Racial Tolerance or Just an Act?

[Skagens]

 

Also, if the job you're applying for lists Spanish as obligatory then it's obligatory. It's not discrimination, it's common sense. :laugh:

 

Yes it is, something we can finally agree on :smile:

Edited May 11, 2017 by Skagens

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

You're full of it.

 

Black Lives Matter organizes protests against institutionalized violence from police officers on minorities. They don't need to protest domestic violence because it is not institutionalized. You protest against institutions, not against individuals.

 

Did you know that whites mostly kill whites? :ohmy: Who knew! Well it's because you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know, generally who are in your own ethnicity.

 

So where are all the #Alllivesmatter people protesting white on white violence???

 

I am not talking about domestic violence. Not at all. I am talking about Black on Black violence. You know, blacks killing each other simply because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. BLM takes up the cause of ANY person of color killed by the police, regardless of circumstances. That makes claims that are not bore out by facts. They INCITE violence.

 

A cop shoots a white man. Nothing is in the news about it. No one riots. No one demands "justice".

 

A cop shoots a black man, no matter what the black man was doing at the time, there are protests, riots, and folks burning down and looting THEIR OWN neighborhoods. Where is the sense in that?

 

Cops actually shoot more white folks (2 to 1 ratio....) than black. Blacks committed 52% of murders from 1980, to 2008, yet they represent only 13% of the population. Now, does it come as any surprise that they represent a significant percentage of those killed by cops?

 

"Death by cop" accounts for about 1% of blacks killed by someone else. (regardless of circumstances) 97% of them are killed by other blacks. (not cops.) the remaining 2% fall into the "Other" category.

 

If BLM states (as their name implies) Black Lives Matter, then why are they NOT talking to the folks that account for the VAST MAJORITY of deaths? Other Blacks.

 

This is just another brand of racism perpetrated by non-whites.

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

 

I don't see "White Lives Matter" whining about cops killing whites either.

 

Whites represent just over half of murder victims. Blacks represent just over half of murderers. What does THAT tell you?

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

Wrong. I believe you're thinking of your people. Whites don't have the "hood" and "gang" mentality you often find in the black community.

 

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

More often than not, the police officer will use appropriate force depending on the situation. If a police officer shoots a white man, he probably had good reason to. If a police officer shoot a black man, he probably had good reason to. The reason police officers may seem to shoot more black people than they do white people is because you tend to commit more crime. Sorry if this makes you upset.

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

And when the leftist has no arguments left, he goes full retard. Good job.

 

What do you mean "your people"? You mean humans? To quote you two pages ago "You don't even know any of us. You don't know who we are, where we live and what any of us has experienced, and yet you have the nerve to judge us because we don't agree with you?" My family is predominantly English, Polish and German but good job showing your hand at how you're supposedly not racist. :teehee:

 

If you don't believe me regarding crime, look it up. White people kill more white people than any other race. Even more so than blacks kill blacks. Clearly there is a problem with white on white violence! :laugh:

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

 

 

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

You're full of it.

 

Black Lives Matter organizes protests against institutionalized violence from police officers on minorities. They don't need to protest domestic violence because it is not institutionalized. You protest against institutions, not against individuals.

 

Did you know that whites mostly kill whites? :ohmy: Who knew! Well it's because you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know, generally who are in your own ethnicity.

 

So where are all the #Alllivesmatter people protesting white on white violence???

 

I am not talking about domestic violence. Not at all. I am talking about Black on Black violence. You know, blacks killing each other simply because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. BLM takes up the cause of ANY person of color killed by the police, regardless of circumstances. That makes claims that are not bore out by facts. They INCITE violence.

 

A cop shoots a white man. Nothing is in the news about it. No one riots. No one demands "justice".

 

A cop shoots a black man, no matter what the black man was doing at the time, there are protests, riots, and folks burning down and looting THEIR OWN neighborhoods. Where is the sense in that?

 

Cops actually shoot more white folks (2 to 1 ratio....) than black. Blacks committed 52% of murders from 1980, to 2008, yet they represent only 13% of the population. Now, does it come as any surprise that they represent a significant percentage of those killed by cops?

