Google

[Mudran]

I noticed this too Google is a user here too - nowhere is safe.

[TheMastersSon]

Spoiler links on this site are non-operative without Google cookies, among other irritations. Try participating in most any online forum today without them, the two choices are essentially limited function and no function at all. Tell me this isn't some kind of nightmare, a world of eight billion people unable to discuss anything anywhere on the internet without the watchful blessings of a single company. Edited November 29, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Spoiler links on this site are non-operative without Google cookies, among other irritations. Try participating in most any online forum today without them, the two choices are essentially limited function and no function at all. Tell me this isn't some kind of nightmare, a world of eight billion people unable to discuss anything anywhere on the internet without the watchful blessings of a single company.

Google goes exploring in any event, they likely have a fair bit of the internet cached anyway. (makes search engines faster) All the search engines use bots, or spyders, to seek out brave new worlds.... erm, to find information, where it hides, and what manner there is...... That's been the case for quite some time.

 

Why on earth some bbcode doesn't work without google cookies is beyond me. That just seems truly bizarre.

[TheMastersSon]

No joke, for the last 40 years I've been expecting Rod Serling to pop out of the wings and explain all of this. I refuse to believe a nation of 320 million free Americans are about to tolerate what's easily the biggest fascist power grab by our federal government in our entire 240-year history. If it happens, people get the government they deserve and our country is indeed deader than a doornail. Edited November 23, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

No joke, for the last 40 years I've been expecting Rod Serling to pop out of the wings and explain all of this. I refuse to believe a nation of 320 million free Americans are about to tolerate what's easily the biggest fascist power grab by our federal government in our entire 240-year history. If it happens, people get the government they deserve and our country is indeed deader than a doornail.

it's not really a power grab FOR the government though.... they are actually DE-regulating the internet.... It is indeed a power grab by the service providers though...... what with shuffling definitions, and allowing them to do basically pretty much whatever they please, it's a major step back for net neutrality. They label it as such, just to make folks believe it's a 'good thing™', but, in reality, its going to just suck for their subscribers.

 

What baffles me is, in Europe, internet service is cheaper, and FASTER, than it is here in the states....... WTF?

[TheMastersSon]

The golden era of our landline telephone network began with Title II protection of this traffic in 1934. Protect it or lose it, no third option exists. It's why this process is inexorable in the long-term, the more fecal matter Trump throws against the wall the dirtier he gets.

[Mudran]

Yes, I'm learning lately what USA freedom is really about....

Google sounds terrible, but those who use those informations against freedom of people are much worse. Like nowadays in Bethesda publishing ...

 

I even tried to use Bing thinking that Microsoft atleast uses all the informations for themself only, which sounds like lesser evil, but then I was told that nobody should ever use anything called BING and I was forbidden to use it.

[TheMastersSon]

Microsoft are easily worthy of a separate thread imo, but again the only folly is expecting any private company to act against its own best interest, or to not exploit every legal avenue to maximize profit for its investors. The problem is not private enterprise imo or even its infinite profit motive, the problem is our country's current and near-absolute lack of protection for internet traffic, and protection of our constitutional rights inherent with this traffic -- just as with our phone traffic, postal mail, package shipping and all other common carriers. Our FCC under our last president already corrected the legal classification for internet traffic and gave it proper Title II protections, but our current president is doing everything possible to stop the inevitable.

 

HeyYou's comments about ISPs and wannabe ISPs like Comcast being primary beneficiaries of this are well noted, but they're only doing what they should be expected to do. However our government is a separate case, and I can think of no more accurate term for the current campaign by Trump and his Verizon shill in our FCC (to destroy net neutrality, restrict all U.S. states from passing their own net neutrality laws etc etc) than abject fascism.

 

As my previous poll link indicates, most Americans continue to believe Trump is unfit for office. Has this ever happened before in our history? Isn't our Congress morally obligated to start impeachment proceedings to replace our current unfit president with a fit one?

Edited December 21, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Microsoft is easily worthy of a separate thread imo, but again the only folly is expecting any private company to act against its own best interest, or to not exploit every legal avenue to maximize profit for its investors. The problem is not private enterprise imo or even its infinite profit motive, the problem is our country's current and near-absolute lack of protection for internet traffic, and protection of our constitutional rights inherent with this traffic -- just as with our phone traffic, postal mail, package shipping and all other common carriers. Our FCC under our last president already corrected the legal classification for internet traffic and gave it proper Title II protections, but our current president is doing everything possible to stop the inevitable.

 

HeyYou's comments about ISPs and wannabe ISPs like Comcast being primary beneficiaries of this are well noted, but they're only doing what they should be expected to do. However our government is a separate case, and I can think of no more accurate term for the current campaign by Trump and his Verizon shill in our FCC (to destroy net neutrality, restrict all U.S. states from passing their own net neutrality laws etc etc) than abject fascism.

 

As my previous poll link indicates, most Americans continue to believe Trump is unfit for office. Has this ever happened before in our history? Isn't our Congress morally obligated to start impeachment proceedings to replace our current unfit president with a fit one?

President Pence? Is that really what you want? As that is what we get, if we impeach the Donald.

 

The trouble, as I see it, is: The huge corporate service providers have extremely deep pockets, to buy whatever policies they want. The average citizen, does not, so, guess who gets what they want?

[TheMastersSon]

 

Microsoft is easily worthy of a separate thread imo, but again the only folly is expecting any private company to act against its own best interest, or to not exploit every legal avenue to maximize profit for its investors. The problem is not private enterprise imo or even its infinite profit motive, the problem is our country's current and near-absolute lack of protection for internet traffic, and protection of our constitutional rights inherent with this traffic -- just as with our phone traffic, postal mail, package shipping and all other common carriers. Our FCC under our last president already corrected the legal classification for internet traffic and gave it proper Title II protections, but our current president is doing everything possible to stop the inevitable.

 

HeyYou's comments about ISPs and wannabe ISPs like Comcast being primary beneficiaries of this are well noted, but they're only doing what they should be expected to do. However our government is a separate case, and I can think of no more accurate term for the current campaign by Trump and his Verizon shill in our FCC (to destroy net neutrality, restrict all U.S. states from passing their own net neutrality laws etc etc) than abject fascism.

 

As my previous poll link indicates, most Americans continue to believe Trump is unfit for office. Has this ever happened before in our history? Isn't our Congress morally obligated to start impeachment proceedings to replace our current unfit president with a fit one?

President Pence? Is that really what you want? As that is what we get, if we impeach the Donald.

 

The trouble, as I see it, is: The huge corporate service providers have extremely deep pockets, to buy whatever policies they want. The average citizen, does not, so, guess who gets what they want?

I would prefer anyone who's fit to hold the office. At least Pence is accountable to his own party, unlike Trump who is a Republican the same way Hitler and Stalin were socialists.