CTD when saving after merchant

[guatecastro]

Hey guys, I've been struggling with this issue long enough to make my first ever post here to ask for help.

 

I have a fairly heavily modded game going, almost level 20 with it, but I've been having to work around this problem where whenever I sell a lot of items to a merchant, my game will CTD afterwards when I attempt to save or it attempts to autosave.

I've installed everything with Mod Organizer, been running LOOT and WryeBash through it, but that doesn't seem to work. It's with pretty much all of the merchants, seemingly anywhere at any time. Sometimes I can get around it by investing in their store after selling a bunch of stuff, but that's it.

 

Here's my load order

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 Falskaar.esm
10 a ApachiiHair.esm
11 b ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
12 c EFFCore.esm
13 d Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
14 e MagicDuelReborn.esm
15 f SPERG.esm
16 10 moonpath.esm
17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
18 12 MolagBalsInferno.esm
19 13 RaceCompatibility.esm
20 14 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
21 15 SexLab.esm
22 16 PubicMeshColorRE.esm
23 17 HighResTexturePack01.esp
24 18 HighResTexturePack02.esp
25 19 HighResTexturePack03.esp
26 1a SkyUI.esp
27 1b AchieveThat.esp
28 1c AHZmoreHUD.esp
29 1d Animated Dragon Wings.esp
30 1e Animations.esp
31 1f DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
32 20 vAutosaveManager.esp
33 21 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
34 22 brawlbug-plugin.esp
35 23 CannabisUpdate.esp
36 24 Convenient Horses.esp
37 25 Dragon Knowledge Spell.esp
38 26 EnchantedArsenal.esp
39 27 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
40 28 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
41 29 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
42 2a UIExtensions.esp
43 2b towConversation.esp
44 2c Footprints.esp
45 2d iActivate.esp
46 2e Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
47 2f iHUD.esp
48 30 ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp
49 31 kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers MCM.esp
50 32 kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp
51 33 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
52 34 mintylightningmod.esp
53 35 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
54 36 Beards.esp
55 37 AK- Placeable Statics.esp
56 38 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
57 39 Headtracking.esp
58 3a chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
59 3b PumpingIron.esp
60 3c RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
61 3d RaceMenu.esp
62 3e RaceMenuPlugin.esp
63 3f ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
64 40 ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
65 41 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
66 42 SOS - Leito Addon.esp
67 43 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
68 44 SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp
69 45 SmartCast_1_0.esp
70 46 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
71 47 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
72 48 SPERG-DB.esp
73 49 SPERG-DG.esp
74 4a SPERG.esp
75 4b SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp
76 4c SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp
77 4d The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
78 4e Babette.esp
79 4f When Vampires Attack.esp
80 50 SOSRaceMenu.esp
81 51 XPMSE.esp
82 52 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
83 53 3DNPC.esp
84 54 DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp
85 55 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
86 56 ELFXEnhancer.esp
87 57 RealShelter.esp
88 58 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
89 59 Birdsofskyrim.esp
90 5a Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
91 5b Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
92 5c BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
93 5d FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
94 5e SkyrimSewers.esp
95 5f Inigo.esp
96 60 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
97 61 Religion.esp
98 62 Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
99 63 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
100 64 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
101 65 Immersive Weapons.esp
102 66 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
103 67 LeftHandRings.esp
104 68 Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp
105 69 RSPatch.esp
106 6a SFO - Dragonborn.esp
107 6b Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
108 6c SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp
109 6d banditmodfinalversion.esp
110 6e BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp
111 6f DeadlyDragons.esp
112 70 EFFDialogue.esp
113 71 dragonnests.esp
114 72 moonpath_questdata.esp
115 73 Populated Cities 2.esp
116 74 Immersive Patrols II.esp
117 75 HothFollower.esp
118 76 Dovabear.esp
119 77 ELFX - Moonpath.esp
120 78 SexLab Romance.esp
121 79 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
122 7a ForgottenCity.esp
123 7b HothFollower UFO Patch.esp
124 7c QuickStart3_NoHelmet.esp
125 7d Jennifer.esp
126 7e AwpSylvanas.esp
127 7f UltimateDragons.esp
128 80 WheelsOfLull.esp
129 81 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
130 82 SOS - Shop.esp
131 83 notice board.esp
132 84 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
133 85 Aethernautics.esp
134 86 summersetisles.esp
135 87 Cannabis.esp
136 88 Equipping Overhaul.esp
137 89 FNISspells.esp
138 8a vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
139 8b Bandit.esp
140 8c Quick Start - Skip the Opening Sequence.esp
141 8d Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
142 8e Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
143 8f 3DNPCEFF.esp
144 90 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
145 91 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
146 92 Anal Torch.esp
147 93 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
148 94 Natural Lighting and Atmospherics.esp
149 95 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
150 96 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Thanks!

[ymf331]

running loot won't fix a mod conflict. this video tells how to use tesvedit to find them:

 

https://youtu.be/rqAvJKGdPbU

Edited May 28, 2017 by ymf331

[LeddBate]

My first guess is that, based on the info that it happens after you sell a lot of stuff to a merchant, is that you may be looking at script issues. Are your saves bloating? That is, using a LOT of storage? If so, that's an indication that your load order has conflicts despite LOOTing it.

 

Have you been un-installing mods? This can also lead to save bloat and instability.

 

Since you already seem to know the basic troubleshooting procedures, I'll pass along an advanced list. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

 

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

[guatecastro]

Thanks for the speedy replies, guys!

 

Well, I don't think I've deleted any mods since reinstalling and rebuilding my game and starting a fresh story, but as far as bloated saves? Probably... I don't know how to check, but autosaves freeze me up for a good 2 or 3 seconds every time. I hope there's a way to clean up my save game. I'd really rather not start over now.

 

I guess it's time to finally delve into this dreaded tes5edit thing, it's always seemed so daunting but if it'll make my skyrim run smoothly...

 

Is there any known issue related to CTDs after selling or trading a lot of items? Sometimes it even happens when I trade with followers.