SSE CTD on Save After Hours of Gameplay

[Arumath]

I am having the same issue In fact this is the second time with SSE that it has started happening. In fact last time I completley rippedo ut SSE and redid my load order from scratch.

 

The first time was only with a couple dozen mods not the 107 I have on this profile

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
7 7 EFFCore.esm
8 8 Campfire.esm
9 9 Cutting Room Floor.esp
10 a static mesh improvement mod se.esp
11 b EnneadCloaks.esp
12 c 50 More Perk Points.esp
13 d Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
14 e Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
15 f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Darker.esp
16 10 SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp
17 11 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
18 12 iNeed.esp
19 13 iNeed - Extended.esp
20 14 MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
21 15 OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp
22 16 Beasts of Tamriel.esp
23 17 Original Opening Scene.esp
24 18 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
25 19 Eli_Breezehome.esp
26 1a OpulentThievesGuild.esp
27 1b Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
28 1c practice dummies.esp
29 1d Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
30 1e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
31 1f PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
32 20 Northern Steel.esp
33 21 Better Vampire NPCs.esp
34 22 OwnCivilWar.esp
35 23 BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp
36 24 Cloaks.esp
37 25 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
38 26 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
39 27 Inigo.esp
40 28 Immersive Patrols II.esp
41 29 Complete Pack.esp
42 2a WindstadMine.esp
43 2b Hunterborn.esp
44 2c Frostfall.esp
45 2d PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
46 2e draugrweap_repl_de.esp
47 2f The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
48 30 magic of the magna-ge.esp
49 31 HoldBorderBanners.esp
50 32 Convenient Horses.esp
51 33 ThievesGuildTrapDoor_Open Cities.esp
52 34 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
53 35 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
54 36 XPMSSE.esp
55 37 Beards.esp
56 38 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
57 39 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
58 3a Simple AUA.esp
59 3b Dr_Bandolier.esp
60 3c dd - enhanced blood main.esp
61 3d acquisitivesoulgemmultithreaded.esp
62 3e Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp
63 3f ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
64 40 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L1.esp
65 41 Brighter toggleable Candlelight and Torches.esp
66 42 EFFDialogue.esp
67 43 Unique Uniques.esp
68 44 PerkPointsPerLevel.esp
69 45 MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
70 46 FireBurns.esp
71 47 DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp
72 48 ImperialFineClothes_replacer.esp
73 49 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
74 4a DragonRemains_SSE.esp
75 4b IndividualShoutCooldowns.esp
76 4c ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
77 4d HarvestOverhaul_Redone_Creatures.esp
78 4e HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
79 4f icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
80 50 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
81 51 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
82 52 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp
83 53 1nivWICCloaks.esp
84 54 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
85 55 attack commitment movement speed fluid 3.esp
86 56 ogSplendorDragons.esp
87 57 Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
88 58 Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
89 59 Visible Favorited Gear.esp
90 5a Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp
91 5b LeatherBackpackStraps-100.esp
92 5c ColovianFurClothes.esp
93 5d ColovianNobleClothes.esp
94 5e ImperialFineClothes.esp
95 5f DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
96 60 Splendor-DDCse patch.esp
97 61 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
98 62 skyforgedWeapons.esp
99 63 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
100 64 Open Cities Skyrim.esp
101 65 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
102 66 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
103 67 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
104 68 RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
105 69 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
106 6a RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
107 6b Eli_Breezehome-Open_Cities-Patch.esp

 

Edited August 17, 2017 by Arumath

[squireoivanhoe]

Thanks Arumath. Unfortunately, there is no fix yet. Since this is the second time that this has happened for you, could you compare your save game files/mods/lengths just to help whittle down the variables?

[Arumath]

I'll post what I remember I was just kind of goofing aroound with SE at that point mostly seeign if it was worthit ot make the move form oldrim.

 

On that save I broke one of the caridnal rules of modding changing mods fairly willy nilly. I don't think I cacutlaly hadthat many hours into the character I started in windhelm did some rndom quests walked to riften did a side quest or twothen drklight tower. At that point I madethe ciruit acorsstherift and up thorugh whiterun and backto windhelm then waso ff to solitude and started crashign aorundthe robber's gorge area.

