FPS Please (I felt you roll your eyes)

[Crosstieger]

Stick with Nvidia. Go with a 900 series, you can find them fairly cheap, as the 1000 series is out, and still fairly new.

 

There is no reason to go with the 900 if you can afford a 1000 or amd's 400 cards. Older cards don't receive any major driver update anymore and - especially on Nivida’s side - are left in the dust after the release of a new generation. Another + for AMD . As long as you can't find any - really - cheap deals it's not worth it most of the time.

 

The 480 is a better choice over the 1060. It's cheaper, more futureproof (DX12) and is theoretical the "faster" card. The 1060 is only slightly faster in DX11 title but the different is negligible.

[JimmyRJump]

Thank you both much! I was looking at the differences and for about $10-$20 on NewEgg I can get a 8GB over the 4GB, no brainer. And yes, it seems also that the MSI is the way to go.

 

I only ever owned one AMD card before and it was horrible! I have always been a Nvidia girl, but I am sick to high stink of their software. I suspect after a new card I will be pestering you all again to make sure I know how to rid my rig of all that is Nvida where the card is concerned.

 

Oh and yes, I do need to upgrade my power supply, it is already over burdened with 3 HD and all the other usual components, I know this is a no no, so will be replacing the PS first :wink: Damn those cards are expensive! Cheapest I found was $269.00, but a Gamer has to do what a Gamer must.

 

Thanks again truly!

I've been going between NVidia and AMD. Switched from an NVidia Asus EN8800GTS Top 512MB to an AMD Asus HD5870 Matrix Platinum because at the time, NVidia had nothing worth upgrading to. Stayed with AMD ever since, bar an excursion to NVidia with an MSI GTX460 HAWK while I was using two Sapphire HD6970ies in my main PC. Never been let down by either manufacturer, bar with the release of Skyrim which didn't support CrossFireX for half a year. As far as drivers go, both brands have had their share of misfortunes but deliver stable stuff the last couple of years.

 

Only reason why I stay with AMD is because my income is the size of a skinny amoebe and my wallet would migrate to South-East Timbuktu should I but point at a top tier NVidia card...

 

Power supplies to look for are brands like Antec, CoolerMaster, Silverstone, etc... Go for Gold, at least, Platinum preferably, for very good to top efficiency. May cost an arm and a leg (short ones) but you don't want to go Made In Bangladesh with a PSU if you don't want a couple thousand of green ones worth of hardware to light up like a christmas tree. I know it's the time of the year, sure, but there's limits to the choice of festive lights :wink:

[SirTwist]

I haven't, yet, missed a single update for Nvidia. Of course I had to download, from scratch, both Geforce Experience, and the drivers, lately, but that's because of issues with Nvidia itself. Mind you, this is on my GTX 750. And even thought the 1000 series are the best bang for your buck, it's still pricey. The 900 series, while a generation behind, is more than what you really need. Make sure you have adequate power supply for what you are buying, though, first, then choose your card, at will. Even an 800 series would be good, for Nvidia, for your needs. AMD/ATI might be good for you as well, but be sure your power supply can handle it, first. I would go with a decent to good manufacturer of the card. MSI, and others mentioned are from decent to good. When I say that, I mean price. Where you may run into more pricey cards, are from PNY. However, do your shopping, and be sure of the fans on it, first. If you can't support one you are looking at, you might want to consider something else. And that's why I'm saying lower series of cards might be better, for a slight boost in performance. And wait until closer to Christmas, or even right after, and you might find a good price on the card you want. And I will also say that PSU's you want a good one. I have a Thermaltake Gold, I think 750 watt, I think, and it's good for what I need right now. Eventually, the case will be replaced, and I will be upgrading my system all around, at the time, and the current system will be replacing an old AMD Athlon 64-bit computer, made by Dell and running Vista. But it's up to you what card you go with, just make sure the card you pick is one you can afford AND your power supply/motherboard/case can handle. That is the key, if your case, etc. can't handle it, then move on. Otherwise, get what you like, get a decent card, and have fun.

[Dempcey]

 

I'm using a 1080 and the game runs like it's on console... New GPU wont change anything. Good luck to you though.

The i7 is heavily bottlenecked by the 750 and it's low vram.

Apologies, what do you mean by "bottlenecked"?

 

 

Thank you for the replies!

I have made the decision to replace everything except my i7. I was trying to figure out why all firelight in game was not working as well as all models in the loading screen were pitch black except those that had a glow map on them, the glow would show. It was due to turning off shadows (no damn idea why that is) but turning shadows back on turned all firelight sources back on. This tells me I must spend the money if I want to be able to enjoy the graphics of games such as FO4.

 

Really am paying attention to you all! I have about 1k to spend on a rig so all suggestions are appreciated! I would love to go with a full tower this time round just so I have room to work inside the case.

 

FPS is out of control. I did some more tweaking in Nvida control panel and the FO4 Tweaker, and FPS was a pretty stable 60, but tweaking again with the shadows has dropped that lovely 60 to 25 - 40 and far too many CTD. Can't win.

 

Off Topic: Loving the new songs added to DC radio :dance:

[genolune]

If you look in my signature there are some options in the optimizing Fallout thread. Go with BethINI over Bilago's configuration tool. BethINI was made by people behind the S.T.E.P. for Skyrim and they scrutinize .ini settings heavily. Having done a lot of that for Skyrim, I feel confident in recommending their products, especially since I too have used Bilago's tool. Not to slight Bilago or anything. Also BethINI supports Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, Oblivion, Skyrim, and Skyrim Special Edition through a drop down menu.

