enderal put bethesda to shame.

[Boombro]

 

 

Perhaps you missed the point of what I don't understand about complaints and it is understandable. I shall make it brief and simple... if Skyrim sucks so bad why play it? ..better?

Very understand, but very simple to answer: mods.

 

For example, many hate the fact it easy to play, slap Requiem on it.

 

Quests to boring? Armors and clothing to ugly? Rewards are s#*!? Boring npcs? Bad hud? Game to ugly? Doesn't run well? Not enough flora? Towns to small? Mounts useless? Hate the start?

 

Everything one hates about Skyrim can be modded. There is legit people who hate beth works, but buy the games to mold them into the games they want to play instead when the games on sale. They are not buying skyrim, they are buying whatever they mod the game too, and the mod lists are heavy. That why on steam you find people who down vote the game, but have 10000 hours on it. They are simply not playing skyrim, they are playing something very different.

 

 

That why skyrim is a top sealer along side play time and do what you want, not because great writing, game-play, port etc, it because it the best game to mod right now. And there is also no games like that. How many games that are open world like Skyrim, have many quests and you can mod them whatever you want?

 

All it takes is a better dev to make something like that but better writing, port and gameplay with mod-ability for TES games to fall the ranks of top selling games, but that is freaking hard to make and costs so much time and cash and that why hardly anyone bothers to do so.

 

 

 

 

I think the "vanilla" game gets hated on a lot because of mods...

I strongly agree that many start to get so upset with beth cus mods and one can easily see that. Like why gameplay does not carter to realism for example and other stuff. But you have to admit, base skyrim is not that great.

 

The port is meh at most, writing is not great, leveled list are meh, items that are meant to be powerful are a joke, there is plot holes, the perks are not all that great and boring (more dmg.), gameplay is meh (not the fact it not hard, it just not really that good.) animations ok, npcs are boring, factions quests are 50/50 in terms of quality, end game is not amazing or rewarding, and it rp value is not that great compared to other CRPG.

 

Honestly, skyrim is an average game. Don't get me wrong, it a feat to make a game like that and it has pros. But it still average.

[Deleted82156User]

As brilliant as Enderal is, the fact is that Bethesda built Skyrim from the ground up. Enderal was built upon what Bethesda already built so I don't think that it is fair to say, as I so often hear ....'this mod or overhaul etc puts Bethesda to shame and shows Bethesda how it should have been done.'

Edited September 6, 2016 by Guest

[skyquest32]

Mod-maker: We can rebuild it, we have the technology.

[Skybroom]

really they put bethesda to shame so much more depth and story.

this shows that tailored game story worth so much more then "so" called open world concept which is total empty in skyrim.

 

well done sureAI :thumbsup:

Honestly, I think this thread is nothing but advertising. Yet I'll say a word. I don't know how is it possible for a person who played Skyrim to compare it with Enderal. If somebody tell me he didn't get sick when walking through the initial quest ("Fine day in summer" I guess), I would not believe him, cuz it's awfully BANAL. Oh, I guess, I know where've you found a "depth". It's a Goya's "Saturn devouring his son" on the wall in that bloody lodge, right?

 

Sorry, if I sound rude. But it's pritty abusively to use the word "depth" meaning Enderal, and "empty world" meaning Skyrim.

[phantompally76]

It still blows my mind. All that hate for Bethesda, whose product, along with Rocksteady Studios' Arkham City, virtually swept all the gaming awards in 2011. If vanilla Skyrim was anywhere near as terrible as the lowest denominator is trying to make it out to be, then it would have been critically panned, it wouldn't have sold over 20 million copies on 3 platforms, and no one would have ever made a total conversion for it.

It's certainly ok, and totally fair, to point out all the flaws in the vanilla Skyrim engine (which are copious), but despite those flaws, Skyrim was and continues to be a global cultural phenomenon. While I still haven't had a chance to play it, I'm sure Enderal is as terrific as all the fanbois are saying it is. However, no matter how great Enderal may be, will never be a global cultural phenomenon, it won't win any Game-of-the-Year awards, and it will never sell 20 million copies. Whether anyone likes it or not, It will always be a mod for the global cultural phenomenon known as Skyrim.

[twiztedmongoloid]

 

 

 

I think the "vanilla" game gets hated on a lot because of mods...

I strongly agree that many start to get so upset with beth cus mods and one can easily see that. Like why gameplay does not carter to realism for example and other stuff. But you have to admit, base skyrim is not that great.

 

The port is meh at most, writing is not great, leveled list are meh, items that are meant to be powerful are a joke, there is plot holes, the perks are not all that great and boring (more dmg.), gameplay is meh (not the fact it not hard, it just not really that good.) animations ok, npcs are boring, factions quests are 50/50 in terms of quality, end game is not amazing or rewarding, and it rp value is not that great compared to other CRPG.

 

Honestly, skyrim is an average game. Don't get me wrong, it a feat to make a game like that and it has pros. But it still average.

 

I mostly agree with you lol. I wouldnt call it average tho. Flaws? absolutely? Buggy? absolutely. Dated crappy engine? Absolutely. Are the graphics pretty bad in the vanilla game? absolutely

 

But its success and fun factor cannot be denied. Something that successful cant be considered just average. The reason why its still popular today tho is most definitely MODS.

 

[cloud1234]

What a rush, I read whole thing, comparing a modification to a game. Is just me but that Not Quite Right. The game should win. If it loses, that means Enderal is crap too, since it built on the foundation of crappy Game. How can Skyrim be crap, but Enderal is Good! Rather say I like story better, but it your opinion, like what I just wrote.

And we all what a opinion is worth.

 

Look the sky is P!NK, no you won't change my mind, it just my OPINION that the sky is P!NK. :wallbash:

 

:dance: :tongue: :yes: :whistling:

[Boombro]

 

 

 

 

 

But its success and fun factor cannot be denied. Something that successful cant be considered just average.

 

You can be right, but shitty games can still sell a ton. Look at CoD, life is strange (writing is s#*!.) and many other examples.

 

Today games doesn't need to be even good to sell a ton, it just need to fill hole that is not filled, have something that carter to a taste or want, have a gimmick. Look at dark souls and how rewarding it is, ark where you can ride dinos, skyrim and mods and f*#@ around ability, PoE a CRPG etc.

 

I wonder what will happen if another better dev tired for the same type of game, I want to see it happen. Will TES sink, since another game is doing everything better (gameplay, story, port etc.) or will it stay, but smaller?

[woodsman30]

In the end it boils down to taste I like Skyrim. I like all the mods available and all the dynamics that can be added or change due to mods and the modders who are awesome! Bethesda gave us a game but also gave us the tools to do as we wanted. That is like buying a car and the dealer gives you the tools and a garage to fix it for free sounds like a bargain. For a game that came out in 2011 it still kicks butt and will remain as one of my all time favorites no matter what anybody says period. :laugh:

[Wouter445]

now a question, if skyrim was like dragon age very hard to mod how would you rate it then?. i bet it would have died in 2 years time like DA:I have.

only thing they did right is the mod ability of the engine, also likely the reason they keep sticking on it.