CTD when engaging in combat.

[regwald]

K, I recently bought the latest version of Fallout 4, and thus had to re-install all my mods. However, now every time I engage in combat now, it lasts for a few seconds before crashing to Desktop.

 

This is my current load order as it stands now.

Fallout4.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

DLCCoast.esm

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

DLCNukaWorld.esm

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

Loads.esm

ArmorKeywords.esm

HUDFramework.esm

D.E.C.A.Y.esp

Glowing Eyes.esp

Raider Children.esp

Synth Overhaul.esp

Killable Children.esp

SuperMutantOverhaul.esp

Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp

Respawnable Legendary Bosses.esp

Hard Legendary Giant Creatures.esp

CUTE.esp

MAOC.esp

Skinning.esp

ManCoat.esp

NanoSuit.esp

Mercenary.esp

Heavy BoS.esp

NanoArmor.esp

SkinningWW.esp

Rangergearnew.esp

PanzerRiotarmor.esp

DX_Black_Widow.esp

WastelandFashion.esp

HN66-SiriusArmor.esp

EferasShoulderBag.esp

LongCoatVaultSuit.esp

Tactical Flashlights.esp

Gas Masks of the Wasteland.esp

Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp

WastelandFashionAccessories.esp

Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp

Survivalist GoBags-Chem Station.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