 

"Death by cop" accounts for about 1% of blacks killed by someone else. (regardless of circumstances) 97% of them are killed by other blacks. (not cops.) the remaining 2% fall into the "Other" category.

 

If BLM states (as their name implies) Black Lives Matter, then why are they NOT talking to the folks that account for the VAST MAJORITY of deaths? Other Blacks.

 

This is just another brand of racism perpetrated by non-whites.

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

 

I don't see "White Lives Matter" whining about cops killing whites either.

 

Whites represent just over half of murder victims. Blacks represent just over half of murderers. What does THAT tell you?

 

It tells me that you need to go back to school and learn arithmetic. In 2013, 2,509 white people killed other white people. 458 white people killed non-whites. 2,245 black people killed other blacks. 57 black people killed those of other race. We can sit here and argue about proportions but clearly white people have a problem with killing people in general. Black on black crime is a problem, no one can deny but it is disproportionately represented while white on white crime is even worse.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

You're full of it.

 

Black Lives Matter organizes protests against institutionalized violence from police officers on minorities. They don't need to protest domestic violence because it is not institutionalized. You protest against institutions, not against individuals.

 

Did you know that whites mostly kill whites? :ohmy: Who knew! Well it's because you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know, generally who are in your own ethnicity.

 

So where are all the #Alllivesmatter people protesting white on white violence???

 

I am not talking about domestic violence. Not at all. I am talking about Black on Black violence. You know, blacks killing each other simply because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. BLM takes up the cause of ANY person of color killed by the police, regardless of circumstances. That makes claims that are not bore out by facts. They INCITE violence.

 

A cop shoots a white man. Nothing is in the news about it. No one riots. No one demands "justice".

 

A cop shoots a black man, no matter what the black man was doing at the time, there are protests, riots, and folks burning down and looting THEIR OWN neighborhoods. Where is the sense in that?

 

Cops actually shoot more white folks (2 to 1 ratio....) than black. Blacks committed 52% of murders from 1980, to 2008, yet they represent only 13% of the population. Now, does it come as any surprise that they represent a significant percentage of those killed by cops?

 

"Death by cop" accounts for about 1% of blacks killed by someone else. (regardless of circumstances) 97% of them are killed by other blacks. (not cops.) the remaining 2% fall into the "Other" category.

 

If BLM states (as their name implies) Black Lives Matter, then why are they NOT talking to the folks that account for the VAST MAJORITY of deaths? Other Blacks.

 

This is just another brand of racism perpetrated by non-whites.

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

 

I don't see "White Lives Matter" whining about cops killing whites either.

 

Whites represent just over half of murder victims. Blacks represent just over half of murderers. What does THAT tell you?

 

It tells me that you need to go back to school and learn arithmetic. In 2013, 2,509 white people killed other white people. 458 white people killed non-whites. 2,245 black people killed other blacks. 57 black people killed those of other race. We can sit here and argue about proportions but clearly white people have a problem with killing people in general. Black on black crime is a problem, no one can deny but it is disproportionately represented while white on white crime is even worse.

 

Ok, lets see here.

 

Whites make up 64% of the population. Blacks make up about 13%. We get a total of approximately 3000 white murderers. We get approximately 2300 black murderers. Hmmmmm, It appears that blacks are disproportionately represented among murderers when looking at the population as a whole.

 

Now, who is bad at math?

Edited May 12, 2017 by HeyYou

[Aurielius]

<snip>

You're asking the wrong person. Ask the OP of this thread who argues that Hispanics shouldn't speak Spanish in places such as the American South West. I mean, you do realize much of this region has only been under U.S. control for roughly 170 years. This region has literally been part of Spain and Mexico longer than it's been American. It's pretty respectless to come here and demand they adapt to speak English instead. Also, if the job you're applying for lists Spanish as obligatory then it's obligatory. It's not discrimination, it's common sense. :laugh:

 

By that logic we should be learning Iroquois, Sioux, Cheyenne, Cherokee and Navajo 'et al' since they were in charge for several hundred years prior to our arrival on the scene. The common sense part is that being Multi-Lingual is an advantage in general. I cannot fathom the reasoning that lead to the conclusion but the conclusion does make sense, it's simply good manners to speak the indigenous language in an area if possible. However there is a difference between voluntary courtesy and something being mandatory, there I part company with you. English has been the de facto language of the US since it's inception, we have required speakers of all other ethnic language groups to learn it as part of the assimilation process not the other way around.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

You're full of it.

