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[HeyYou]

It's been less than a year and Trump is already where Richard Nixon was immediately before he resigned, i.e. claiming he's above our law and not subject to obstruction of justice charges from our DOJ etc. I'll be amazed if Trump sees his first anniversary in office before he's forced to resign or is faced with impeachment. It's the same two eventual choices Nixon had, so imo current defense of him will soon translate into perpetual embarrassment. :smile:

 

IMO (not just my opinion) Trump is morally unqualified to be our president, so I've never bestowed and could never bestow that title on him or anyone else I morally object to. Also our Constitution not only provides for but requires immoral public office holders to be removed. Again, none of that has anything to do with politics or party, or even issue positions unless one claims abject misogyny as a debate topic. The real problem and issue is moral integrity and therefore qualification to serve in public office.

 

Where I part ways with many or most other Trump critics is that, while no other option exists but to judge his behavior, since he is the one presuming to be qualified for his office, I also would never be dumb enough to blame him personally for who he's become after so many decades of fame and unrestricted wealth. Something very close to anyone in the same position turns out the same way. Our candidate choices were just one major symptom of an even bigger actual problem.

 

We're off-topic with Trump in this thread, but I don't want to start a separate one until the FCC votes later this week and/or next.

According to theory, there is an impeachment vote scheduled to happen today. Of course, I have been hearing the same song for several months, and still no vote.....

 

Not morally qualified? Now THAT is FUNNY. So far as I have seen, there isn't a single politician in washington that is morally qualified for their job. There hasn't been for decades. ALL of them are corrupt in one fashion or another. Not to mention they are bought and sold so often, they might just as well be on the friggin' stock market.

 

You want a beautiful example of a politician that feels they are above the law? Look at Hilary Clinton. Or Bill, for that matter. The scary part is, their wealth and power does indeed put them above the law. They can, and have, bought their way out of trouble on multiple occasions.

 

I hear there are some folks in congress(?) that are attempting to delay the vote, to give more time for 'review'....... We'll see what shakes loose on that..

[TheMastersSon]

I'd be last to claim there's such a thing as an honest politician. But your argument is that of a child, and by your logic no public servant could ever qualify for dismissal for any moral failure, since 'not a single politician is morally qualified for their job either'. If you believe that no minimum moral standards exist or are expected from public employees in our country, that's your defeatist delusion. Where the line of demarcation might be between reprehensible personality trait and disqualification from public office is always open for debate, but personally I, my family and virtually all of our friends draw that line at predatory behavior such as misogyny and racism. And, in case Pence winds up taking over Trump's position, homophobia. It is beyond my capacity to recognize as my president or other representative anyone who fails this, I won't even call it a morality test, it's a basic humanity and intelligence test. Edited December 7, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

And just where did I suggest that there are no minimum moral standards? I stated a fact, that's it.

 

As for what constitutes that minimum standard, it seems the american people, collectively, don't really put much of an onus on our politicians for upright behavior. Unless they are caught red-handed, doing something patently illegal, (not necessarily something that is merely immoral, by whomevers standards.....) no one really bothers to call them out on it. Been that way for decades. Do I think that is OK? Not even remotely. Do I think it's going to change anytime soon? Nope. Not a chance.

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An attempt to Impeach President Trump failed. The guy has to have some real power under the table because over 300 people voted not to Impeach him.

 

Either that or it was Fake News I read this morning.

 

Google is taking YouTube off Amazon TV service today too. Wow!

 

My head! I'm still unsettled because of the storm of News that got listed as the most watched that Bing.com provided this morning. Pearl Harbor among them.

[HeyYou]

An attempt to Impeach President Trump failed. The guy has to have some real power under the table because over 300 people voted not to Impeach him.

 

Either that or it was Fake News I read this morning.

 

Google is taking YouTube off Amazon TV service today too. Wow!

 

My head! I'm still unsettled because of the storm of News that got listed as the most watched that Bing.com provided this morning. Pearl Harbor among them.

Well, it IS Pearl Harbor day...... 76th Anniversary, and all that. :D

 

I would bet real money the vote went pretty much down party lines.