tank_PA.esp

Gipsy_PA.esp

08thTeam.esp

Liberty_PA.esp

EnclaveX02.esp

Hellfirenew.esp

combat_PA.esp

NX6-Avalon.esp

MidWest PA.esp

WarMachine.esp

0080 Gundam.esp

powerarmort49.esp

Realidad Crafting.esp

B35_PowerArmor.esp

BVS Power Armor.esp

The Space Marine.esp

Relic Space Marine.esp

BNPA_NAVI Armor.esp

KnightPowerArmor.esp

T-51C Power Armor.esp

standaloneconstruct.esp

InstitutePowerArmor.esp

SkyrimInspiredPowerArmor.esp

BioshockInspiredPowerArmor.esp

SubmersiblePowerArmorRedux.esp

Vault-Tec Power Armor by NewerMind43 & Captain-Ultima.esp

M9.esp

870.esp

P90.esp

P99.esp

M14.esp

P220.esp

hk 45.esp

Bozar.esp

mk14.esp

AN94.esp

R91M.esp

StG44.esp

MP40.esp

SVT40.esp

EBR10.esp

STG60.esp

Mosin.esp

Famas.esp

M2216.esp

M1014.esp

MP153.esp

USP 45.esp

Mauser.esp

WO-G3.esp

SCAR-L.esp

APMKV.esp

Ppsh 41.esp

Falcon3.esp

1918bar.esp

AEAR01.esp

WO-L96.esp

WO-G20.esp

WO-M82.esp

ASVektor.esp

WO-AK47.esp

Crossbow.esp

Dragunov.esp

WO-USAS.esp

M1Garand.esp

ColtM1911.esp

Jericho 941.esp

BryarPistol.esp

pipeshotty.esp

WO-ScarH.esp

zWInsanity.esp

10mmSMG.esp

TrenchGun.esp

Fusion Gun.esp

WaltherP38.esp

M1 Carbine.esp

GatlingRifle.esp

VarmintRifle.esp

UnionBlaster.esp

ClassicSniper.esp

LaserCannon.esp

alexHeroRifle.esp

PipeShotgun.esp

PlasmaSword.esp

tsuki no hana.esp

TCContender.esp

Plasma Cycler.esp

BlasTech E-11.esp

AssaultPhaser.esp

travelerspistol.esp

AssaultFlamer.esp

PlasmaGatling.esp

OTs-02 Kiparis.esp

SVI 2011 Series.esp

Family Mauser.esp

DOOMMerged.esp

WattzLaserGun.esp

10mmRevolver.esp

MMsLaserRCW.esp

LightsaberMod.esp

PlasmaCannon.esp

HeroesRevolver.esp

CrudeBlowback.esp

KaBarBeckerBK9.esp

KaBarBeckerBK3.esp

Remington 1858.esp

THSurvivorKnife.esp

Parang Machete.esp

mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp

AlienAssaultRifle.esp

GammaRepeater.esp

HuntingShotgun.esp

GS Benelli M3S90.esp

Bozar Single Shot.esp

TorchAndLantern.esp

MoritasBattleRifle.esp

RemoteExplosives.esp

Quad_Accelerator.esp

WhaleOilWeapons.esp

CryolaserPrototype.esp

MikeMooresMCAM.esp

HandmadeRevolver.esp

1_SrarWarsWeapons.esp

Quad_RAWLauncher.esp

SkibsWeapons-REDUX.esp

LegendaryEnergyBullet.esp

ChinaLakeandHolorifle.esp

GrenadeExpansionPack.esp

Wattz2000LaserRifle_BB.esp

AEAR01-UnofficialPatch.esp

CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp

Moddable Plasma Caster.esp

ColtDeltaElite_Standalone.esp

ColonialMarinesWeapons.esp

Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp

Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp

M2045MagnumRevolverRifle.esp

10mm Carbine - Combat Scopes - FH, NW.esp

Trinity Shotgun by NewerMind43 & Captain-Ultima.esp

Modern Firearms.esp

PIP-Pad.esp

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

PIP-Pad_Pip-BoyFlashlight.esp

SlowTime.esp

No Recoil V 0.3.esp

VisibleWeapons.esp

SurvivalOptions.esp

BuildYourOwnVault.esp

Lasers Have No Recoil.esp

Lever Action Reload Fix.esp

Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp

No Recoil For Far Harbor DLC.esp

3dscopes.esp

3dscopes-FarHarbor.esp

Buildable_PAFrames.esp

Crafting Workbench.esp

Craftable Armor Size.esp

3dscopes-framework.esp

3dscopes-NukaWorld.esp

Armorsmith Extended.esp

move that workbench!.esp

LegendaryModification.esp

PA_Overmodded_Edition.esp

3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp

Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp

CraftableGunsAndWeapons.esp

Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp

LegendaryModification Enhanced.esp

PA_Overmodded_Edition_FarHarbor.esp

PA_Overmodded_Edition_Automatron.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Far Harbor DLC.esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Nuka World DLC.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp

Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

WOTC.esp

BTInteriors_Project.esp

GSE_Legacy_Assets.esp

Dustbowl Overhaul.esp

plenty 'o' exploration.esp

The Sanctuary Bridge.esp

stumbleuponinteriors.esp

Nuka World Bottle Fix.esp

APC_Mobile_Base_v1.3.esp

No More f*#@ing Birds.esp

Scrap Everything - Core.esp

NEST_BUNKER_PROJECT.esp

PoisonedPurpleWaterFull.esp

DWUK_LexingtonInteriors.esp

FogOut - Exterior - All DLC.esp

subwayrunnnernodynamic.esp

WOTC - Experimental Fixes.esp

FogOut - Interiors - All DLC.esp

Remove Interior Fog - All Dlc.esp

InteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.esp

Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

No More Fake Puddles - Nuka World 1-0.esp

BrighterSettlementLights_ExtraBrightv1.1.esp

FO4LaserBolts.esp

Tracers - Light em up.esp

FO4LaserBolts - NormalRoyalBlue.esp

FO4LaserBolts - InstituteRoyalBlue.esp

Glorious_Glowing_Plasma_Weapons_by_Diranar.esp

DN Music.esp

DNMega.esp

DN Far Harbor.esp

CombinedExpansion4.1.esp

Now, I can do many other things in the game for many hours, and can even complete some quests as long as I run from all combatants, but that is one of the funner things to do in the game, I would rather not lose that ability, any suggestions.

[sopmac45]

Wow ... you are missing another 500 mods in your list ... lol ... well, sorry but even if you learn how to patch your game via F4edit, you still will have CTD because it has been advised from the WOTC's author, that CTD will happen by using that mod. The only way to avoid them is to access the cell where you are getting the CTD, from different direction but if your CTD's are happening as soon as you are getting in combat ( everywhere ), then I guess your problem is not just related to WOTC but to the heavy amount of mods in your game and that probably, they are conflicting to each other ....

 

.... you are posting your problem but you do not give any information about how powerful your rig is to handle such amount of mods, etc, etc, etc, ..... when a CTD happens, there might be dozens of reasons that are causing them, and they could be triggered perhaps because you are running something in the background, anti-virus software running, perhaps your rig is not that powerful, load order, too many mods conflicting to each other, lack of cleaning the master files, etc, etc.

 

... this game only support ( I think - and I have not even tried it ... ) 250 mods and I do not know how many you have in your list but my head is spinning when I see your list .... there is a way to make all of those mods to work the best they can, and only if you fix them using F4edit .... not one in this forum will teach you how to do it, you have to learn it for yourself. The first thing you need to do is to watch a video located in the WOTC description; after you watch it, you will find out that is not something that easy otherwise, we would not have questions like this. Learning how to patch a game is something not that simple and it will take you a while to learn it, probably months before you know it like the palm of your hand.

 

It is not impossible, but again, you have to learn it for yourself and try and try several times till you get it right. Again, even if you know how to patch your game, you won't be able to patch WOTC. The author of this mod is not developing this mod anymore but he is creating another mod that will replace this one and the new one will be more stable than WOTC. The new one will be ready probably by the end of the year.