[L3s7ing]

Here's a short explanation video about bottlenecks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9XuCz1FQEU.
What I meant in this case was, that your i7 is much more powerful than your gtx 750. So even when your gpu is running at 100% your cpu can't use its full potential, cause the maxed out graphics card won't give more room.

So the "dream" is to have a system without any bottleneck, or simply said, without any parts slowing other down. However, building this "perfect" system is impossible. So when building a pc, you're trying to get the best combination of parts so they don't slow down each other too much.

When having an i7 4790k oc, your 750 slows you down. Would you upgrade now to let's say two Titan X pascal (yes, completely ridiculous), your i7 would probably slow them down in some cases.

 

But putting that aside, if you want to upgrade your complete rig, I would recommend going up to 16GB of ram and minimum an rx 480 or 1060. Due to the fact that you have 1k to spend and probatly only need to upgrade your ram (don't know your complete current setup, but maybe you could just add one or two ram sticks), go for a new gpu and psu and like you wanted, get a new case. You could probably even go for a gtx 1070, maybe a SSD.

For power supply's I can recommend Corsair, EVGA and SeaSonic.

Regarding cases... well that's just up to you and what your likes are. I'm using a corsair 750D with much room, even for watercooling, but there are probably much newer and better cases out there.

[JimmyRJump]

If you can find an Antec 1200 case second hand somewhere, don't hesitate. Best ventilated case I've ever had. Was a bit pricy at the time (still is) but it comes with five 120mm fans (two at the back, three in front) and a 200mm "Big Boy" at the top, so, even new it's a bit of a scenario where you buy six fans and get an enclosure for free...

 

I still have mine but have swapped to a CoolerMaster Cosmos II Ultra because I needed more HD space.

 

Have a look at the CoolerMaster 690 III series. Affordable, (NewEgg only has a white one in stock, it seems: here's a CM-690II, sadly, no longer available) good to excellent ventilation and enough room for cable management and stuff you want to add inside (I had a CM 690 II)....

 

Here's an Antec EarthWatts Platinum 650W PSU, as an example (been using only CoolerMaster and mainly Antec power supplies myself, so I can't really recommend anything else from personal experience).

[Dempcey]

OK, ...

1. L3s7ing has opened my eyes.

OS is on a SSD, but FO4 is running from an external drive, 8GM of memory, the GTX 750 with an i7 processor and all 4 are conflicting where speed and performance are concerned. No amount of "tweaking" settings is going to "fix" my rigs issue. Upgrading this rig would be a waste of money, best to make a new rig. (Your a fine teacher Hon! Thank you for making me "understand" sincerely!)

 

2. JimmyRJump thank you very much for your insight of makes, models and affordability! The case is a highly important piece of the jigsaw!

 

3. genolune, thank you also I will use the advice others gave you in your thread until I can get something new rock & rolling.

 

I am hunting down parts and will post the components before I purchase to get your thoughts if you don't mind.

 

Thanks so very much again.

[jdkzombie]

Upgrading parts is fine and dandy, heaven knows I've done it several times to play newer games, but this game is simply NOT optimized that well. The Engine is very old, and at this point, I feel like it is struggling.

 

I've seen even the heartiest i7 and Nvidia/AMD video cards take a baseball bat to the knees in this game. Personally, I use AMD, FX 8350, and R9 390, and while in other games I easily cap at 60fps, or maintain much higher, Fallout 4 seems to go to extreme's.

 

The big issue is that shadows are handled by the CPU, intel gets away easier as their single core performance is always much better than AMD, and Fallout doesn't seem to use multicore support at all, watching my cpu and core usage, which is a bummer. The shadow calling and draw often times loads up the cpu so badly that you simply cant help but take a fps hit. Also another issue is cell draw. For whatever reason sometimes a cell will suffer from a memory leak and if you hit ` and type tcl, you can float around and find the pinpoint of the fps hit, and I have usually found them under the map, or inside buildings that you cant go in.

 

Upgrading your hardware will allow for a higher overall FPS gain and more stable gameplay, but you will still see fps drops all over the map.

Like I can go to downtown Boston and average 25-35 fps. Or I can be in Concord and hit 60. Wildness. 60. Inside any building, 60. But there are spots on my map that simply do not play well. Jamaica Plains for one, I can walk into Jamaica Plains and my fps will tank to 9-11. For what reason I am completely unaware of.

 

And this problem persists for me whether or not I use my vanilla save, or my modded save that is at the 255 plugin limit.

 

Good luck on your search for parts, just dont put a lot of faith that they are going to work miracles. Almost any other game I play, I am capped at 60fps and can hold that easily, but Fallout 4 drags my hardware around by it's hair and calls it dirty names.

[Augh3d]

While I'm aware it's pretty likely I'll get witch hunted for saying it, that happens mostly anyway so here goes;

 

True Storms. I was running this since it came out, so it was always an unchanging part of my install and so I'd factor stuff around it. I decided to get rid of it week or so ago, I was fairly alarmed to note the difference in general performance even on a reasonable machine. Yes, your issues seem to be largely from a not entirely suitable PC, but this is just another reason why anything you do to try and bootstrap your game's performance isn't going to help beyond a certain point. What I'm trying to avoid saying flat out is; True Storms is probably hogging more resources than you'd like to comfortably imagine. Gamebryo is already an absolute pig under the best of conditions, throw in a dubious rig, and then plaster TS on top of that, and you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Your mileage may vary, someone is guaranteed to get mad and/or take it personally, etc etc. That's just how it goes. I'd ditch True Storms immediately if you want Fallout to sort of work in the meantime. It's very pretty, yes. It's very costly, yes.