Why does everybody hate console players?

[Matth85]

One thing: about everyone complaining about poor texture quality, don't buy the game then

Your argument against us complaining the console is dropping the ball on texture, is to not buy the game? ... WHAT?

Yeah, sure. I would totally not buy the game I've been waiting on since Oblivion. I would not get hyped up from the textures in the trailer, that was grinded down to fit a machine as good as my toaster.

 

Also, another reason why people don't play on the PC? It's expensive. Not everyone can dish out $1500+ for a computer which can only run better than other computers on a handful of games

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1 computer lasts me 10 years, always being able to play games at a good setting. At worse I need to upgrade 1 piece each 5th year. I believe that is the same cost console players pay for consoles every time they are released, and all the money that goes into online and batteries.

 

people are getting dumber

Dumber, perhaps. Though I believe people are more lazy now, and can't stand long complicated games. Though a limited controller and a bad hardware does NOT help the cause.

 

 

No, not really. Just that the development of video games has slowed since the last decade (the 90-2000's jump in terms of computer games was just massive).

The gaming industry is a harsh one. Now add piracy and failed games.

I will point towards consoles here. We get crappy console port. We get steam. The only reason I bought this game, is because I know if Bethesda does not get money - they need to drop out. I wouldn' blame anybody for getting it illegal - as the game itself isn't amazing. It needs mods to fix the graphic, a bugged UI and certain other things.

 

And for everybody going "Blame the developer!". You do realize that the developer does what PEOPLE want? Why point at the edge of the problem, when we can confront the center of it?

 

We gain nothing by consoles. Build a PC, and change 1 piece every few years. You now got a top computer for cheaper than a console. Suddently games get ten times quality, for no more work. That should lower the piracy, and make everything better. There would be no need to own 3 consoles to play all the games out there.

 

I have yet to see anybody have ONE good argument for consoles.

"Cost"? - The console gets outdated in a year, forcing everybody down with it. You could easily have bought 1 PC and build on it each year, same price and always top notch.

"Harder"? - Not for anybody. Controllers are harder for certain people, the older people grew up with the first computers and the children learn PC before they learn to talk.

"It's the developers fault!" - They do what maximise profit. Which leads right back to the users.

 

Bleh, I feel I am repeating myself here.

 

P.S. I got a bigger hate for consoles than the players. However, it seem nobody can defend console. They all just point in random directions.

[Kravick]

Also, another reason why people don't play on the PC? It's expensive. Not everyone can dish out $1500+ for a computer which can only run better than other computers on a handful of games. Everytime I hear people whine about 'my computer being stronger than the consoles', I just bang at my head on the absurdity of their argument. Hence, why you never buy a computer over $1500!

 

Yeah I can tell you don't have any idea what you're talking about. A PC that can run all games on the market currently at MAXIMUM SETTINGS with processing power to spare will set you back, AT MOST, $700, and that includes the cost of the monitor. XBox and PS3 both cost at least that much when they first came out, and both companies were selling them at a loss knowing they'd make their money back through selling games. The only PCs that will cost $1500 are shitty Alienware computers. If you buy one of those you deserve to have your money flushed down the toilet.

[DeadSpace]

One thing: about everyone complaining about poor texture quality, don't buy the game then. Nobody has an obligation to make you happy: there are plenty of other so-called 'hated' console players who would be serviced instead. Stop looking at yourself only, and be happy that you even have a computer which is, what, $2000? Nobody told you to buy such an expensive computer, nobody told you to buy x game, NOBODY

 

see below...$2k? where do you shop?

 

.Also, another reason why people don't play on the PC? It's expensive. Not everyone can dish out $1500+ for a computer which can only run better than other computers on a handful of games. Everytime I hear people whine about 'my computer being stronger than the consoles', I just bang at my head on the absurdity of their argument. Hence, why you never buy a computer over $1500!

 

dropped it to $1500...once again see below...and i gotta ask where you shop O.o and my rig wasn't even close to $1500...and still blows the doors off any console.

 

people are getting dumber

 

No, not really. Just that the development of video games has slowed since the last decade (the 90-2000's jump in terms of computer games was just massive).

 

I'm picking on Bethesda at the moment, but they're not the only company that does this. I think what's at the heart of it all is that game developers think console players are dumb, so by and large they make stupid games that your average monkey could figure out and enjoy. And then they figure "Well, we better make a craptacular PC port of this to shut those guys up and take their moneyz."

