[RANT] Growing entitlement of the Modding Community?

[gnarly1]

You have to consider the source. That particular author seems to think that beth can do no wrong, and he will defend pretty much anything they do, regardless of how stupid it is, or inconvenient for players. He fully believes that he is the only person that can possibly be right, and if you don't agree with him, he will resort to denigrating your intelligence, or various other subtle (or not so subtle) insults. Standard procedure for him. He can make a completely fallacious statement, that pretty much no one agrees with, but, he will defend his opinion to be the only correct one, till the end of time. He cannot possibly EVER be wrong. Arguing with him is pretty much a waste of time. It doesn't matter what you say, he will discount it, or ignore it completely. He is RIGHT! after all........ Hi is the FIRST person that made it to my ignore list, though I still do engage with him on occasion...... Generally much to my regret.

You're expecting a bit much from someone who issued a blanket apology on his Patreon account for his previous toxic behaviour in order to solicit donations from the community. Not that it helped much.

 

Oh and perhaps you have forgotten that he blamed Bethesda (amongst others) for the paid mods backdown, in fact he was rather venomous in this attack on them. So it's quite an about face that he shills for Beth now.

[Beriallord]

It's not the mod authors, it's the people using the mods who expect free stuff like it's some sorta human right or something. It's an attitude that's gotten increasingly more prevalent in the last 4-6 years. 15 years ago, if you showed up with an entitlement attitude, you'd probably get flamed, laughed at and ridiculed on the internet. You'd be mocked off the stage. That was my response to it as well. But those people are now protected, because doing that is now viewed as cyber bullying. Now that there are no social consequences among your peers for having this kinda attitude, people think it's normal to whine about not having easy access to more free stuff.

 

I think mod authors should be paid for their work, and people who create content having an expectation of being compensated for their creations are not entitled in my opinion. That's how the world works, and that's the backbone of how economies function on a base level. If you don't want to pay for a mod, nobody is forcing you to buy it.

 

Look, someone could hypothetically make a mod that looks like a low-effort cosmetic change, and charge $2 to download it. Even if I think it's ridiculous, I'm not gonna get butthurt over it and leave comments on their page and shame them for charging $2 for such a mod. I'm going to move on. Because nobody is forcing me to give them any money. If they figured out a way to get a bunch of people to pay $2 for a minor cosmetic change, then they earned it. The same way My Pillow Guy did when he convinced millions of people to pay $50-$100 for a pillow that cost him $2 to make.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Beriallord

[xrayy]

just to be clear: i'm not expecting anything, bethesda did a good job how they let participate gamer to mod a game. probably they were surprised how good it works.

the porblem is, they changed their mind to particpate in monetizing modding in a non optional approach while interfering with a well grown free modding community.

it is absolutely their right to do so (in 2017) but it means also they are about to destroy something nicely grown and making their games unique and desireable. i doubt that this way (and not correcting it) was a good idea.

[HeyYou]

just to be clear: i'm not expecting anything, bethesda did a good job how they let participate gamer to mod a game. probably they were surprised how good it works.

the porblem is, they changed their mind to particpate in monetizing modding in a non optional approach while interfering with a well grown free modding community.

it is absolutely their right to do so (in 2017) but it means also they are about to destroy something nicely grown and making their games unique and desireable. i doubt that this way (and not correcting it) was a good idea.

I'm a little confused here, not entirely sure what you are trying to say.

 

Paid mods 1.0 was completely optional. No one was being forced to put their mods behind a paywall, that was up to the author. And it was Valve that pulled the plug on that one. Paid mods 2.0 (creation club....) is a different financial arrangement, but, is only open to those that beth actually invites. Sorta. They pick and choose who gets to participate. I liked the original version better, but, I am sure that the current implementation makes beth more money.....

[xrayy]

the point for me is that the cc is integrated ingame and with all the related upates. even if i'm not interested in pay stuff the cc offers i have to download the content and i'm urged to install the related updates which have an impact on the functionality of skse and dependent free nexus mods. this means to me it is not optional and i'm urged to install something instead of getting an optional offer, sepatated from the game - just the same or a comparable way as nexus mods work.

[HeyYou]

I think I agree with you. :)

 

The CC updates are nothing but a nuisance so far as I am concerned. One of the reasons I have gone to great lengths to make sure my game doesn't update without my say so. If the updates actually fixed some of the still remaining bugs in the game, I would have less of an issue with it... but no. They are purely for accommodating CC content, which I don't use.

 

Of course, I am just not surprised that beth implemented a system that seems to be specifically designed to annoy their user base...... The methodology they used for CC content is idiotic, at best.... Unfortunately, I suspect it is going to be the prevailing condition for the foreseeable future of beth games.... Mores the pity. I won't be pre-ordering any games, and I won' buy them till they have been out for a year or so either..... At least that way, most of the truly glaring bugs will be fixed, and modders will have fixed even more. I don't see them cutting off the free modding scene anytime soon, that would be extremely counter-productive on their part. Of course, that in no way implies they won't do it...... Some of the decisions they have been making for the last decade or so are absolutely mind-boggling...... Makes me wonder about the sanity of the decision makers. :D