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Well, it IS Pearl Harbor day...... 76th Anniversary, and all that. :D

I would bet real money the vote went pretty much down party lines.

 

 

Three Leaders acting like Uncle Buck (John Candy) in John Hughes 1989 movie. Two wise old leaders and a third leader whose still darn young, playing on the Internet. All Twittering and challenging each other for fun while their children play Wasteland games, Fallout, created by Interplay for military simulation training. That turned into a million dollar baby and led to Fallout 4 with a huge fan club, they or maybe their children and grandchildren play/played.

 

I hope their ramblings about starting an Atomic War suit them. I hope this Pearl Harbor Day reminds people... with H-Bombs, A-Bombs, ...that Cobalt Bombs written about, (Fake News or Not) and the news said the Cobalt Bombs were created for the chance that anyone started an Atomic Bomb War and the Cobalt Bombs would be the end of all Wars. :mad:

 

Happy :laugh: Pearl Harbor Day. :nuke:

[TheMastersSon]

An attempt to Impeach President Trump failed. The guy has to have some real power under the table because over 300 people voted not to Impeach him.

 

Either that or it was Fake News I read this morning.

 

Google is taking YouTube off Amazon TV service today too. Wow!

 

My head! I'm still unsettled because of the storm of News that got listed as the most watched that Bing.com provided this morning. Pearl Harbor among them.

IMO we should remember and/or relearn the lesson of Pearl Harbor: in the face of economic sanctions Japan saw no other option but to attempt a last and desperate pre-emptive strike. Even the idea of a pre-emptive strike was ridiculous, but their two choices were to lose or to first starve and then lose. Just like Iraq and now Korea.

 

As for the impeachment vote on Trump, this one was forced early to give the illusion that he has more support than he actually does. But watch what happens as he travels down the same "everything is somebody else's fault" road as Richard Nixon (I think there's a song title in there somewhere. :) ) Since his first day in office Trump has given us nothing but vile attack and blame of his political foes, war mongering (yesterday's example: officially recognizing, unlike the entire rest of the world, Jersusalem as the capital of Israel etc) and abject fascism (travel bans on entire nations of perfectly innocent people etc). He has managed to redefine the exact opposite of leadership in our country, just the fact that he was raised as a credible political candidate and attained his office has signaled to the world that nothing remains to be salvaged of our country and federal government. IMO it's been the case since 1971 and Nixon's "opening the gate to China" for the multinationals. If a popular vote, or even one in our Congress had been taken at the time, whether to expose our free market capitalist labor force to competition with totalitarian Communism, it would have failed at something very close to 100%. That was and almost a half century later STILL IS the problem. The response and solution of Trump and the R's to this problem in their new tax plan was to altogether eliminate corporate taxes on profits earned overseas by U.S. companies in these Chinese sweatshops. What leadership!

Edited December 7, 2017 by TheMastersSon

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Okay! People! I know this may seem odd...at this time...for this discussion...where is all the disaster snow reports most common this time of year? Especially in the North East USA.

 

I have not seen one story in the news about the horrible winter snow blizzards. Where's the USA going to get water if the mountains only get a little dusting each month. Around here the snow melted on the mountains twice and we barely got enough snow to bother going out to shovel it.

 

There's no climate problem?!

 

Pres. Trump better call up the North Winds to get them to deliver or the whole planet is going to be starving soon.

[HeyYou]

 

An attempt to Impeach President Trump failed. The guy has to have some real power under the table because over 300 people voted not to Impeach him.

 

Either that or it was Fake News I read this morning.

 

Google is taking YouTube off Amazon TV service today too. Wow!

 

My head! I'm still unsettled because of the storm of News that got listed as the most watched that Bing.com provided this morning. Pearl Harbor among them.

IMO we should remember and/or relearn the lesson of Pearl Harbor: in the face of economic sanctions Japan saw no other option but to attempt a last and desperate pre-emptive strike. Even the idea of a pre-emptive strike was ridiculous, but their two choices were to lose or to first starve and then lose. Just like Iraq and now Korea.