 

On the current character I have many many nore hours in and the CTD began at the throat of the world after season unending.

 

Mods in the first run thorugh that I remember:

 

Static mesh improments

the unofficial patch

alternate start

better vampires

xp32 skeleton

fnis

open cities

orinator

imperious

Aurora stnading stones

campfire

magical college of winterhold

apocalpyse spells

Sacrosanct was added then removed as the patch to work with BV didn't seem to be working

 

 

Those are the ones I remember all done with mostly Bethesda net.

 

Ugh sorry for the typos it's 3am and I cna't sleep but not that awake either :(

Edited August 18, 2017 by Arumath

[squireoivanhoe]

Thanks Arumath, the more data the better.

[Arumath]

I might have found the culprit and if so it's not our mods.

 

In the character selection screen when laoding a game I found 3 seprate instances of Zigfried my character and they appear to be at difrent stages. It may happen when doing a named console save or other hard save.

 

I've never been one to turst autosaves so in all Bethesda games i've always made named saves using the console.

 

Unfortunately Skyrim saves are numbered not named anyone know how to tell what save goes to what character? I believe it's the first set of numbers hmm...

Edited August 19, 2017 by Arumath

[squireoivanhoe]

Arumath, I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm fairly certain that it's not mods, as the only mods that we've all had in common are very common mods and well-supported mods such as the unofficial patch and better vampires, for which hundreds of other people would have the same problem. It does seem to be some problem with the saving function itself, I just have no idea how to fix something like that.

[squireoivanhoe]

Bad news everyone. My new stave that I started from scratch has reached 103 hours, and started crashing again. So, even starting over doesn't seem to fix it.

[squireoivanhoe]

Hi folks,

 

Thanks to some help from the fantastical markdf, we think that we've identified something significant. Looking at the ActiveScripts in the save, I had two hundred and ninety three scripts actively running for woodpeckers, and there are twenty eight thousand script instances for SkyBirds related stuff. This isn't to bash SkyBirds, but in conjunction with my other mods that is way too many active scripts. None of the rest of you had SkyBirds, but I think that this symptom is simply the result of ANY combination of mods that generate too many actively running scripts. What it comes down to is that when there are too many actively running scripts, Papyrus doesn't have enough time to terminate them when they are finished... and so they start accumulating without limit.

 

markdf also indicated some slight concerns (purely speculation, but at this point speculation is better than nothing) about Footprints and Wet and Cold. Again, not that these mods are buggy, but rather that in combination it might be too much for the engine to handle.

 

You can use markdf's supremely excellent Fallrim Tools http://www.nexusmods...ion/mods/5031/? to check out your savefile. I was able to salvage a save that was only 2.5 hours into the game utilizing the following technique:

 

1. Move to an interior area (since there are no birds in interiors).

2. Wait ten minutes (real time, not in-game time).

3. Save, quit.

4. Uninstall skybirds (or whatever mod has too many actively running scripts).

5. Load that save.

6. Wait ten minutes (real time, not in-game time).

7. Save again, to a new slot.

8. Load the new savefile in ReSaver, delete unattached instances, save to a new file.

9. Try to play normally from that save... using LAL-loading if necessary.

[BlueGunk]

This is a bit off the cuff, but do you remember the Oldrim "Kill Player" sequence that would retrieve a game where saving would cause instant CTD? Have you tried that? Apparently it reset player inventory or something similar and tidied up errors that had crept in over saves.

 

The sequence was:

1. Load an older save (as long as it doesn't have CTD on save glitch, then load it)
2. Create a NEW save
3. Type in player.kill in the console menu
4. Save the game [i added this because I thought I had to]
5. Load your latest save (the one that had CTD glitch)
6. Type in player.kill
7. When it loads back up, Try saving again.

[squireoivanhoe]

Hi BlueGunk,

 

Yes, the player.kill method has been tried (LAL-loading includes all of these steps, but doesn't address the issue of a mod generating too many actively running scripts). Thanks for trying though!