 

1. Name me 5 companies which aren't doing what Bethesda's doing.

Blizzard, lucasarts, bioware, egosoft, meridian 4, silent dreams, and dozens of mmo companies

2. Speculation does not equate to facts in real life: if you allow me to speculate, console players are, quite on the contrary, smarter than PC gamers. Why?

a). PC gamers invest considerable amounts of money to there computer (usually). The more they invest, the more they will actually play it (logic dictates that, why would you want to spend $5000 for 10 minutes a day?).

b). By playing more, their emotional and social skills do not develop as much as console gamers. What's more prevalent in the field of 'hardcore gaming', PC or consoles? I think we know what the answer is.

 

just :facepalm: smarter? pc users have to deal with their OS, the hardware, the drivers, other software on their systems besides games, etc, etc, etc....consoles players push a button, then hold a controller and push more pre-designated buttons...yeah, that requires oodles of IQ. social interaction> forums, in game chat, in game team speak (aka ts) mmo interaction, chatrooms, facebook (those that are on it) even as much as i hate to say it...steam. so your 'facts' and 'logic' kinda bit the big one there.

 

3. I'm on a 3 year old computer which costed $1000, and the game's fine on my end.

 

4. Excluding RTS', name me 5 games which are more complex than Skyrim.

almost any mmo, request a list and i'll give you one, this post is long enough as is, ~>other standalones, two worlds 2, gothic 4, deus ex: hr, crysis 2, and here's an evil kicker...X3: terran conflict a game much older than skyrim...another? hellgate: london (there was a standalone version dx10) even the current mmo of hg:l is more complex.

 

There's also the fact that the consoles are 6 years old pieces of hardware....imagine if Skyrim was designed for CURRENT hardware how fantastic it would be.

 

Yeah, if it was like that, most people wouldn't even be able to play it then.If I offended anybody, that was not my intention. My intention is to reveal the fallacy, incongruity and hypocritical nature of (I am being frank here) quite a lot of people here.

 

i'd be able to play it

you should really research and get your facts straight before accusing others. below is a build i threw together in about 10 minutes, it would run skyrim most likely at ultra, and with added hd texture and ini tweaks for shadows and water map size improvements.

 

the system

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903 processor AMD dual core 3.0GHz

61.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176 motherboard read details

59.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148698 hard drive SATA II 160GB

74.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148420 memory 8GB (2x4GB) Crucial

39.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811164040 case you need one any box will do

26.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134121 video card gt 430 1GB

57.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152035 power supply Raidmax 630watt modular

46.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136240 optical drive meh, you need one, doesn't have to be special

16.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254061 monitor read details

89.99

 

 

Total $474.92 add MS windows 7 home premium 64-bit $574.91

 

uh...yeah...good gaming rig is soooo expensive. while it might have to reduce some settings for made for pc games, console ports it wouldn't have a problem

Edited December 18, 2011 by DeadSpace

[abaris]

@deadspace.

 

Your system looks fine, but why the hell would you fork out 74 for a 160 GB hard drive. For the same money you get 1 TB.

[Arcadiast]

once upon a time, on a Planet called Earth not so far away, there were two "gaming" Platforms.

 

One of these gaming Platforms was called a PC. It was a somewhat complex machine that required sometimes considerable effort and expenses to run. Therefore it was mainly used by People who liked complexity and were ready to spent countless hours and lots of their hard earned Money for it. The games made for this machine mirrored somewhat these attributes. They were somewhat complex, huge and needed sometimes long hours to be learnt to play properly. Those games were called "Simulations, Role-Playing-Games, Strategy" just to name a few. People knew, for a complex machine, these games did fit well. All was well!

 

The other gaming Platforms were called Consoles. They were somewhat simple and easy to use machines and they did not require much expense in Money or Time. Therefore it was used mainly by People who would like to have "instant" Fun for a while without needing to spent to much effort into it. The games made for this machines reflected those characteristics. They were somewhat colorful, funny, easy to learn and easy to play just as People wanted it. Some of these Games were called "Jump'n Run, Beat'm Up, Arcade Shooters". People knew, for a affordable, easy to use and easy to play machine, these Games made perfect sense. All was well!

 

Then, dark clouds gathered above the sky and a figure appeared who kept itself in the shadows. It whispered into the ears of Gamers treacherous words of discord. It breathed into the souls of those who had a Console and were happy with it "You should be unhappy, look at the PC Gamers, they have Games you don´t get because you are just a Console Player, because you cant afford it, you should ask for your rights, if you cant have PC and its games than nobody should". At first there was no sign of disharmony but in time the poisonous words of the shadowy agent tainted the soil on which gamers lived in peace and respect for so long, in which creativity, innovation and pleasure has nearly grown to Tree of Art with ripe fruits. Now it was all foul. The stench of decay was rising high in the air attracting vultures from all directions to feast on the carcasses of the fallen.

 

At last, the dark agent and its minions were rubbing their hands and savoring their meal to come while the gamers were fighting among themselves, trying fixing something that was not broke. It was clear, that no matter the outcome all but the dark lord himself had lost.

[R3ignlasting]

I play xbox, and I don't ask for things. It would be nice to have everything you guys have, but I don't need that, and I'm sure lots of others don't either. Lots of people are probably pissed that even the xbox players will get the skyrim dlc before they will. But hey, not our fault, you get what you pay for. I have no problem towards the PC players, but I do have a problem with the ps3 players. The playstation version is so f***ed up that THEY are the ones making the game progress slower for us all. Sure, xbox has problems, and we have to get the game at the same time so it may take longer, but we are like the PC in many ways, clearly. The PC is for gaming, internet, ect. Xbox is too. Ps3? Nah. Not starting a console war here, but taking the time to make this paragraph as it seems on my screen writing this, I think that's the reason PC players 'hate' console players, which I'm sure they don't and do because some people are hypocrites.

[TheReverendTholomewPlague]

I play xbox, and I don't ask for things. It would be nice to have everything you guys have, but I don't need that, and I'm sure lots of others don't either. Lots of people are probably pissed that even the xbox players will get the skyrim dlc before they will. But hey, not our fault, you get what you pay for. I have no problem towards the PC players, but I do have a problem with the ps3 players. The playstation version is so f***ed up that THEY are the ones making the game progress slower for us all. Sure, xbox has problems, and we have to get the game at the same time so it may take longer, but we are like the PC in many ways, clearly. The PC is for gaming, internet, ect. Xbox is too. Ps3? Nah. Not starting a console war here, but taking the time to make this paragraph as it seems on my screen writing this, I think that's the reason PC players 'hate' console players, which I'm sure they don't and do because some people are hypocrites.

 

And at what point did you pay more than PC gamers in order to get more?

 

If anything, we paid more.

 

:psyduck:

[abaris]

 

I think that's the reason PC players 'hate' console players, which I'm sure they don't and do because some people are hypocrites.

 

 

First, to stress it again, no hate for the players but for the medium.

 

Consoles have done a great job of lowering the bar. Because of their demographic and the companies getting away with providing less and less for more money. These past three years one could observe a tremendeous amount of so called streamlining. No need to invest time in state of the art graphics. No need to create a responsive environment because they assume that console players just want action and instant gratification. So there's a tremendeous amount of jump and run games, of shooters that disguise themselves as RPGs.

 

It's all about the lowest common denominator.

[mabus4444]

Re the question about why "everyone" hates console players. A few issues;

 

A lot of people who are not tech savvy, can easily use consoles to play games, then when they get stuck they come online and ask newbie-like questions. Nothing wrong with that at all of course, but, it gives the entire "community" the veneer of being unknowledgeable about computers. It's pretty much the same the same stigma AOLers suffered.

 

Add to that, the fact that a lot of companies make games for consoles, and don't make the same games for the PC, giving the feeling among some PC gamers that console users are hurting the PC gaming community. Look at EA Sports for example, they've stopped making games like the NHL line for the PC citing piracy concerns. That sort of thing causes a backlash unfortunately.

 

I guess those are the two main things which contribute to the negativity. Personally I say, use whatever gaming device you can to play whatever games you want :)

[nosisab]

About that part "you get what you pay for" bloody highlighted above, there is a strange phenomenon indeed (at least here in my country), the same title the console version costs twice. In the end I question if the console is at all cheaper than the PC in the medium/long run.

 

Piracy is not a reason to justify many of measures taken by the industry, which are ostensibly designed to bind the regular consumer. One could argue each version could have specific designed UI to better fit the platform but will not be, neither for technical reasons nor for development cost but for marketing reasons (the industry do not want migration of console players toward PC), reread that statement about title price at the post beginning.

 

On the other hand, there is no "actual" reason the console could not have keyboard+mice input but again the goal is to highlight differences, convergence is a forbidden word in this segment. Consoles do and will do highlight differences ever, mainly in the form of fancy input devices.

 

All in all, this is not the better environment to develop a game targeting PC and console niches, when it is done one side will lose and the experience has shown the PC side is the chosen one for defeat from start.

 

Still, the UI (although significant) is not where the game loses more, for previously PC only developed games, the loss in the overall quality (I mean the complexity of story, quality of quests and so on) is evident. The PC version feel like designed for console, surprise!

 

So this thread's title should not be about hating console players, not even hating console games... least the PC titles migrating toward console the better of both worlds, but since it is happening at increasingly rate it is what is to loath. The real problem comes in form of marketing goals and interests (which aren't the interests of the consumer/player).

 

Misguided, mistaken and prejudiced are those who confuses the effects and point the wrong "causes".