The Sunday discussion - Chesko

[Calzien]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

[AKcelsior]

In response to post #44140765. #44143535, #44156710, #44174730 are all replies on the same post.

bigbull_21 wrote: Am I the only one who thought "Oh F NO they banned Chesko!?!?!?!" when they saw the headline "Sunday discussion-Chesko"

Very relieved to see that wasn't the case!

TheInquizitor wrote: You are probably the only one. What in the world made you come to that conclusion?

LuDux wrote: Hey, they banned Trainwiz once, it could happen.

bigbull_21 wrote: I've been a member here since '06, believe me the Nexus can sometimes be like Cobra Kai- No mercy, sweep the leg, put him in a body bag Johnny!.

But they are also very understanding. If you have no strikes against you, Dark0ne will actually go out of his way to fulfill reasonable requests personally.

I've never seen them ban someone that didn't break the TOS contract they originally signed, and many banned members have been given a second chance. They are far more merciful than most online communities. Edited November 7, 2016 by AKcelsior

[Leros]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895, #44190425 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

SamusKnight2K wrote: Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

What fiasco, the whining of kids that feel entitled to other peoples work?

No modder supporting paid mods did anything wrong. It did not work out, be glad, shut up and move on.

Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry.

[aaltair03]

Having this as a podcast would be neat :)

[Kanori24]

"Start small" I know. I'll probably never mod anything worthy of sharing, but by modding the properties of weapons, armors and items, and by tinkering with my character's body textures to get the complexion or detail I want, I have learned a little bit about what makes these games tick. I've already gotten the itch to learn how to build a player home, but that's probably still out of my league. But modders such as Cyndall have certainly inspired me to give it a shot.

[rikai89]

Great interview. It's hard to get a true grasp of the camaraderie within the modding community without actually talking to everyone here, but I think I can begin to understand how this amazing community got to be what it is.

Chesko, I raise my glass to you. May the Nexus prosper for years to come!

[Ethreon]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895, #44190425, #44192060 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

SamusKnight2K wrote: Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

Leros wrote: What fiasco, the whining of kids that feel entitled to other peoples work?

No modder supporting paid mods did anything wrong. It did not work out, be glad, shut up and move on.

Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry.

Hope you'll enjoy seeing the paid mods return. Cause they will.

[CaptainCockerel]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895, #44190425, #44192060, #44197925 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

SamusKnight2K wrote: Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

Leros wrote: What fiasco, the whining of kids that feel entitled to other peoples work?

No modder supporting paid mods did anything wrong. It did not work out, be glad, shut up and move on.

Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry.

Ethreon wrote: Hope you'll enjoy seeing the paid mods return. Cause they will.

'I don't like X opinion, so it's whining.'

Leros, people can 'whine' or complain about what they want. If they weren't allowed, how would they express their opinions? By talking to themselves? By muttering under their breath? You are doing the same right now, but no one else can because it doesn't aline with your own views? Ok then.

It was a bad idea as it was truly built out of corporate greed. It was an attempt to profit off the work of their user base, while watching some extra revenue roll in for doing absolutely nothing; basically, it's YouTube content ID. It's easy to work out why you should have never been a part of it from the very start. Edited November 7, 2016 by SparrowPrince

[CarBENbased]

In response to post #44180230. #44189220 is also a reply to the same post.

SparrowPrince wrote: As expected, these interviews have already turned into: "My work is incomprehensible! Wow downloads! I love my users! I love vidya games!"

This is why interviews with users who are already established are just plain boring. As I said before, you need to seek and spotlight the lesser-known creative talent, as well as the programmers whom don't get enough praise for the tools we just can't live without.

I mean, I don't hate any authors listed here obviously, but we already know what Elinora will talk about (for example). It's not like she is going to tell us that she decided to make mods after her stint of nightly crime fighting was becoming too dangerous.

SlackerD wrote: lol

Well, they did say it would be a weekly thing. It's likely they're starting the series off with well known people to introduce the community to the concept. Eventually they'll run out of the big names and they'll have to find some smaller lesser known mod authors or the devs of the tool to interview if they want the series to continue.

[bigo161107]

In response to post #44169115. #44171160, #44171925, #44172710, #44174990, #44175880, #44180895, #44190425, #44192060, #44197925, #44198580 are all replies on the same post.

CptVolto wrote: Not a single question or insight concerning the entire "Paid Mods" fiasco?

Look, I like Chesko's mods as much as the next guy, but are we all really so quick to forget that he heavily took part in a spearhead movement which would have screwed both modders and the modding community as a whole in the long run.

At least a question as to "why?" would have been nice, especially now that it's months behind and hindsight can reign free.

seedannis wrote: He's already made a reddit post about that before if you really want to read it. I don't think this is necessary in this interview. It was nice to have the focus be on the mods he makes and nothing else.

archerarcher wrote: I think nearly no one cares about this cr@p anymore

camycamera wrote: He's already "explained" himself. Bethesda approached him about it, and of course he'd not turn it down, if you were in his shoes, you certainly wouldn't either; an opportunity to get paid for his work that he did for free, that would be great!

But, unfortunately, due to the terrible way that the whole paid mods thing was implemented by Valve/Bethesda, he got caught up in a bunch of this negativity, and then they pulled the plug. End of story.

You shouldn't demonize someone for taking such an opportunity, even if it was for a lost cause later on. Sometimes, s#*! happens, and Chesko is not to be blamed whatsoever for any of that mess.

Rigmor wrote: How Chesko and some other modders were treated by the crapstorm was pretty much disgusting, seeing as it wasn't really their fault the green eyed genie was let out of the bottle by Valve/Beth, and at the worst possible deal available at that.

Chesko leaves his source files in his mods so people like me can pick at them, and takes time to point you in the right direction if you are having difficulties to an issue. I hope the support he gets from his fans keeps him working on mods, especially SSE.

Unfortunately for all you guys/gals out there, he is going to marry me, so whatever...

:)

Iceman8619 wrote: I have no problem with the fact that Bethesda approached Chesko about getting paid for his mods. I consider Frostfall an essential mod for me to play Skyrim. I'd gladly pay for his mods if they were released as paid mods.

Making mods takes a lot of time and work. Sure, it is great to know that the community appreciates it. Having Bethesda approach him because of his work is, I'm sure, an honor for him. We may not all like the way that whole thing went down, but we all need to have respect and show support to all of the modders out there. Regardless of the paid mod deal, modders have made this game and many other game what they are. There are countless games out there that would not be played near as much as they are without the modders. Skyrim is one of those.

SparrowPrince wrote: Everyone forgets and moves on today. That's how companies like EA keep getting away with nickle and dime anti-consumer practices. But no, let's not go on about it!

Not the modder's fault? Did Bethesda hold a gun to their head? The spin is making me feel dizzy.

SamusKnight2K wrote: Far as I'm concerned Chesko did show remorse for it and stuck around despite some mod authors vanishing after the shitstorm. He has and always will have, my respect. Besides, life is too short to hold grudges over something where someone just wanted to get some extra money doing what they love the most. It wasn't a bad idea, just poortly executed. That's my two septims on the matter.

Leros wrote: What fiasco, the whining of kids that feel entitled to other peoples work?

No modder supporting paid mods did anything wrong. It did not work out, be glad, shut up and move on.

Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry.

Ethreon wrote: Hope you'll enjoy seeing the paid mods return. Cause they will.

SparrowPrince wrote: 'I don't like X opinion, so it's whining.'

Leros, people can 'whine' or complain about what they want. If they weren't allowed, how would they express their opinions? By talking to themselves? By muttering under their breath? You are doing the same right now, but no one else can because it doesn't aline with your own views? Ok then.

It was a bad idea as it was truly built out of corporate greed. It was an attempt to profit off the work of their user base, while watching some extra revenue roll in for doing absolutely nothing; basically, it's YouTube content ID. It's easy to work out why you should have never been a part of it from the very start.

"Seriously the way you people treated modders that created content for you was simply disgusting, it still makes me angry."

Did you ever think how the modders treated their fans and supporters? crippling the community by only uploading to steam workshop which isnt a good platform, just to feed bethesda for sitting on their asses whilst the modder did all the work. Its like horsearmour all over again but with slaves doing the DLC. "Ah, i see you finished the George Clooney BatNip armor. have a piece of bread and a glass of poowater peasant, we will take it from here $$$" The modders basically took a dump on their fans and got down on their knees ready to blow bethesda. That was pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Sure, If youre good at something, dont do it for free. But with modding you just have to bite that bullet because there is no good way to make that happen. Bethesda cant just allow people to profit from the source material. Its copyrighted and s#*!. alot of laws would be broken etc. íf modders want to be paid they need to get a job as a gamedeveloper, they cant just piggyback ride off of skyrims success.