 

As for the impeachment vote on Trump, this one was forced early to give the illusion that he has more support than he actually does. But watch what happens as he travels down the same "everything is somebody else's fault" road as Richard Nixon (I think there's a song title in there somewhere. :smile: ) Since his first day in office Trump has given us nothing but vile attack and blame of his political foes, war mongering (yesterday's example: officially recognizing, unlike the entire rest of the world, Jersusalem as the capital of Israel etc) and abject fascism (travel bans on entire nations of perfectly innocent people etc). He has managed to redefine the exact opposite of leadership in our country, just the fact that he was raised as a credible political candidate and attained his office has signaled to the world that nothing remains to be salvaged of our country and federal government. IMO it's been the case since 1971 and Nixon's "opening the gate to China" for the multinationals. If a popular vote, or even one in our Congress had been taken at the time, whether to expose our free market capitalist labor force to competition with totalitarian Communism, it would have failed at something very close to 100%. That was and almost a half century later STILL IS the problem. The response and solution of Trump and the R's to this problem in their new tax plan was to altogether eliminate corporate taxes on profits earned overseas by U.S. companies in these Chinese sweatshops. What leadership!

 

Saddam was not a threat. He was contained, and had no WMD programs. Bush knew that, but, he wanted the oil, so in we went. Even his daddy told him it was a bad idea. Daddy was correct.

 

I get that you disagree with some of Trumps policies. I get that you don't like him. I don't much care for him either, but, he IS the president, he WAS elected. Now, he is leader of the country, like it or not. Do I think he is a *good* president? Nope, not really. He does a fair few things I disagree with. Some, vehemently. But then, I could say the same for almost every president before him too. Do I think we would be better off if we impeached him? Nope. Sure don't. Should congress start a chain of impeachments of politicians they don't want in the Oval office, until they get one they DO like, then I think its time congress got replaced. ALL of them. (which wouldn't really hurt my feelings in any event.....)

 

Okay! People! I know this may seem odd...at this time...for this discussion...where is all the disaster snow reports most common this time of year? Especially in the North East USA.

 

I have not seen one story in the news about the horrible winter snow blizzards. Where's the USA going to get water if the mountains only get a little dusting each month. Around here the snow melted on the mountains twice and we barely got enough snow to bother going out to shovel it.

 

There's no climate problem?!

 

Pres. Trump better call up the North Winds to get them to deliver or the whole planet is going to be starving soon.

 

I live in the midwest. Winters here have been pretty variable. We may get a boatload of snow, or we may not get much at all.... Or, we may get a boatload of snow, but, the next day, it all melts...... These are not the michigan winters of my youth...... I think in 2013, we got a LOT of snow. To the point that I was snowed in for a week, because there were five foot drifts in the roads here, and the plow trucks seemed to have forgotten we exist. (and the drifts were hundreds of feet long.... so, not something you could just bull through..... even with a 4x4....) That single storm prompted me to purchase a snowblower for my tractor..... Since then, I have used it a total of three times........ Hhhmmmmm........

[twowolves80]

Google sucks. Fully agree. They're very intrusive...and yet, I use their email. :facepalm:

The government already has a Skynet-like system in place, and that's why the news this morning about this article was so important, and was given almost no space on Bing (something they don't want the public too curious about, perhaps?). This technology is there, and they've been experimenting with algorithms using something called PROMIS software that they've tweaked for AI applications. And how better to spur new development, but for the DoD to bring in a company like Google. Plus, I'll bet Google has access to that muti-billion-dollar facility out in Utah that the NSA uses, or at the very least, Google AI software is involved.

As for N. K., I think he's going to try to trigger a Carrington event. It's the only thing that would make sense, and it only takes a single missile to get through. Our STAR WARS orbital missile defense system is aging. If he can lob a big enough nuke six miles up above Ohio-Pennsylvania, he would wipe out most of the power grid in the US with the resulting EMP blast, and the government itself has already come out and said it's not prepared for that type of attack because none of the power grid is hardened. Government estimates could put the casualty rate as high as 90% due to famine, crime, disease, and pestilence because we would be thrown back 200 years for about two to five years as they replace all the substation equipment across the nation. We no longer make those parts here. That's right, we exported that industry to China.

I'll wait for you to finish your facepalm. lol