 

I do have WOTC in my load order and I do not have any CTD at all .... but .... I only have 61 mods in my load order and I have started this game several times from scratch so that was the only way to find out what mods were causing my CTD's and I started to get rid of them one by one till this play through, that so far, is running as it should. My approach to play this game is based on simplicity : if I want to be in combat via WOTC ( and I believe that without this mod, this game is boring ) then I needed to get rid of some heavy mods that probably will conflict or over stress my rig to the point of crashing my game ... my game is not patched because again, that is something ( for now ) that I have not been able to learn how to work with. Good luck.

[regwald]

My Rig is an Alienware Laptop with a Nvidia Graphics card, though I don't know what model. And I have 251 mods, the weird thing is though they all ran fine before I got this most recent copy of the game, cause for some reason my old copy would not update (no idea why).

 

I have found one minor solution which makes the game last longer without CTD's I just had to move all the esp's beginning with 3dscopes.esp and ending with Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp, and it makes it so that my game doesn't crash right when battle starts, allowing me to play longer. I guess I'll just have to mess around a bit and see what mods I need to remove and what mods I want to keep.

Edited October 10, 2017 by regwald

[sopmac45]

I've never had a laptop so they never called my attention and I heard too many times people saying that laptops are not the best device to play a game, especially, when the game has been heavily modded. I think that you have answered your own question here.

 

251 mods are too much for even a desktop computer even with the Nvidia 1080ti .... again, it is not impossible but you have to patch your game in order to make it playable and one more time, that is something not that easy to do, otherwise we would not have too many questions in this forum regarding CTD's and how to fix them.

 

Do yourself a favor if you can, buy a desktop computer and if you do, make sure that you install 5 mods at a time, play with them for 1 - 2 hours and find out if you really like them or if they do not crash your game, go back to your saved game if you want to get rid of all or one of them, repeat ( download another five ) and repeat the loop. That way it is easier to find out which ones do you really like and which ones are causing issues, but if you download all of them at the same time, trust me, you will never be able to know which ones are causing the problem.

 

BTW, Scrap Everything is a mod that must be placed at the bottom of the load order. I think that you are not reading the mod description and posts. If you do not follow the author's recommendations about compatibility and load order, you won't be able to have kind of stable game. Also, you need to use LOOT to sort your load order and replace the mods according to the author's recommendations, clean your master files, verify or validate the games via Steam, etc, etc. ..... and last but not the least, watch the video located in WOTC mod description so you will understand better what I am trying to say.

 

Good luck.

[regwald]

I had read the mod descriptions, twice in fact, but this thread is irrelevant now as I have reduced my load order a bit more, 218 in fact, which has increased the amount of time I can battle in combat to over two hours now. Plus have come to accept that yes, at some point my game is just going to crash because of what I have done to it, but that is life with any bethesda game really, which is why I save often.

[JimmyRJump]

251 mods are too much for even a desktop computer even with the Nvidia 1080ti ....

 

I ran the game fine with 467 mods of which 255 had a plug-in. It all depends on what kind of mods and on which rig. Not that I have the most powerfull machine in the world, mind (i7-3770K on an AsRock Z77 Extreme11 motherboard with 16GB KHX RAM and an AMD MSI RX470 8GB GamingX)

 

@regwald:

 

Try LOOT to sort your load order and have a look at ENBoost to see if the game crashes less when allocating some system memory to the game because with FallOut 4 a lot of issues come from not having enough RAM since the game used to gobble-up up to 10GB, which had, well, RAMifications.

 

Laptops can be okay for gaming, but I won't advise it for temperature reasons. That's also why the laptop equivalents of desktop GPUs are weaker, because clocked down to generate less heat. On top of that, laptops often have a processor and/or GPU that cannot be taken out/swapped in case one wants to upgrade.

 

Also, when posting a phonebook worth of mods, please use "spoiler" tags :wink:

[regwald]

Knew I was forgetting some steps, as I said before I had to re-install everything, and thus forgot a few steps when updating everything. That, and I also had to switch from Mod Organizer to Nexus Mod manager because sadly, the current Mod Organizer for Fallout 4 just does not work. I'll check ENB Boost to see if that helps any (I remember it helping a bit, but it's been ages,) and I'll Run Loot to see if that helps at all.

[regwald]

It was ENBoost, now that it's back my game no longer CTD's when in combat.

[JimmyRJump]

It was ENBoost, now that it's back my game no longer CTD's when in combat.

Thanks for the heads-up, regwald :thumbsup:

 

Good to hear the problem is solved...

[lefttounge]

It can't be enb boost? :/

That's supposed to stop your game from crashing? :huh: