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An attempt to Impeach President Trump failed. The guy has to have some real power under the table because over 300 people voted not to Impeach him.

 

Either that or it was Fake News I read this morning.

 

Google is taking YouTube off Amazon TV service today too. Wow!

 

My head! I'm still unsettled because of the storm of News that got listed as the most watched that Bing.com provided this morning. Pearl Harbor among them.

IMO we should remember and/or relearn the lesson of Pearl Harbor: in the face of economic sanctions Japan saw no other option but to attempt a last and desperate pre-emptive strike. Even the idea of a pre-emptive strike was ridiculous, but their two choices were to lose or to first starve and then lose. Just like Iraq and now Korea.

 

As for the impeachment vote on Trump, this one was forced early to give the illusion that he has more support than he actually does. But watch what happens as he travels down the same "everything is somebody else's fault" road as Richard Nixon (I think there's a song title in there somewhere. :smile: ) Since his first day in office Trump has given us nothing but vile attack and blame of his political foes, war mongering (yesterday's example: officially recognizing, unlike the entire rest of the world, Jersusalem as the capital of Israel etc) and abject fascism (travel bans on entire nations of perfectly innocent people etc). He has managed to redefine the exact opposite of leadership in our country, just the fact that he was raised as a credible political candidate and attained his office has signaled to the world that nothing remains to be salvaged of our country and federal government. IMO it's been the case since 1971 and Nixon's "opening the gate to China" for the multinationals. If a popular vote, or even one in our Congress had been taken at the time, whether to expose our free market capitalist labor force to competition with totalitarian Communism, it would have failed at something very close to 100%. That was and almost a half century later STILL IS the problem. The response and solution of Trump and the R's to this problem in their new tax plan was to altogether eliminate corporate taxes on profits earned overseas by U.S. companies in these Chinese sweatshops. What leadership!

 

Saddam was not a threat. He was contained, and had no WMD programs. Bush knew that, but, he wanted the oil, so in we went. Even his daddy told him it was a bad idea. Daddy was correct.

 

I get that you disagree with some of Trumps policies. I get that you don't like him. I don't much care for him either, but, he IS the president, he WAS elected. Now, he is leader of the country, like it or not. Do I think he is a *good* president? Nope, not really. He does a fair few things I disagree with. Some, vehemently. But then, I could say the same for almost every president before him too. Do I think we would be better off if we impeached him? Nope. Sure don't. Should congress start a chain of impeachments of politicians they don't want in the Oval office, until they get one they DO like, then I think its time congress got replaced. ALL of them. (which wouldn't really hurt my feelings in any event.....)

 

Okay! People! I know this may seem odd...at this time...for this discussion...where is all the disaster snow reports most common this time of year? Especially in the North East USA.

 

I have not seen one story in the news about the horrible winter snow blizzards. Where's the USA going to get water if the mountains only get a little dusting each month. Around here the snow melted on the mountains twice and we barely got enough snow to bother going out to shovel it.

 

There's no climate problem?!

 

Pres. Trump better call up the North Winds to get them to deliver or the whole planet is going to be starving soon.

 

I live in the midwest. Winters here have been pretty variable. We may get a boatload of snow, or we may not get much at all.... Or, we may get a boatload of snow, but, the next day, it all melts...... These are not the michigan winters of my youth...... I think in 2013, we got a LOT of snow. To the point that I was snowed in for a week, because there were five foot drifts in the roads here, and the plow trucks seemed to have forgotten we exist. (and the drifts were hundreds of feet long.... so, not something you could just bull through..... even with a 4x4....) That single storm prompted me to purchase a snowblower for my tractor..... Since then, I have used it a total of three times........ Hhhmmmmm........

 

 

Hmm?

 

Will we let it disturb our meal time as long as we've got the water to blend in with recipes and some water to make our drinks?

 

Tang, two eggs over easy, two slices of buttered toast, two strips of bacon, and a cup of coffee was my favorite combo in the morning.

 

While the Astronaut was floating around in outer space in their space capsule I was not thinking about anything but my sore muscles I got from shoveling two feet deep snow off the sidewalk from the front porch out to the car.

[twowolves80]

How about simply imposing congressional term limits (say, twice in the office and then out) with an exclusion clause that says, "once you're out, you're all the way out, no more politics, now get your ass out there and get a real job, you sycophantic bureaucrat?" :P

Also, Ajit Pai should be the first person investigated by that spy network Trump proposed. Yeah, the shadow government may be real, but you don't pull the mask off the Lone Ranger. And you sure as hell don't bite the hand that feeds you. Net Neutrality was the only thing checking some of the outrageous power given by that singularly toxic bit of legislation called the PATRIOT Act, which should have long ago been tossed out

--but, nine-eleven!

 

Omg! How could I forget?! Keep the PATRIOT Act, please! And here! Take the rest of my rights, too!

Smh...

"Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither." --Benjamin Franklin

"If we ever allow banks to control the issuance of our currency, first through inflation, and then deflation, the corporations that spring up around them shall continue to deprive us of land until our children wake to find themselves homeless in the lands their forefathers once occupied." --Thomas Jefferson

 

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Thomas Paine

[HeyYou]

Google sucks. Fully agree. They're very intrusive...and yet, I use their email. :facepalm:

 

The government already has a Skynet-like system in place, and that's why the news this morning about this article was so important, and was given almost no space on Bing (something they don't want the public too curious about, perhaps?). This technology is there, and they've been experimenting with algorithms using something called PROMIS software that they've tweaked for AI applications. And how better to spur new development, but for the DoD to bring in a company like Google. Plus, I'll bet Google has access to that muti-billion-dollar facility out in Utah that the NSA uses, or at the very least, Google AI software is involved.

