xyloritus Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 The layout itself is OK, just a bit too cluttered. But the colour shades are reversed... top menu and the tabs (description, files, images, etc.) should be brighter and mod page should be darker. So the cluttering and reversed shading makes the page very confusing, especially for people with OCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyloritus Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 In response to post #55136828. #55141188 is also a reply to the same post.alt3rn1ty wrote: OK, so m 2cents worth: The new site "looks" fine from a purely aesthetic point of view (although, as others have pointed out, it seems to take way more space and require way more scrolling), but the designer(s) have fallen into the current trendy UI trap of "low contrast" and "flat" design. Unfortunately, as "nice" as the new site may look, in terms of being visually appealing (that's pretty much subjective anyway), flat and low-contrast designs do make UIs harder to use. Many of us in the IT industry have been complaining about this new design paradigm since it boomed in popularity around 5 or 6 years ago, saying that it's harder to see, harder to use, and slower than UIs that have depth and contrast. This has finally been born out in a study: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_are_22_per_cent_slower_official/ and https://slashdot.org/story/17/09/05/1750238/its-official-users-navigate-flat-ui-designs-22-percent-slower?sbsrc=md . And while that's a relatively small study, I think anyone that works with everyday computer end-users every single day (like I do) will tell you that these designs are, indeed, quite detrimental to productivity. (Use a Mac running SL for example, then try using one running HS - the degradation in usability is stark.)So what should you do with the new design? 1) Make sure that all buttons look like buttons, and that all links are obviously links. 2) add some depth back to the design and 3) add some contrast back into the design - everything doesn't need to be subtle changes. Finally, take an objective look at the old design and the new design side-by-side and then go looking for every feature/section of the site. Is there anywhere at all where navigating the new design takes more steps to get from "page x" to "page y"? If so then that's a flaw in the new design that should be corrected (i.e. don't make it more time-consuming, or more difficult, to get from point a to point b).Please take this as constructive criticism, which is what it is meant to be. Your new design is certainly no way near as bad as some other sites I've seen, you've (thankfully) gone only half-way towards the flat-UI paradigm, but there is no doubt that backing away from the flat/low-contrast design will make your new site easier to use. (Remember, designers, *you* designed it - so you know where everything is and how it works. Everyone else in the world has to figure it out.) The points you raise are lucid, coherent, and backed up by facts and logic. As such, they will be completely dismissed by TPTB, and possibly flamed by at least one the (luks guud dudez, lubbing it) robo accounts with 20-30 posts. I cant stand working on my mods with this fugly, no-contrast and barely functional interface, and ihis has nothing whatsoever to do with 'not liking change'. Ill try to get as much done as I can before darkness descends, since I will be far less inclined to add or improve existing content if forced to use the 'new' and definitely not-improved offering. However. they have sunk lots of money and time to get this sub-par result, and as such, they started circling the wagons right from the start. People of course, being what they are, are loathe to admit failure, or write-off mal-investments. Even to the point of ignoring and refusing to address even the most mild of critiques. They only thing they will respond to, are technical glitches with the design itself, but ignore, or occasionally dismiss critics of the design itself. Obviously, no form of 'market testing' was done prior, or if there was, the sample group consisted solely of insiders that already decided the design was the greatest thing they had ever seen. Far too much scrolling, too many tiles, oversized images of the two 'trending' mods, which means get ready to be assaulted by endless click-bait loli-follower of the day pics right in your face. And for what? Not for the core content that everyone is actually here for. +1 for both of these posts, I have contributed a fair few bug reports on github now, but my overall personal opinion of the site redesign remains pretty much all that has been said in these two quotes. @Dark0ne - You cant really put all that in a bug report on github.Ethreon wrote: The first post is quite good, I like the design and I tend to agree with those points. However, placing the second one just ruins it. The other guy is trying to pass his opinion as a fact and acts as if disagreeing with him means you are wrong. The design is not a complete failure, that's utter bollocks.I think most of us agree with the first post. And it's not a complete failure, just a 75% failure :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrollTron1c Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) Another friendly reminder that the (mod pages) Media Management on the redesign site is currently broken: 1) the gallery doesn't scroll up / down when moving an image 2) moving an image results in a seemingly random order of the gallery - example the moved image never ends up where it should go, while other pics you didn't move randomly switch place 3) thumbnails are being stretched to 16:9 format -------------------- Missing feature in the User Images management: "Sort by Last Comment" Edited November 11, 2017 by ScrollTron1c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axonis Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Thankfully the new design has fixed the issue with the VOTE button color (and text). I can now see if I'm actually voting for a file! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lued123 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 The NMM download page has really small text, at least in Microsoft Edge. And I mean like glitchy levels of small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fresherthanfroggy Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Are slide bars seriously considered an improvement when compared to entering a specific value? I'm referencing the "Filter by:" section with choices for file size, downloads, and endorsements. In the old design I could just type in any number I wanted. Please pardon me if I'm being oblivious and there is actually a way to type in a value, but if not, dragging a little dot around and trying to land on the number I want is just irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransparentHead Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 In response to post #55157223. lued123 wrote: The NMM download page has really small text, at least in Microsoft Edge. And I mean like glitchy levels of small.It's the same for me too (I'm also a Microsoft Edge user). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownZombie Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I like the new layout, it's really nice. Keep up the great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxit Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I like the new layout the only issue i have with it is that when you left or right click to go back one page with my browser Mozilla Firefox instead of going back to the page i was right away it load the first page and then it load the page where i was . For low speed internet user like me this extra loading step is extremely annoying . The old layout do not have this problem . Hope you are already aware of it and it will be fix once it goes live . So for now i stick to the old version . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerionTheBrave Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 In response to post #55129278. InMyBestInterest wrote: I like the old design better because I m used to it and its easy to navigate plus more info per page. I will get used to the new design just like I did with the original when I first started using this site as I have no other choice.How don't you have an other choice? Im still using the old layout and I sure as hell will keep using it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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