Why Bethesda, Why

[abaris]

 

If everybody rises up and start crapping on say.... Fords. Now, how do you think it would go?

If your car got a problem, you complain. That is normal. However, if you then start crapping on the brand itself and the producers, you are generally an a**hole. If everybody became an a**hole, there would be no more Fords. See the problem?

 

 

I respect people, I don't respect companies. Going around and throwing insults on my way isn't my style either. What I have a problem with are peopele treating business like a living breathing entity. There's nothing personal about business and it's always good to remember that their products aren't labors of love but labors of profit.

 

It would take a considerate amount of people taking a crap on a certain brand to ruin any business. And if that comes to pass there's usually a reason behind it. To take your Ford example, the Edsel might be one of them. Whilst being a revolutionary car, it just didn't coincide with the tastes of the age.

 

And, to use your own words, crapping on people's opinions might just be the reason why your comments come over as riding the high horse into a discussion that so far had only one or two people outright damning Skyrim to hell.

[HadToRegister]

If everybody rises up and start crapping on say.... Fords. Now, how do you think it would go?

If your car got a problem, you complain. That is normal. However, if you then start crapping on the brand itself and the producers, you are generally an a**hole. If everybody became an a**hole, there would be no more Fords. See the problem?

No, YOU don't see the problem.

If I start complaining about the Company who MAKES the Crap Product, then I am calling them to task and telling them to make a WORKING product.

 

If I just complain about one of their crappy products, NOTHING gets achieved, the company doesn't get feedback and nobody wins.

 

If you don't like Skyrim, then that's fine. If you want to complain, then that's fine to. If you now start insulting Bethesda, you are an idiot. You are currently not complaining about the game, but the producers. That is disrespectfull to the game studio.

No it's not disrespectful.

The Game Studio is the one who keeps making buggy games OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, complaining about the game continues this cycle,

complaining about the Game Studio TO the Game Studio might make them take notice that people are sick of getting buggy products.

What were all the promises we heard from Todd before the release of Skyrim that are actually IN Skyrim right now?

Not many.

 

"All new Engine"? No it's not, it's still the same Gamebryo Engine with some polish on it.

 

According to the Character Creation Screen, My Breton has %50 Magic Resistance (bretons did in Morrowind and Oblivion) however if I look at her stats, it says she only has %25.

 

I really got nothing against people complaining, if they actually do it right. I do got problem with people crapping on logic and just whine because they feel entitled to it. If X person got 100+ houres, enjoyable hours, then the person got no right to cry over anything. The person can name problems, and solution, but starting to bash Bethesda or Skyrim is just wrong.

So now you're Complaining that we're Complaining wrong?

I've got 100+ hours in a Bethesda game, not 100+ of those hours were enjoyable, some of those hours were spent rebooting my computer from an unrecoverable CTD caused

by the game, or looking for mods that would fix a few bugs with the game, or looking for INI fixes that would fix aspects of the game

So, no, I don't have 100+ hours of me sitting there with a smile on my face whistling a happy tune.

[saadus]

It is truly sad how many idiots there truly are on the Nexus that insist on having their viewpoint forced on everyone. Respect each others opinions, stop the insults, AND MOVE ON.

 

I started reading these posts to see what I could possibly fix when CK comes out. It started as the thread should but now, after 6 pages, ends up being a giant spat between a few people. Respect each others opinion, dont cram yours down other peoples throat. Now, we know the problems, can we discuss fixing them?

[HadToRegister]

It is truly sad how many idiots there truly are on the Nexus that insist on having their viewpoint forced on everyone. Respect each others opinions, stop the insults, AND MOVE ON.

 

 

The Irony........

[JimboUK]

It is truly sad how many idiots there truly are on the Nexus that insist on having their viewpoint forced on everyone. Respect each others opinions, stop the insults, AND MOVE ON.

 

I started reading these posts to see what I could possibly fix when CK comes out. It started as the thread should but now, after 6 pages, ends up being a giant spat between a few people. Respect each others opinion, dont cram yours down other peoples throat. Now, we know the problems, can we discuss fixing them?

 

Want things to fix? enjoy.. http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1317665-unofficial-buglist/ :thumbsup:

[saadus]

Thanks for the list. Now I know where I can get started at =)

[azaltan]

It is truly sad how many idiots there truly are on the Nexus that insist on having their viewpoint forced on everyone. Respect each others opinions, stop the insults, AND MOVE ON.

