Trump is no go for German TES Community as far as I know them

[HeyYou]

A politician lied. Oh, now there is some new headlines....... I think it's more newsworthy when one actually tells the TRUTH about something. It happens so rarely, the media probably wouldn't know how to cover it..... Trump isn't the first liar in chief, nor will he be the last. He is a bit more 'boisterous' than what we are used to, but, I wonder if that isn't what the country NEEDS about now...

 

As for browbeating companies..... He is doing that to keep jobs here in America. I see that as a good thing. I suspect the bulk of the republican party doesn't exactly agree with his position there... as they are all about making the maximum profit in the shortest amount of time, even though they are selling out the very same people they want to sell their products TO.

 

I am real curious why our voting system is even subject to hacking...... It would be a simple matter to have the entire system isolated from the internet at large..... but, that seems to be too simple of a solution for our government.

[Lisnpuppy]

A politician lied. Oh, now there is some new headlines....... I think it's more newsworthy when one actually tells the TRUTH about something. It happens so rarely, the media probably wouldn't know how to cover it..... Trump isn't the first liar in chief, nor will he be the last. He is a bit more 'boisterous' than what we are used to, but, I wonder if that isn't what the country NEEDS about now...

 

I don't give a rats ass if they all lie, and they do. He did and does and I find it ironic he wants to hold all the liars accountable except himself. Any and every politician needs to be help accountable. Democrat or Republican or Party of the Dumbasses for a Better America. All of them. And boisterous? A straight-talker is one thing, someone who is so full of it that I need to wear my fly fishing waders is another.

 

As for browbeating companies..... He is doing that to keep jobs here in America. I see that as a good thing. I suspect the bulk of the republican party doesn't exactly agree with his position there... as they are all about making the maximum profit in the shortest amount of time, even though they are selling out the very same people they want to sell their products TO.

 

I am all for taxing the crap out of corporations that choose to not do business in the U.S. when they benefit from US laws. However browbeating individual companies is not how it is done nor is that the job of a president. And all the jobs he keeps taking credit for...guess what...many of them were already being handled or changed or addressed way before he got in the Twitter wars with them. So he didn't have a thing to do with many of them that he wishes to credit himself. Or the jobs are being moved around or something so that his statements are not correct. So yeah....talk to me in four years about the good jobs he PERSONALLY saved. Maybe he should start making his ties in the US and not China?

 

I am real curious why our voting system is even subject to hacking...... It would be a simple matter to have the entire system isolated from the internet at large..... but, that seems to be too simple of a solution for our government.

 

It really isn't the voting system that was the final issue here. No one ever claimed the actual voting machines got hacked...they did not as far as I am aware and they are not connected to the internet at large. And as far as the hacking of info from the DNC AND (despite what Trump says) the RNC databases and emails, that is how the Russians (and of course others) do business as usual. Being able to undermind the FAITH people have in the system with misinformation or timing of information, etc. that has had the most impact. I mean they went even so far as to hire trolls to do internet dirty business drumming trouble and even making false news stories. But I guess since Flynn made up stories also they aren't doing anything that Trump seems to have issue with so at least he is consistent with himself and his own.

 

You can hate Hillary, you can hate the current people in power, but the answer is not a man that comes out to comment about his upcoming presidency, and talk about UN resolutions and other important matters with DON KING standing at his side. Or Kanye West. Or cries that a story got leaked to NBC before he heard the info (which he probably would have known MORE had he taken all his security briefings?) and says he is going to demand that these committees are going to be ordered to investigate...which are part of Congress and he doesn't have a say over them in that regard. He has the executive Department of Justice for these things (ignoring the freedom of press thing of course) so he doesn't even know how government works or the sense to keep his Twitter shut until he knows what he is talking about.

[DrakeTheDragon]

As a perhaps interesting by-the-sides, here in Germany the BND has now raised alert condition in preparation of the next coming federal elections in our country.

 

The threat from the organized Russian governmental driven troll-armies and fake news flooding groups seems to be as substantial to the security organs investigating it as to warrant introduction of all-new federal laws and institutions to combat social media and fake news on a large scale.

 

Last I heard in the state TV news the new laws discussed are to pass really soon, will allow all websites displaying fake news, or mass media / social media providing these, to be blocked with only minimal federal investigation beforehand, in order to prevent it being seen, and taken for true, by an abundance of braindead people, which the world has far too many of these days, while it's still up during investigation, and if providers like, for example, Facebook don't comply to takedown requests in not more than 1 day, they will be blocked, state-wide, on all networks, at least until the elections are over.

