Some concerns about the community

[Perraine]

All of this has been discussed to death in several other threads. Do we really need another one going for 200+ pages?

[Nilanius]

Well I can pretty much tell the following from this thread:

 

1) Nexus thinks it's okay to censor critics, reviewers, commentary and anything thus, they allow mod authors to pull what Digital Homicide tried with Jim Sterling, only they went after a reviewer, who doesn't have the money to goto court. Bullying 101 - Target those who you know can't fight back.

2) With what I been seeing, I see no need to further discuss this issue. And if ever another site comes out that can evenly compete with Nexus, I'd use it.

3) People need to understand, reviewers have existed since the birth of artwork. It's a protected right. Reviewers do not need peoples permission to review their work. They don't need movie producers permission to review and critic a movie. They don't need the song artists permission to review their song. They don't need a game developers permission to review their game. And reviewers do NOT need permission of mod authors to review their mods. This is a protected right, and people who are against that, I want nothing to do with their mods.

4) I still maintain, if you don't want your mods reviewed, criticized or commented on outside nexus, then don't put your mod out to the public. That simple.

 

I am going to state one more time, when something is put out to the public, the public is going to have opinions. And quite a few of those, will end up as reviews somewhere on the internet. Be it youtube, twigger, facebook, a blog, a review website, any social media, it's going to end up talked about. And if that makes you lose sleep, then you have no business releasing stuff to the public. That mod author hurt her own image hands down. Quite a huge chunk of the community hates her. That's not on MxR, that's a result of actions she took. She's on my block list permanently. And friends I've spoken to who don't post on nexus' forums, also said they did the same. The damage is done, and is not repairable.

 

And again the question pops: "What happened to making mods for fun for the community?" Like it or not, youtube is part of the community. Mod authors that are hostile to reviewers, will get their wish of not having their mods downloaded. They will likely also end up popular in the wrong way. That's going to be a risk such mod authors take when they target reviewers with fraudulent DMCA strikes. As for me? I am done. I am going to bow out and just focus on playing skyrim, talking with friends about skyrim and the good mods I have. And I will continue watching reviewers and lets players. Later.

[JUNKdeLUXE]

I'm sure the mod author is really sad that she will be blocked by people from a community that has threatened to kill her.

 

Come on and grow up and find something intelligent to spend your time on, Nilanius.

[Deleted82156User]

He may not have access to the mod author forum, and that's the problem here.

I looked at his mods before posting, pretty sure he does.

 

 

Well I can pretty much tell the following from this thread:

 

1) Nexus thinks it's okay to censor critics, reviewers, commentary and anything thus,

 

Wow, you came in here with one mindset, to defend Mxr, refuse to listen to the other side of the story and leave with threats. Nexus hasn't done any such thing, you are not aware of the agenda that person has against Nexus itself and them taking every opportunity to poison people against Nexus. The owner here has every right to not welcome such behavior here.

 

that's not on MxR, that's a result of actions she took.

 

 

The mod author tried everything NOT to create trouble for Mxr, but Mxr outright refused to give some basic respect back to the very people whose work he makes his living from. Mxr has three times roused up his audience in an effort to make them go and get themselves banned from various sites, right now all this trouble IS on Mxr. He was the one that took it public with half stories about it, manipulating and purposely twistign the facts to keep the outrage going. There is NO court case. Despite Mxr's efforts to twist the facts, this whole thing was over and done with weeks ago. He had every opportunity to not get that strike and made a conscious choice to not have it removed.

 

 

 

That mod author hurt her own image hands down. Quite a huge chunk of the community hates her.

 

 

What 'image'!? You think mod authors care about some 'image'. Very few if any do. You can 'destroy' someones so called 'image' and still people download and use your mods. As one of the paid mod authors my download count hasn't dropped one bit, in fact it has gone up and I got far more efforts to 'boycott' me and ruin my 'image' then is going on with the mod author here.

 

Mxr's subscriber count of which maybe half is active right now, are a drop in the ocean compared to the user count on Nexus. So no I hardly think Mxr's fans going on a rampage because they bought into his manipulation of them and the facts, would make a difference at all to the number of users downloading that author's mods.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Guest

[soupdragon1234]

 

"What happened to just making mods for fun?"

 

 

 

It disappeared right about the time Bethesda said "we'd be happy to let authors make some coin from their efforts now". The users then extended mod authors the middle finger and said in not so many words "screw you".