 

Black Lives Matter organizes protests against institutionalized violence from police officers on minorities. They don't need to protest domestic violence because it is not institutionalized. You protest against institutions, not against individuals.

 

Did you know that whites mostly kill whites? :ohmy: Who knew! Well it's because you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know, generally who are in your own ethnicity.

 

So where are all the #Alllivesmatter people protesting white on white violence???

 

I am not talking about domestic violence. Not at all. I am talking about Black on Black violence. You know, blacks killing each other simply because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. BLM takes up the cause of ANY person of color killed by the police, regardless of circumstances. That makes claims that are not bore out by facts. They INCITE violence.

 

A cop shoots a white man. Nothing is in the news about it. No one riots. No one demands "justice".

 

A cop shoots a black man, no matter what the black man was doing at the time, there are protests, riots, and folks burning down and looting THEIR OWN neighborhoods. Where is the sense in that?

 

Cops actually shoot more white folks (2 to 1 ratio....) than black. Blacks committed 52% of murders from 1980, to 2008, yet they represent only 13% of the population. Now, does it come as any surprise that they represent a significant percentage of those killed by cops?

 

"Death by cop" accounts for about 1% of blacks killed by someone else. (regardless of circumstances) 97% of them are killed by other blacks. (not cops.) the remaining 2% fall into the "Other" category.

 

If BLM states (as their name implies) Black Lives Matter, then why are they NOT talking to the folks that account for the VAST MAJORITY of deaths? Other Blacks.

 

This is just another brand of racism perpetrated by non-whites.

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

 

I don't see "White Lives Matter" whining about cops killing whites either.

 

Whites represent just over half of murder victims. Blacks represent just over half of murderers. What does THAT tell you?

 

It tells me that you need to go back to school and learn arithmetic. In 2013, 2,509 white people killed other white people. 458 white people killed non-whites. 2,245 black people killed other blacks. 57 black people killed those of other race. We can sit here and argue about proportions but clearly white people have a problem with killing people in general. Black on black crime is a problem, no one can deny but it is disproportionately represented while white on white crime is even worse.

 

Ok, lets see here.

 

Whites make up 64% of the population. Blacks make up about 13%. We get a total of approximately 3000 white murderers. We get approximately 2300 black murderers. Hmmmmm, It appears that blacks are disproportionately represented among murderers when looking at the population as a whole.

 

Now, who is bad at math?

 

You are still, I'm sorry but the numbers show a white person is more likely to be murdered by a white. :confused: So in a gun happy state like Michigan, you better watch your back. Maybe you can blame it on Obama like you do with healthcare... I mean, roughly 20 million more insured but you're still complaining it's a bad thing.

 

 

<snip>

You're asking the wrong person. Ask the OP of this thread who argues that Hispanics shouldn't speak Spanish in places such as the American South West. I mean, you do realize much of this region has only been under U.S. control for roughly 170 years. This region has literally been part of Spain and Mexico longer than it's been American. It's pretty respectless to come here and demand they adapt to speak English instead. Also, if the job you're applying for lists Spanish as obligatory then it's obligatory. It's not discrimination, it's common sense. :laugh:

 

By that logic we should be learning Iroquois, Sioux, Cheyenne, Cherokee and Navajo 'et al' since they were in charge for several hundred years prior to our arrival on the scene. The common sense part is that being Multi-Lingual is an advantage in general. I cannot fathom the reasoning that lead to the conclusion but the conclusion does make sense, it's simply good manners to speak the indigenous language in an area if possible. However there is a difference between voluntary courtesy and something being mandatory, there I part company with you. English has been the de facto language of the US since it's inception, we have required speakers of all other ethnic language groups to learn it as part of the assimilation process not the other way around.