 

Fun times ahead these are... trolls manipulating elections... whatever happened to using ones brain first and not immediately taking all online lies for true? :ermm:

...On the other hand... federal laws to combat trolls, and the platforms they use, sure sounds like a promising thing to me for some reason... And I for one can't miss social media, should it really have to go, as I'm not using any myself right now. :happy:

[HeyYou]

 

A politician lied. Oh, now there is some new headlines....... I think it's more newsworthy when one actually tells the TRUTH about something. It happens so rarely, the media probably wouldn't know how to cover it..... Trump isn't the first liar in chief, nor will he be the last. He is a bit more 'boisterous' than what we are used to, but, I wonder if that isn't what the country NEEDS about now...

 

I don't give a rats ass if they all lie, and they do. He did and does and I find it ironic he wants to hold all the liars accountable except himself. Any and every politician needs to be help accountable. Democrat or Republican or Party of the Dumbasses for a Better America. All of them. And boisterous? A straight-talker is one thing, someone who is so full of it that I need to wear my fly fishing waders is another.

 

As for browbeating companies..... He is doing that to keep jobs here in America. I see that as a good thing. I suspect the bulk of the republican party doesn't exactly agree with his position there... as they are all about making the maximum profit in the shortest amount of time, even though they are selling out the very same people they want to sell their products TO.

 

I am all for taxing the crap out of corporations that choose to not do business in the U.S. when they benefit from US laws. However browbeating individual companies is not how it is done nor is that the job of a president. And all the jobs he keeps taking credit for...guess what...many of them were already being handled or changed or addressed way before he got in the Twitter wars with them. So he didn't have a thing to do with many of them that he wishes to credit himself. Or the jobs are being moved around or something so that his statements are not correct. So yeah....talk to me in four years about the good jobs he PERSONALLY saved. Maybe he should start making his ties in the US and not China?

 

I am real curious why our voting system is even subject to hacking...... It would be a simple matter to have the entire system isolated from the internet at large..... but, that seems to be too simple of a solution for our government.

 

It really isn't the voting system that was the final issue here. No one ever claimed the actual voting machines got hacked...they did not as far as I am aware and they are not connected to the internet at large. And as far as the hacking of info from the DNC AND (despite what Trump says) the RNC databases and emails, that is how the Russians (and of course others) do business as usual. Being able to undermind the FAITH people have in the system with misinformation or timing of information, etc. that has had the most impact. I mean they went even so far as to hire trolls to do internet dirty business drumming trouble and even making false news stories. But I guess since Flynn made up stories also they aren't doing anything that Trump seems to have issue with so at least he is consistent with himself and his own.

 

You can hate Hillary, you can hate the current people in power, but the answer is not a man that comes out to comment about his upcoming presidency, and talk about UN resolutions and other important matters with DON KING standing at his side. Or Kanye West. Or cries that a story got leaked to NBC before he heard the info (which he probably would have known MORE had he taken all his security briefings?) and says he is going to demand that these committees are going to be ordered to investigate...which are part of Congress and he doesn't have a say over them in that regard. He has the executive Department of Justice for these things (ignoring the freedom of press thing of course) so he doesn't even know how government works or the sense to keep his Twitter shut until he knows what he is talking about.

 

While I agree with most of your points, thinking that anyone is going to be held responsible for anything in washington DC, is likely a pipe dream. It has become the norm, not the exception.

 

Our government is broken. Its as simple as that. No one person is going to be able to fix it. It's likely they won't even be able to make a significant dent in what is wrong. It has taken us decades to get to this point, it isn't something that is going to be fixed in one or two presidential terms. I doubt that it even CAN be fixed at all, short of a complete re-working of our government. (revolution.) Of course, that would have consequences all its own, and I would likely be a casualty of such a happening......

 

A LOT needs to happen for our government to fix itself.... The problem is, the only folks that CAN make the changes, are the very same folks that benefit the most from NOT changing a damn thing. Some of Trumps ideas are actually right in line with what needs to happen. (as relates to term limits, lobbyists, etc.) But, congress will never pass into law, the changes he wants to make. They would cutting off their own gravy train. I don't see that ever happening.