 

I started reading these posts to see what I could possibly fix when CK comes out. It started as the thread should but now, after 6 pages, ends up being a giant spat between a few people. Respect each others opinion, dont cram yours down other peoples throat. Now, we know the problems, can we discuss fixing them?

 

Want things to fix? enjoy.. http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1317665-unofficial-buglist/ :thumbsup:

 

:laugh:

[elleonblanco]

Ok... I am not going to point fingers and hurl insults at any of the other members on the forum. But I have to admit I call bet Bugthesda frequently. When you have bought as many titles off them as I have and before you even load the game up the first time you are already wondering how long it will take you to find your first bug. Why do I keep self flagellating by purchasing Beth games? Because bugs and all they are still the only open world gaming platform that I truly enjoy playing. So those of us dedicated customers do in fact have a right to complain and sometimes vehemently about the problems in every new release. So you say because I have enjoyed playing my game over 200 hours I have no right to complain? How completely wrong you are in making such a statement. It was my money, my time, and my frustration that were on the line so yes in fact I do have a right to complain. Remember the first Chrysler Concords? Like a Beth game totally awesomely designed automobile that had more problems than a Corvair.

 

So you want to go on about the programmers. When I was in college many many moons ago we learned programming on freaking punch cards. You learned to write efficient clean code in those days because if you handed the box of cards to the computer operator too many times they would get tired of seeing your ass and mix the cards up instead of being nice and turning the card sideways in the box where your program stopped running. If I had turned in a piece of software that was as buggy as a Beth game I am sure I would have never graduated. Sometimes I actually wonder if any of the ones working at Beth did.

 

So leave me alone in my right to give a nickname to my favorite game producer and let other people have their own opinions about them as well. Bugthesda sorta' has a nice ring to it doesn't it? So.... I'll say it again only louder this time BUG THESDA!

Edited December 29, 2011 by elleonblanco

[Matth85]

What I have a problem with are peopele treating business like a living breathing entity. There's nothing personal about business and it's always good to remember that their products aren't labors of love but labors of profit.

There is also nothing personal being here, yet we try to respect each other. Respect is different from worshipping. Bethesda makes a game for a profit, spending more money on the game than you will earn in your whole life, and release it. The game gets tons of bugs, which is being worked on. Now there comes a few people complaining, and dragging in other titles they've played. Where is the logic?

 

It would take a considerate amount of people taking a crap on a certain brand to ruin any business

My point still stands. If you don't respect the brand you constantly buy, and you keep complaining, you got to rethink a lot.

And, to use your own words, crapping on people's opinions might just be the reason why your comments come over as riding the high horse into a discussion that so far had only one or two people outright damning Skyrim to hell.

Well, we can't have it easy, not can we? That said, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for 1 certain post. Generally insults and crapping on Bethesda, yet admitting playing every game. Now, wether people thinks I am insulting is another matter. I speak directly, and respect thoose who deserves it. If that doesn't fit random Joe, then that is not my problem.

 

If I start complaining about the Company who MAKES the Crap Product, then I am calling them to task and telling them to make a WORKING product.

Yup. Because the complaining have worked over the last, eh, 20 years? No. Bethesda makes what they can make with the time they got.

 

No it's not disrespectful.

The Game Studio is the one who keeps making buggy games OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, complaining about the game continues this cycle,

complaining about the Game Studio TO the Game Studio might make them take notice that people are sick of getting buggy products.

So, if I hate the color of my new Ford, should I start crapping on the brand? What logic do you follow?

Bethesda games got bugs. Why? Have you seen the games? Have you seen the engine? They do more in 4 years than the average game would have done in 10. If you have bought and complained about bugs since Arena, I suggest you start doing something else with your sparetime.

 

 

What were all the promises we heard from Todd before the release of Skyrim that are actually IN Skyrim right now?

Not many.

Is this the first game you play? EVERY game got the same problem. They promise and promise ,but don't get time or money to get it out. Wether you start yelling and swearing the name "Bethesda" will not help. Perhaps if you donate approximately 100 000 000 dollars to Bethesda they could add what they promised. We got a product, albeit not polished, that gave us what? 100-300 houres? You got MORE than you paid for. The rest will come with DLC, expansion and mods.

 

So now you're Complaining that we're Complaining wrong?

Wha..? I don't care what you complain about in Skyrim, as long as it is usefull. Seen the buglsit? Is your complain on the buglist? Great, nothing more you can do. At least not over here, a MODDING community -- unless you want a mod to fix it of course.

 

I've got 100+ hours in a Bethesda game, not 100+ of those hours were enjoyable, some of those hours were spent rebooting my computer from an unrecoverable CTD caused

by the game, or looking for mods that would fix a few bugs with the game, or looking for INI fixes that would fix aspects of the game

So, no, I don't have 100+ hours of me sitting there with a smile on my face whistling a happy tune.

I bought Assassin's Creed Revolution a week ago. I finished it in 2 days.

I bought Syward Sword, I finished it in a week.

I bought Skyrim at release, I have only done 2 guilds, half of THieves guild and some side quests. I got 140 houres into the game. I can push in another 150. Were thoose 140 all happy? Neh, you can take 30 away from crashes.

My point is, even how much you complain: You've had more "fun" houres in a 100-hour-Skyrim-Life span than in any other game.

 

Perhaps it is not clear enough, so let me spell it out: Skyrim is a big game. The engine is crap. Bethesda wanted to release 11.11.11, which was about 1-2 months too early. Early release means more stress and more bugs. It all cost money. The game industry doesn't got more money -- exept Blizzard.

 

Now, if you want to complain: Go right ahead. I see no problems in it. I do, however, see problems in people going berserk with what they feel entitled too, and people knowing how Bethesda does things - yet they feel the need to bash the company. Why do I care about that? Easy: I know how the game industry works. I know how much beta testers costs. I know how hard it is to press a game as Skyrim into a toaster - I mean Xbox. And finally I've enjoyed TES games since Daggerfall. Bugs are a part of the games, always have been and always will be. You can't make big games without bugs, unless you got the time and money to beta test every aspect of it for a few months.

 

So those of us dedicated customers do in fact have a right to complain and sometimes vehemently about the problems in every new release

Complaining as in: "God damn X bug is F*** anoying!" ? - then no you got no right. You might feel entitled to, but no. If you are a dedicated customer, you know that bugs are a part of the game and will never be all fixed.

or

Complaining as in: "Yeah, found X bug. You know, why isn't that fixed? All you need to do is Y!"? Then yes, you got all right to. This is actually helpfull for.. everybody.

 

So you say because I have enjoyed playing my game over 200 hours I have no right to complain?

I say you got no right to start whining and crapping on Bethesda. You just paid what, 60 bucks for 200 houres? 0,3 bucks per hour? That means something got your attention, and you do like the game. If you now like the game and have played for 200 houres, you got no right to go "But yeah, Bethesda sucks.".

 

So you want to go on about the programmers. When I was in college many many moons ago we learned programming on freaking punch cards. You learned to write efficient clean code in those days because if you handed the box of cards to the computer operator too many times they would get tired of seeing your ass and mix the cards up instead of being nice and turning the card sideways in the box where your program stopped running. If I had turned in a piece of software that was as buggy as a Beth game I am sure I would have never graduated. Sometimes I actually wonder if any of the ones working at Beth did.

I never mentioned programmers?

That said, if you are able to make a game hosting 300 houres of gameplay, thousand of modells, modifying an old engine and match it together for graduation, you are currently a half god. I am not sure you know, but size is linked to bugs and time. Time costs money. Money is something the game, and film, industry lacks a LOT.

 

So leave me alone in my right to give a nickname to my favorite game producer and let other people have their own opinions about them as well. Bugthesda sorta' has a nice ring to it doesn't it? So.... I'll say it again only louder this time BUG THESDA!

Yeah, because I am totally going on a crusade to make you stop calling them what you want. Totally. Yeah. No, you missed the point.

[HadToRegister]

Respect is different from worshipping. Bethesda makes a game for a profit, spending more money on the game than you will earn in your whole life, and release it. The game gets tons of bugs, which is being worked on. Now there comes a few people complaining, and dragging in other titles they've played. Where is the logic?

Because THOSE titles also had the SAME bugs that Skyrim have.

Again, if you make a game and it has these certain bugs in it, and then you make ANOTHER game that has the SAME bugs in it, then you obviously aren't learning from your mistakes.

 

Yup. Because the complaining have worked over the last, eh, 20 years? No. Bethesda makes what they can make with the time they got.

Bethesda, since Oblivion have published their own games.

So Bethesda published SKyrim, they had all the time in the world to fix the game they didn't have to stick to the 11/11/11 release date.

Why are Blizzard games so polished and bug-free?

Because they announce them, without announcing a release date, and they don't release their game until it's done.

 

Enough with the "Logic" argument, there is no "Logic" IN your logic arguments...

 

Wha..? I don't care what you complain about in Skyrim, as long as it is usefull. Seen the buglsit? Is your complain on the buglist? Great, nothing more you can do. At least not over here, a MODDING community -- unless you want a mod to fix it of course.

Where do you think a LOT of mods are born?

 

In a thread like this, but they usually get cluttered up when people like you keep blindly defending something and taking the thread completely off topic and steal the focus of the thread.

 

I bought Assassin's Creed Revolution a week ago. I finished it in 2 days.

I bought Syward Sword, I finished it in a week.

I bought Skyrim at release, I have only done 2 guilds, half of THieves guild and some side quests. I got 140 houres into the game. I can push in another 150. Were thoose 140 all happy? Neh, you can take 30 away from crashes.

My point is, even how much you complain: You've had more "fun" houres in a 100-hour-Skyrim-Life span than in any other game.

Big deal, if you play the main quest of Skyrim you can finish the game in less than 2 hours.

You can finish the main quest of Fallout 3 in 20 minutes.

Bethesda has Notoriously SHORT Main Quests, that's why the sandbox works for them, because people know the MQ is going to be unbelevably short, so they stay away from it and wander around.

 

Perhaps it is not clear enough, so let me spell it out: Skyrim is a big game. The engine is crap. Bethesda wanted to release 11.11.11, which was about 1-2 months too early. Early release means more stress and more bugs. It all cost money. The game industry doesn't got more money -- exept Blizzard.

Where is all this data about the Game Industry not having enough money?

Show me some spreadsheets or something, because the game industry is just that, an Industry, and Industries are LARGE MONEY MAKING THINGS.

 

So, some financial data that proves that the game industry doesn't have anymore money to fix bugs and can only put out buggy games because of that.

 

Now, if you want to complain: Go right ahead. I see no problems in it. I do, however, see problems in people going berserk with what they feel entitled too, and people knowing how Bethesda does things - yet they feel the need to bash the company.

You see no problem with it, yet you keep coming back to this thread with the same tired old argument.

If you have no problem with people complaining about the game, then this should be your last post in this thread, right?

The ONLY person going "Berserk" in this thread is you, you're the one doing all the name-calling and getting so worked up that people are allowed to have a negative opinion about

a company you perceive as completely flawless.

 

Complaining as in: "God damn X bug is F*** anoying!" ? - then no you got no right. You might feel entitled to, but no. If you are a dedicated customer, you know that bugs are a part of the game and will never be all fixed.

Have you seen that example in this thread?

Have you seen that example in this thread, by me or the other couple of people you're arguing with?

 

Quotes or it didn't happen.

 

I say you got no right to start whining and crapping on Bethesda. You just paid what, 60 bucks for 200 houres?

If I didn't PURCHASE the game, then I would have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain about the game.

The fact that I BOUGHT the game gives me the full right to Complain about the game, because it's NOT giving me the expectations that I had hoped for, for my $60 dollars.

According to your "Logic" if someone buys a car that doesn't work, they have no right to complain, because they sat in the car and tried to start it.

 

I never mentioned programmers?

That said, if you are able to make a game hosting 300 houres of gameplay, thousand of modells, modifying an old engine and match it together for graduation, you are currently a half god. I am not sure you know, but size is linked to bugs and time. Time costs money. Money is something the game, and film, industry lacks a LOT.

Again, please produce financial reports for these failing industries.

Programmers are the ones who write the code so all of those Models can work in a game.

Why is it that modders can make "Unnoficial Bugfix" mods that fix literally Hundreds if not Thousands of Bugs that the Developer of the Game can't seem to fix?

Bethesda released a patch for their own game that broke Magical resistances and made Dragons fly backwards.

 

It's their game and their code! And they broke it.

Is that because they don't have any money? and the industry is financially failing, or is it because of bad Quality Control? Something that every other industry has in place,

the difference is, in other industries, you can RETURN a faulty Product, in the software industry, once you buy a faulty product, you're stuck with it.

 

Yeah, because I am totally going on a crusade to make you stop calling them what you want. Totally. Yeah. No, you missed the point.

That's exactly what you're doing in each and every post of your in this thread, is basically saying "Stop picking on Bethesda", if that isn't a crusade, I don't know what it.