 

Oops, too late, white people already murdered most of the cultures you mentioned... :sad: Nice red herring but I only stated that someone shouldn't cry reverse racism to the Spanish language being a job requirement in many areas which were historically Spanish. :thumbsup:

 

[Fatalmasterpiece]

The irony of white privileged people whining about the negative impacts from other races on a forum dedicated to specialized escapism is beautifully dystopian.

[montky]

my fellow nexites;

I don't see "whining".

the odd tangential ad hominem here and there, which are always unfortunate to see.

 

what follows is a brief reflection orbiting

some of what has been discussed up to post #108 of this thread.

 

 

 

I see folks having a discussion, a very rare thing in these times and climes,

and navigating their way through

the Toynbee-Huntington thesis, sRFRA's, causality & agency,

philosophy of mind, theory of mind,

sovereignty, the ship-of-theseus paradox inherent in nationstatecraft, and futures.

seeing people discuss differential fecundity gerrymander is intriguing.

it seems a fixating point of this discussion...

 

these are inherently complex issues and hypotheticals.

you could spend a lifetime or several trying to study and model all of this,

J Sacks Dignity of Difference,

and still be no closer to 'applied practical understandings" etc.

i intend to study these such things for as long as I am able, they are fascinating

these may be "wicked problems" - so called as they are ineffable or intractable and "unsolvable" inherently.

this is one of the 'great debates' - like nature v nurture, neo-meliorists or cornucopians v neo-malthusians.

let us not forget the passions these are prone to, much less people's propensity to text-rage etc.

 

this is entirely the "misreaction to malpercepts" thing R Zubrin was talking about...

or the touchstones that J Campbell wrote about...

 

monopartite, tripartite, n'th-partite.

people, if you will.

if Seneca Cliff, Anthropocene etc are held to be true...

all will be impacted by that, irrespective of where on the pale-blue dot we happen to be.

incidentally, no one requires a cosmopolitan to impose that which we all already know,

that we are the only yet known sentient life all on this pale blue dot...

nature does not give one iota about "the games that people play". E Berne, '64.

 

 

 

I look forward to this discussion continuing,

as a productive dialogue and contemplation of those things,

with fewer ad hominems, and more logos

[Skagens]

 

 

 

What about WHITE on WHITE violence? They kill each other for any reason, because they are wearing the wrong color, or are in the wrong neighborhood, or in revenge for some perceived wrong. Seriously, white people kill more white people than black people kill black people. Look it up :laugh:

 

Wrong. I believe you're thinking of your people. Whites don't have the "hood" and "gang" mentality you often find in the black community.

 

 

If no one riots for a white man being shot by cops then that is the white communities problem. Sucks that they aren't standing up for themselves. So since this is something you care SO much about, what are you doing to fix it? Why are you not taking to the streets to stop the MAN from killing... the MAN!

 

More often than not, the police officer will use appropriate force depending on the situation. If a police officer shoots a white man, he probably had good reason to. If a police officer shoot a black man, he probably had good reason to. The reason police officers may seem to shoot more black people than they do white people is because you tend to commit more crime. Sorry if this makes you upset.

 

What are you doing about all the whites killed by whites, the most dangerous people to other whites? :teehee: Oh wait, you are so worried about what African American people are doing and calling them racist even though they lack the institutions necessary to do so. White on white violence needs to stop!!! :wacko: Poor white people being oppressed.

And when the leftist has no arguments left, he goes full retard. Good job.

 

What do you mean "your people"? You mean humans? To quote you two pages ago "You don't even know any of us. You don't know who we are, where we live and what any of us has experienced, and yet you have the nerve to judge us because we don't agree with you?" My family is predominantly English, Polish and German but good job showing your hand at how you're supposedly not racist. :teehee:

 

If you don't believe me regarding crime, look it up. White people kill more white people than any other race. Even more so than blacks kill blacks. Clearly there is a problem with white on white violence! :laugh:

 

 

You're posting pictures making fun of white people and their problems and don't seem to think white people can be oppressed. You trivialize the problems and seem to think white people have no right to talk about certain issues simply because they're "privileged". I made a judgement based on your posts since it's quite clear you are not the biggest fan of white people overall, which then lead me to believe that you are a black person, hence the "your people". Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Skagens