[Aurielius]

I find this sudden romance between Democrats and the Intelligence Community very droll, the same group that has taken every opportunity to limit / hobble proactive intelligence now just loves the agencies that up to months ago were the 'enemy'. This administration has ignored all the provocations by Russia for the last eight years (Crimea, Ukraine,Syria, etc.). If memory serves in the Romney/Obama presidential debates when Romney stated that Russia was our most pressing threat..Obama rejoined (to Liberal laughter) "The 80's called and they want their Foreign Policy back". This administration was perfectly sanguine with the Russians... UNTIL they lost the election..if the hypocrisy wasn't so blatant it would almost be droll. My current favorite Obama quote is when he told the Russians ( in reference to their Intel interference) " to cut it out", maybe he should have drawn one of his famous Red Line's..that surely would have scared an ex KGB thug like Putin into compliance...when he finished laughing.

The Russians have ALWAYS been the most imminent danger to our national security since 1945, if progressives are just waking up to that fact, well then better late than never.

 

'To anger a Conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal tell them the truth."- Teddy Roosevelt

[Lisnpuppy]

I'm not sure what advantage or what the democrats would hope to gain from getting in a tizzy now about it all. There is no indication that Trump did not actually win (though I realize it can boggle the mind.) In fact if just about anyone other than Hillary would have run the Dems probably would have won. Regardless my argument is not challenging the election and thus, Aurielius, if you are responding to me then you are arguing the wrong argument. We could look at all sides and comment about love affairs each party had with the intelligence agencies or the big break-ups they had. The difference is whatever the almost previous admin and their corresponding parties did or not (and I could argue this but as I said it isn't to my point) do, any skepticism and lack-of-faith that was present stayed largely behind closed doors. Trump doesn't seem to have issue with pissing off the very people he really needs to make informed decisions about the world. I mean the CIA is basically at a president's beck and call. Of all of them to piss off that is the last one you perhaps, should.

 

I'm not going back in the past to complain about this and that. I am trying to focus on the current issues and Trump's atrocious handling of issues. I don't care that Twitter and Facebook is the new reality. Is this the behavior he will have once sworn in? Is he going to Tweet Putin and put little emoticons all over it?

 

@HeyYou

I just don't think that Trump can offer any change even if there could be. I mean what do his billionaire pics have in common with us, the huddled masses? Do they have any understanding of what is going on in the real world? Or how about putting Ben Carson in charge of HUD? He is a medical doctor. What the hell does he know about any of that? Or the appointment of the governor of South Carolina to the United Nations? Say what you want about the effectiveness of such a body, but is Nikki Haley in any way qualified for this?

 

Trump has gone back and forth over many things from his campaign to now. What about the lovely wall? Well they want congress (thus the American taxpayer) to fund it then go get it back from Mexico. I saw a congressman the other night arguing that because Trump can force large corporations to do his bidding (and you know my opinion on that) then he could make Mexico pay. Mexico is a sovereign Nation-State. And you can not recover this money with trade and tariffs. It doesn't transfer to hard cash needed for the thing.

 

Based on his picks for most cabinet positions I am extremely worried about my future and the future of my family. God help me if my husband would lose his job and thus our health care coverage. I would not at this point be able to apply for medicaid and if the affordable healthcare act gets dismantled without something decent to replace it, I would be in a horrible and yes, life threatening position. Even with my insurance we pay hundreds of dollars a month just in scripts.

To say nothing is ever going to change is to me, a way of laying down and becoming squishy road kill. I don't care the statistical chances, I will continue to debate and support the causes for which I care. I will continue to try to be an informed voter and citizen. We have the true power of change, isn't Trump's election itself showing what the populace is capable of at any time. What if they all decided to not vote in the current congressional members? Wouldn't that be a hoot.

[HeyYou]

I wish folks WOULD decide to NOT vote for any incumbent. Do that for a couple election cycles, and maybe we would have a chance of congress doing what is in the best interests of america, instead of the best interests of their wallet.

 

I would point out that most american are already squishy road kill. Look at the choices we are offered for President.... The same folks that thought up that contest are the very same folks that decide who runs where, and pretty much, who is going to win. There isn't going to be any significant change in washington, from WITHIN washington. It is going to HAVE to be pressure from an outside source. I have little faith that the american people could come together on anything even remotely resembling a 'viable solution' at this point in time. We are too divided, to set in our ways, and to loyal to political parties that regularly s#*! on us. It is truly a mystery to me just WHY we keep putting the same jokers if office, when we know for a fact that they do NOT represent US.