 

Oh and since when was "making mods for fun" a dictat that was set in stone? Who set up this "rule" anyhow? The users decided, thats who. Not bethesda, not the authors, not even the Nexus. Just the users.

 

I'll tell you something else: the work I do for a living now, it started as a hobby. I was good at it. Then someone said to me "why don't you do it for a living?" and I said "why not? Thats a good idea." So I did. No-one turned around to me and started lecturing me on "Its supposed to be for fun! If you want to make money go somewhere else!" Because the arrogance would be breathtaking.

 

Oh and before anyone starts rabbiting on about their right to "free" mods its only free because Bethesda decided they didn't want people charging for them for now. Its up to them to change their stance at any time its not carved into tablets of stone, brought down from the mountain by Moses that "thou shalt have free mods, and you and your seed shall reap the benefits for evermore" that some users seem to think it is. Because thats just weapons grade balonium.

 

 

She's on my block list permanently. And friends I've spoken to who don't post on nexus' forums, also said they did the same. The damage is done, and is not repairable.

 

Oh dear. How sad. I'm sure she'll be devasted by this terrible news at the loss of your esteem Nilanius. How will she ever be able to live with herself? Truly a loss to us all.

Edited April 9, 2017 by soupdragon1234

[Yojimbo88]

Anyone who states that reviewing mods (using footage or not) isn't covered by fair use is unquestionably, irrefutably, objectionally wrong, at least by UK, Irish and US legal standards.

The mod author that claimed she spoke to her Lawyer and a Judge (lol) is flat out lying, at minimum about the "legal advice" she recieved and at most about everything, there is no case whatsoever in either jurisdiction the parties reside, the legal precedent isn't there and the legal semantics are clear as day, written in stone, and that doesn't change no matter how willfully ignorant/delusional individuals like Arthmoor seem to be, your personal interpretation of law isn't reality because you deem it so, MXR really could have called her bluff and embarassed the girl but he got scared and folded unfortunately.

[Lisnpuppy]

Anyone who states that reviewing mods (using footage or not) isn't covered by fair use is unquestionably, irrefutably, objectionally wrong, at least by UK, Irish and US legal standards.

 

The mod author that claimed she spoke to her Lawyer and a Judge (lol) is flat out lying, at minimum about the "legal advice" she recieved and at most about everything, there is no case whatsoever in either jurisdiction the parties reside, the legal precedent isn't there and the legal semantics are clear as day, written in stone, and that doesn't change no matter how willfully ignorant/delusional individuals like Arthmoor seem to be, your personal interpretation of law isn't reality because you deem it so, MXR really could have called her bluff and embarassed the girl but he got scared and folded unfortunately.

Embarrassed the "girl?"

 

If you are correct or not in your "judicial" opinion remains to be seen. However accusing someone of lying (unless perhaps you have had 24/7surveillance on her and know as fact she never spoke to legal counsel) and calling others names really do not help your case.

[RGMage2]

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MXR really could have called her bluff and embarassed the girl but he got scared and folded unfortunately.

My understanding of it is that MXR did call her bluff... and then he got scared and backed down when he found out she wasn't bluffing.

 

Her edge in this is that she had real lawyers on her side, not internet thread lawyers.

[AGreatWeight]

 

 

 

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Reread what my post actually says, where exactly did I state that "failing one makes something instantly not fair use"?

 

Read your post again. That is exactly, literally what you are saying.

 

 

You (and Mator) are misinterpreting a specific part of what I wrote, based on semantics. Maybe that is my fault for not being concise enough, or perhaps you're both just choosing to interpret it that way - that question arises primarily because of Mator's beliefs when it comes to mod authors asserting their rights.

To clarify, I was not stating that failing the first requirement would automatically mean that the video would fail them all and not fall under fair use.

So let's be clear. Because of the commercialization of the video, it would be very difficult to meet the first requirement of fair use (note that I don't say impossible) and it would likely fail to be met.*

Combined with the fact that the video is unequivocally in breach of the TOS/TOU (of the mod) that MXR initially agreed to when he downloaded & installed the mod, adds more weight to the first requirement not being met, as it (the video) infringes on the copyright of the mod.

Said infringement will also have an effect on the outcome of failure/success to meet the criteria of the other requirements (to one extent or another)

*bearing in mind that all cases relating to fair use are held on a case by case basis.

[Yojimbo88]

Oh look, two of my comments proving everyone wrong on their delusional interpretation of fair use have been deleted, seems like the mods clearly support one side of this discussion over the other.