warlord24 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I wonder what the price for each credit will be? judging by how many credits the person has in the example picture on page 3, 10 dollars for 1600? so 0.50$ for a dwarven mudcrab? I don't remember the prices on mods last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMB92 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 At the end of the day if you create something that can make money, you leave no stone unturned to maximise your return. But where does the moral line get drawn these days. This here is Capitalism 101. Rich get richer while little man accepts crumbs for his hard yakka, which he must accept unless he too is loaded. I think there should be better laws for content creators, anyone involved in the creation of something should be awarded a fair share of the pie. This world is so f'ed in that regard and its because of capitalism. Climb the ladder to success, a ladder made of people you have to step on. Anyway getting a bit deep there, I guess we all have to accept the good old days are gone now and its every man for himself, smash and grab style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlord24 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 At the end of the day if you create something that can make money, you leave no stone unturned to maximise your return. But where does the moral line get drawn these days. This here is Capitalism 101. Rich get richer while little man accepts crumbs for his hard yakka, which he must accept unless he too is loaded. I think there should be better laws for content creators, anyone involved in the creation of something should be awarded a fair share of the pie. This world is so f'ed in that regard and its because of capitalism. Climb the ladder to success, a ladder made of people you have to step on. Anyway getting a bit deep there, I guess we all have to accept the good old days are gone now and its every man for himself, smash and grab style. Comment removed. If you can't discuss things in a civilised manner then I suggest keeping quiet. -Jim_UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2xim Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I swear ill stop playing i can't get used to dlc's already and now microtransactions are flooding the whole industry no f***ing way that im accepting that.... I already consider the law shouldnt allow devs to make a profit out of additionnal content after they sold you a copy, now they are going to extent i wouldnt even had tought id see in nightmares.. I feel like as a custommers i am entitled to all the content since i *!%*Y!"*$/! paid 60-120$.. Seriously i can't think of any existing product where the seller is allowed to trade you incomplete product for your money(unless its spare parts for a car or something) They all sell empty broken games already and now these company's are trying to turn our heroes aggainst us with money.. Now not only we will get empty broken games we gonna f***ing pay surplus only so it get fixed.. They litterally gave themselves an incentive to keep reducing content in their games, why giving away good content if you can cut it and sell it incognito in microtransactions AKA creation club... E3 2017 is a disaster... I was all hyped for some RPG's announcement and now i feel like giving up on games... How hell... Do you own the game? You payed for it already? Good. Beth cares not about you. You won't play more Beth games? Beth don't care! Many others will. Wellcome to capitalism, friend! The company has no legal or moral obligation to you beyond the licence you agreed to when you installed/booted the game for the first time. -------------------------------------------------------- If you stop supporting mods on new games by not playing them, tho, you're hurting modders and the mod community and giving Beth an excuse to elliminate free (as in "anyone can do them") mods in their next games, killing the very thing that brings us here. Stop the kneejerk reactions, people. Beth needed a way to bring mods to PS4 and to be able to pay modders for outstanding jobs. This is the best way they found. Other companies take measures to prevent you from modding their proucts, Beth is willing to even pay you for it. You guys have been screaming you wanted to be paid, but when you're offered payment you reject it 'cause it's not on your terms? That's not even infantile, it's dumb. The only way this can be bad for modding is if we purposely try to kill it with reactions like this. They provided a platform to adress legal issues many modders have; if this is good or bad is in OUR hands. Be responsible towards the scene and make this a GOOD thing. We can blame Beth for effin' up in game, or for not doing proper support; we can't blame it for being a for-profit company or for trying to help us modders get paid for our work IF WE SO DESIRE. We have only OURSELVES to blame for how the community reacts and the consequences of our collective behaviour. nope theres no argument in life that could convince me i should pay more for less... and i don't understand how some of you litteraly ask to pay more.. when i read your stuff i feel like you work at bethesda not that you are a client looking for a good service... if everytime you look forward to buy a game you have money to waste to pay the content and the actual games individually you can make a donation to me! btw im not crazy i do know beth doesnt give any f*#@ if i alone stop buying their games... The thing is, im far from being alone being pissed at their buisness model, in fact i see more and more people actually waking up to these things, im just saying, if they want to disgust as much people as possible from videogames they are on the right track.. i think theres way more than MY wallet at stakes, this is aggressive marketing and everyone who realize that and risk quitting will probably keep his childrens away from games too.. And for godsake games are expensive and i live in NA theres country's where you actually pay triple the prices we have to get a game and it ain't even a complete one what do you think they will happilly pay triple the mod price now to enjoy all the gameplay elements they cut before release?!? This is nonsense if you think Bethesda or the quality of their games won't suffer from it.. when i think about that i dont even know why i answered you litterally promote paying more to have worst games theres nothing to argue about with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass1411 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) At the end of the day if you create something that can make money, you leave no stone unturned to maximise your return. But where does the moral line get drawn these days. This here is Capitalism 101. Rich get richer while little man accepts crumbs for his hard yakka, which he must accept unless he too is loaded. I think there should be better laws for content creators, anyone involved in the creation of something should be awarded a fair share of the pie. This world is so f'ed in that regard and its because of capitalism. Climb the ladder to success, a ladder made of people you have to step on. Anyway getting a bit deep there, I guess we all have to accept the good old days are gone now and its every man for himself, smash and grab style. "Anyway getting a bit deep there, I guess we all have to accept the good old days are gone now and its every man for himself, smash and grab style."I can't say for certain, but I'm turning 50 this year, and I'm fairly certain the good ol' days were gone before I was born! :) Seriously though, you're right that in the gaming world things were very different just 