 

Here in america, we do indeed have some smart individuals. However, taken collectively, we got nothin' on a box o' rocks.

[MajKrAzAm]

As a perhaps interesting by-the-sides, here in Germany the BND has now raised alert condition in preparation of the next coming federal elections in our country.

 

The threat from the organized Russian governmental driven troll-armies and fake news flooding groups seems to be as substantial to the security organs investigating it as to warrant introduction of all-new federal laws and institutions to combat social media and fake news on a large scale.

 

Last I heard in the state TV news the new laws discussed are to pass really soon, will allow all websites displaying fake news, or mass media / social media providing these, to be blocked with only minimal federal investigation beforehand, in order to prevent it being seen, and taken for true, by an abundance of braindead people, which the world has far too many of these days, while it's still up during investigation, and if providers like, for example, Facebook don't comply to takedown requests in not more than 1 day, they will be blocked, state-wide, on all networks, at least until the elections are over.

 

Fun times ahead these are... trolls manipulating elections... whatever happened to using ones brain first and not immediately taking all online lies for true? :ermm:

...On the other hand... federal laws to combat trolls, and the platforms they use, sure sounds like a promising thing to me for some reason... And I for one can't miss social media, should it really have to go, as I'm not using any myself right now. :happy:

 

 

Germany is a joke. Europe is undergoing one of the biggest migrations in recent history. Hundred of thousands of mostly male Muslim foreigners have walked straight into Europe and have caused enormous social problems. It's insane. If someone had told me twenty years ago that you would have have mass slaughter on the streets of old European cities, trucks mowing into crowds, mass sexual assault of women, priests being beheaded, then I'd have probably said you were a nutjob. Yet here we are in 2017 and people think Russia is the problem!

[DrakeTheDragon]

For what it's worth, according to the BKA Russia's still not off the list of suspects to be behind the attacks. After all, a direct relation to IS or Islam so far could still not be confirmed.

A close second would be the soon-to-be new caliphate Erdogan-istan, but that's just the conspiracy theorists speculating now.

 

An unsettlingly closer guessed suspect would be our own political party the AFD, and pretty much every other right-wing extremist group they're cooperating with.

There's an alarming identity to past events we can see right now. Not unlikely that in only a few years from now the federal congress in Berlin will burn, and once all surviving government members have been disposed of the AFD and their ilk will take over and blame the Muslims for all of it. As last time the populace will believe everything they say and applaud in sky-high fanfares when everyone different got exiled or killed, and the right to vote gets voted away.

 

...uhm, yeah... we were at conspiracy theories now, weren't we?

[TheMastersSon]

 

As a perhaps interesting by-the-sides, here in Germany the BND has now raised alert condition in preparation of the next coming federal elections in our country.

 

The threat from the organized Russian governmental driven troll-armies and fake news flooding groups seems to be as substantial to the security organs investigating it as to warrant introduction of all-new federal laws and institutions to combat social media and fake news on a large scale.

 

Last I heard in the state TV news the new laws discussed are to pass really soon, will allow all websites displaying fake news, or mass media / social media providing these, to be blocked with only minimal federal investigation beforehand, in order to prevent it being seen, and taken for true, by an abundance of braindead people, which the world has far too many of these days, while it's still up during investigation, and if providers like, for example, Facebook don't comply to takedown requests in not more than 1 day, they will be blocked, state-wide, on all networks, at least until the elections are over.

 

Fun times ahead these are... trolls manipulating elections... whatever happened to using ones brain first and not immediately taking all online lies for true? :ermm:

...On the other hand... federal laws to combat trolls, and the platforms they use, sure sounds like a promising thing to me for some reason... And I for one can't miss social media, should it really have to go, as I'm not using any myself right now. :happy:

 

 

Germany is a joke. Europe is undergoing one of the biggest migrations in recent history. Hundred of thousands of mostly male Muslim foreigners have walked straight into Europe and have caused enormous social problems. It's insane. If someone had told me twenty years ago that you would have have mass slaughter on the streets of old European cities, trucks mowing into crowds, mass sexual assault of women, priests being beheaded, then I'd have probably said you were a nutjob. Yet here we are in 2017 and people think Russia is the problem!

 

According to history the world produces a popular fascist uprising every half century or so. The current one is known either as "Islamic extremism", the "war on terror" or "religious freedom", depending on country and location. It's the exact same abject stupidity.

Edited January 12, 2017 by TheMastersSon