RIP from Free 2 play MMO is legal?

[mktsang]

Hi admins, I have recently submitted a ticket for some famed Modder using Free to Play Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game (MMORPG) materials as their mod resource, ie, textures.

 

And about a month now, there is no response. The said modder nor the said mod was disabled. I don't know if this modder is the original artist of that F2P MMO or F2P MMO stuff are really RIPable.

 

But since that MMO is released the game developer should hold the copy right of the said material, he should still be bannable

 

Can any admin give me a response please? Thanks

Edited March 6, 2012 by mktsang

[micalov]

Just general member response here, but yep even with free games the assets are still copyright protected. Did you actually provide any proof in the report the they were the actual texture out of curiosity? or did they just look similar, the staff really need proof, especially with some of the extremely talented molders out there, like the ppl from East Asia like Kurese and Zotman/Hentai who do a lot of Asian MMO style and Anime armors.

[mktsang]

Just general member response here, but yep even with free games the assets are still copyright protected. Did you actually provide any proof in the report the they were the actual texture out of curiosity? or did they just look similar, the staff really need proof, especially with some of the extremely talented molders out there, like the ppl from East Asia like Kurese and Zotman/Hentai who do a lot of Asian MMO style and Anime armors.

 

 

yes

MMO image below

 

 

http://img2.mmo.mmo4arab.com/vindictus/images/gallery/110426succubuswallpaper/succubusw03.jpg

 

 

 

does this look similar to a recent mod?

 

evidence wise, I have worked with this outfit before, so I know how the texture looks like

 

and I have provided a comparison of the original texture and the texture in the mod

 

 

 

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac19/mktsang2/1-1.jpg

 

 

the one on the left is the mod's texture, the one on the right is texture straight from the MMO through a series of decompile.

 

I have not edited any of the texture nor the screen shot. This is the version before 1dot 0

 

FYI, he actually uploaded a new file on February 3rd with the same name and reedited the texture

 

And the old file is set to hidden.

 

I actually have PM'd DarkeWolf, one of the staff on Nexus to ask for assistant on January 31st.

 

He told me to send a ticket to the staff, I did so on February 1st, and after that no response, I guess this modder is one step ahead of me.

[SavageArtistry]

So you're actively trying to get hentai (zotman12) banned for his Karlia armor? No sense in being anonymous if you're showing pics. I can't say anything about the mesh, but the texture looks like he just used the other as a base guide. A lot of texture artists will do that. The real question would be if the UV map was the same. Regardless, this issue is for the moderators.

[mktsang]

This is not my intention, but if you insist. There is this one thing called Justice, and I have not seen it served yet.

 

For what I have seen, some members were banned for release some RIP contents and yet this "One" modder who release this mod with suspicious content didn't fall under the consideration of admins is just outrageous.

 

And I have seen good people get punished, why a famed modder can escape this judgement?

 

One of the Hot Files from a week or two ago was a compilation of 7 idle animations made by the modder himself and yet he get banned, for a reason of providing media for downloading suspicious contents.

 

Why did he get banned? because his "contribution" to the community is neglectable?

 

And to your argument, a texture artist will make a knee boot texture that is similar to another knee boot texture from another game, and a mini skirt texture that is similar to a mini skirt texture from another game? I don't think so.

[Dark0ne]

Hentai (zotman) ended up remaking the assets in question from a previous mod of his from Oblivion. We checked the evidence provided and couldn't find anything conclusive, and we were happy with his handling of the situation. Case closed.

 

If the report doesn't get handled the way you like, or if you don't know a moderator has reviewed it, then PM a moderator and ask for more information. Bringing it out in public reeks of an ulterior motive.

[SavageArtistry]

I'm going to say one quick thing in response, then I'm leaving this alone.

 

mktsang, you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions and getting quite defensive from a simple statement on my part. I only said it looked like you're trying to get a certain person banned. I didn't say it was deserved or not deserved, nor did I say anything about justice. That is not my area here because this is not my site.

 

The second part of what I said is from experience because I am a texture artist. I just don't host my mods here, and my Poser textures have never been released. When I made the Gothic Breton face textures, I used an existing texture to line up the eyes, nose and lips, then deleted the guide texture so that all the data would be my work alone. If someone does that, it's no worse than tracing an outline. I doubt the MMO has copyright on shading and wrinkles and edges. It is possible that the MMO texture was used as a guide to show where to put those parts. Anyway, I'm just pointing out another possibility. I don't know the facts, and if the site owner says it's been dealt with to his satisfaction then who are we to argue?

[ziitch]

Mktsang, it looks like you've got a personal war going on with others, and I know why given the community you've came from - You've worked hard on many custom meshes before and you seem to only get slight notice from it, but when it comes to something like a rip or port of paid or copyrighted content, it gets a lot more notice, which makes it feel like your own efforts are pointless. They don't know the damage such an action can do, but you and I do as do many other modders who have to deal with the same thing.

 

Now, we really can't ignore it, but I think such a situation can be handled a different way. We (the modders) need to write a sort of statement explaining why rips and illegal ports are bad for the modding community, and let it be reviewed by several modders who take the same or different stance on such. Once the public reads it and considers what they really want, hopefully we will see less ripping and more recreating of those outfits instead. After all, with the recreation of a race or an outfit, you can do much more detail the original didn't have fleshed out.

 

And not to mention, there's a lot of modders here who have excellent 3D/texturing skills and can help you out if you're having trouble with something.

[DJdrummer]

Do these modders profit from their mods/ports? Are they getting regular income from it? Is the mod offending people? To the best of my knowledge the answers are no, no, and no. So what is your problem? Do you just enjoy giving others a hard time? Its a mod for A GAME! Its sole purpose is to aid the user in having MORE FUN! NOTHING ELSE! Are you just butthurt that more people download his mod than yours? Well guess what, the reason people download his mod is because they enjoy it. I'm sure if someone wanted your mod, they would just get your mod. Just play and let play!

[Fatalmasterpiece]

Don't know or care bout who's involved but If you look at those textures you can see there is a difference between similar and just using an altered texture. I've spent thousands of hours in PS and I'll say based on that, he used the original texture and just painted over top of it. You can still see remnants of the old texture above the miniskirt like the bottom of that light colored object on the top right of the frills he left there... Looks like reusing the assets to me.