist. I don't think anyone at Bethesda who worked on Skyrim has anything to be ashamed about. After all, they created one of the most successful video games in history on 3 separate platforms.

Their are many thing a really dislike about skyrim which was not present in

 

First it have a pc goal, I know some people like the sandbox style but I think it just leads towards nothing fine example no man sky, miljoen planet no reason to exist.

 

Second the whole leveling system suxs in skyrim you can be basic a Mage or successful warrior.

 

All the dungeons are the same undeath. Nothing memorial.

 

No special places, childish story, it's just a stupid game without mods.

 

 

 

He isnt saying it doesnt have flaws. Hes saying its ironic that people hate on it so much yet it still has a huuuge community almost 6 years later.

 

I think the "vanilla" game gets hated on a lot because of mods...

 

Mods expose all of skyrims flaws. After playing with mods it makes the vanilla game seem horrible and unplayable.

 

Fact is tho bethesda did a LOT RIGHT.

[skyquest32]

 

And Enderal? Not to take away any of the faults of vanilla Skyrim, but it's like comparing Lovecraft and Karl May novels. The former, for all his influence, I never read so much. The latter, I wouldn't dare say there's a lot of depth there, but I cherish the memories of getting up early in the morning so as to read them when I was a child.

 

 

 

 

Lovecraft...ah, I wrote essays on his work as a child, I was so captivated. The phenomenon of his influence on good media, good art...to this day is amazing. He was a great man no matter how misunderstood by his imitators.

 

I think, on a deep level, the sentiment of some of his metaphors rings true to people on a base level, though some would be loath to admit it.

 

Lovecraft was a atheist when it came to conventional views of religion and wrote as he did. A logical and reasonable man. He was a atheist but did not make a religion out of atheism, becoming just another fool.

 

He could still think for himself you see. He did not assume overly much, or look at things out of context. Some of his work not directly related to his mythos also made me smile. The cats of ulthar for one. What a wonderful story and moral.

Edited September 5, 2016 by skyquest32