10 years ago. I just discovered that Nexus hosts ZooTycoon2 files, and I've talked to friends on Nexus about how different modding was back then. Maybe it's just nostalgia but I just don't remember there being the vile, hate and distrust that you see so often these days, people were just friendly most of us parents tweaking our kids games and it was so easy and fun to just collaborate with other people, and goodness money wasn't even a thought, you paid to host the files yourself or used the little free websites. Anyway I'll stop, this way off topic now. EDIT:@SMB92 I bet you made same mistake I just did and forgot that this particular thread is the public forum not the Mod Author's forum, as soon I saw Warlord24's response to your post I had to see what his great contribution has been, and that's when I realized where this thread is at on Nexus. EDIT #2 Thank You Jim_UK Edited June 12, 2017 by Glass1411 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlord24 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 alot of communists on this forum that don't like capitalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMB92 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 My bad, I thought this was a general discussion. I can still see my comment though? Just FYI I wasn't targeting anyone with my comment, I briefly saw something about capitalism on the previous page and made my mind run a bit wild. Apologies if anybody is offended. This site is my only social media account so to speak and Bethesda games are my alter ego, I feel rather passionately about these things. Didn't know jim_uk was a mod here these days, good to see regulars getting promoted :) Back to coding, no more thinking about the grim and inevitable future Edit: Lol thought I was the one in trouble. Anyway what i said still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
price4tyler Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 The problem that Bethesda also faces is that after eventually spending the 60 dollars on mods that could have been equated to another game, some people could decide that would be better spent towards an entirely new title than enhancements for one of the two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhondidfool Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I swear ill stop playing i can't get used to dlc's already and now microtransactions are flooding the whole industry no f***ing way that im accepting that.... I already consider the law shouldnt allow devs to make a profit out of additionnal content after they sold you a copy, now they are going to extent i wouldnt even had tought id see in nightmares.. I feel like as a custommers i am entitled to all the content since i *!%*Y!"*$/! paid 60-120$.. Seriously i can't think of any existing product where the seller is allowed to trade you incomplete product for your money(unless its spare parts for a car or something) They all sell empty broken games already and now these company's are trying to turn our heroes aggainst us with money.. Now not only we will get empty broken games we gonna f***ing pay surplus only so it get fixed.. They litterally gave themselves an incentive to keep reducing content in their games, why giving away good content if you can cut it and sell it incognito in microtransactions AKA creation club... E3 2017 is a disaster... I was all hyped for some RPG's announcement and now i feel like giving up on games... How hell... Do you own the game? You payed for it already? Good. Beth cares not about you. You won't play more Beth games? Beth don't care! Many others will. Wellcome to capitalism, friend! The company has no legal or moral obligation to you beyond the licence you agreed to when you installed/booted the game for the first time. -------------------------------------------------------- If you stop supporting mods on new games by not playing them, tho, you're hurting modders and the mod community and giving Beth an excuse to elliminate free (as in "anyone can do them") mods in their next games, killing the very thing that brings us here. Stop the kneejerk reactions, people. Beth needed a way to bring mods to PS4 and to be able to pay modders for outstanding jobs. This is the best way they found. Other companies take measures to prevent you from modding their proucts, Beth is willing to even pay you for it. You guys have been screaming you wanted to be paid, but when you're offered payment you reject it 'cause it's not on your terms? That's not even infantile, it's dumb. The only way this can be bad for modding is if we purposely try to kill it with reactions like this. They provided a platform to adress legal issues many modders have; if this is good or bad is in OUR hands. Be responsible towards the scene and make this a GOOD thing. We can blame Beth for effin' up in game, or for not doing proper support; we can't blame it for being a for-profit company or for trying to help us modders get paid for our work IF WE SO DESIRE. We have only OURSELVES to blame for how the community reacts and the consequences of our collective behaviour. nope theres no argument in life that could convince me i should pay more for less... and i don't understand how some of you litteraly ask to pay more.. when i read your stuff i feel like you work at bethesda not that you are a client looking for a good service... if everytime you look forward to buy a game you have money to waste to pay the content and the actual games individually you can make a donation to me! btw im not crazy i do know beth doesnt give any f*** if i alone stop buying their games... The thing is, im far from being alone being pissed at their buisness model, in fact i see more and more people actually waking up to these things, im just saying, if they want to disgust as much people as possible from videogames they are on the right track.. i think theres way more than MY wallet at stakes, this is aggressive marketing and everyone who realize that and risk quitting will probably keep his childrens away from games too.. And for godsake games are expensive and i live in NA theres country's where you actually pay triple the prices we have to get a game and it ain't even a complete one what do you think they will happilly pay triple the mod price now to enjoy all the gameplay elements they cut before release?!? This is nonsense if you think Bethesda or the quality of their games won't suffer from it.. when i think about that i dont even know why i answered you litterally promote paying more to have worst games theres nothing to argue about with you... Work at Beth? I whish! I wouldn't be unemployed! :D But I understand how money works, and how markets change. You may not like it, but liking things or not has very little to do with making money. Free mods are still going to be a thing, and nobody forces you to buy CContent. About Beth and the quality of their games... I don't see anyone else putting out highly and easily moddable large open-world games... maybe if they had any competition? Well, maybe it's bacause it's so effin' hard to do and costs more money than most companies are willing to spend on it? You know, capitalism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
price4tyler Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Although if the amount of money per credit ($10 for 10,000 for instance, however accurate or not that's actually gonna be) would make it pretty hard to compare the content of 60,000 "credits" to an entirely new game that might not be worth the same as what those credits would have added to either Fallout or Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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