 

As for N. K., I think he's going to try to trigger a Carrington event. It's the only thing that would make sense, and it only takes a single missile to get through. Our STAR WARS orbital missile defense system is aging. If he can lob a big enough nuke six miles up above Ohio-Pennsylvania, he would wipe out most of the power grid in the US with the resulting EMP blast, and the government itself has already come out and said it's not prepared for that type of attack because none of the power grid is hardened. Government estimates could put the casualty rate as high as 90% due to famine, crime, disease, and pestilence because we would be thrown back 200 years for about two to five years as they replace all the substation equipment across the nation. We no longer make those parts here. That's right, we exported that industry to China.

 

I'll wait for you to finish your facepalm. lol

We don't have Star Wars system. That was a pipe-dream of Ronnie Ray-gun, and was never realized, as space-based weapons are prohibited in various treaties.

[twowolves80]

Lol so we're even more at risk than I originally thought? :rofl: Yeah, we're cooked. I thought they had some kind of missile shield in place, or is that entirely terrestrial-based?

[Deleted54170User]

My interpretation of the many scholars before my time...Disney's Movie "Tomorrowland" for instance is one.

 

I write to all of you who will read my words...Tomorrowland keeps seeping into the words of humankind. Tomorrow the world will be better for the youth of tomorrow. You must work to assure that you give your children hope that their lives and land will be better tomorrow. What tomorrow brings is what we gave it yesterday. (Written today by (Pagafyr) David B. Hunter December 8, 2017

 

In the Disney movie TomorrowLand this familiar story is spoken about.

 

An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.

“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”

He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”

The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

[TheMastersSon]

 

Google sucks. Fully agree. They're very intrusive...and yet, I use their email. :facepalm:

 

The government already has a Skynet-like system in place, and that's why the news this morning about this article was so important, and was given almost no space on Bing (something they don't want the public too curious about, perhaps?). This technology is there, and they've been experimenting with algorithms using something called PROMIS software that they've tweaked for AI applications. And how better to spur new development, but for the DoD to bring in a company like Google. Plus, I'll bet Google has access to that muti-billion-dollar facility out in Utah that the NSA uses, or at the very least, Google AI software is involved.

 

As for N. K., I think he's going to try to trigger a Carrington event. It's the only thing that would make sense, and it only takes a single missile to get through. Our STAR WARS orbital missile defense system is aging. If he can lob a big enough nuke six miles up above Ohio-Pennsylvania, he would wipe out most of the power grid in the US with the resulting EMP blast, and the government itself has already come out and said it's not prepared for that type of attack because none of the power grid is hardened. Government estimates could put the casualty rate as high as 90% due to famine, crime, disease, and pestilence because we would be thrown back 200 years for about two to five years as they replace all the substation equipment across the nation. We no longer make those parts here. That's right, we exported that industry to China.

 

I'll wait for you to finish your facepalm. lol

We don't have Star Wars system. That was a pipe-dream of Ronnie Ray-gun, and was never realized, as space-based weapons are prohibited in various treaties.

We most certainly do have space-based defensive weapons. SALT II and OST prohibit WMDs from being launched into space, not conventional arms or warheads. Our best space-based weapons today are laser and are neither considered WMDs according to these treaties nor are there any limitations on their use.

 

I've covered James Woolsey's fear mongering about EMPs in another thread and won't repeat it here. It's pure and delusional fear mongering intended to keep us terrified while keeping his own lifelong teetsucker paychecks coming in.

[twowolves80]

Uh...who is James Woolsey? :huh:

I don't really think EMPs are fear-mongering. That is an existential threat, and one serious enough for the intelligence community to have studied in-depth. They're obviously worried about something happening. And it's logical.

Nuke L.A., kill a few million. EMP the US, kill a few hundred million. Which is more attractive an option to someone hell-bent on destroying us with the least amount of effort? The detrimental effects of EMP on electronics and the power grid, not to mention anything with a large metal surface area, are proven. The EMP effects of nukes are proven. And it only takes a single missile to get through.

That is to say nothing of the scalar weapons the Russians have pursued since the 40s and Operation Paperclip. Those make nukes look like pop-guns. Nikola Tesla himself proved their effectiveness with the demonstration of his Wardenclyffe tower in New York when he blasted a crater into the Siberian hinterlands that is still "unexplained" to this day, most likely because of the relative ease with which high-frequency pulsed DC current can be weaponized (relative for a military budget, that is).

I think we will see war with N. Korea before the end of Trump's term, whether or not him shooting off his mouth is the catalyst that starts it. This status quo wasn't going to stay that way forever with N. Korea, and no matter what, that war is guaranteed to change the geopolitical face of the planet in ways we don't yet fully grasp.

[TheMastersSon]

Uh...who is James Woolsey?

Most search engines are your friend. :) Woolsey is the lifelong Pentagon teetsucker responsible for both this hysterical and nonsensical hogwash about EMPs, and the report which spawned it. You've quoted it almost verbatim (hundreds of millions dead, societal collapse etc). Every terrified American is another dollar in the Pentagon's coffers.

[twowolves80]

No, I'm aware of Google. However, I was making a point. You assumed I was referencing James Woolsey when I'd never even heard of him. I've read enough about this subject to fairly confident in stating that I don't agree that it's hysterics. Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it won't work--they didn't even know if the atomic bomb was going to work--it was all theory.

Pretty good results based on theory. And given how simple lightning strikes take out substations and damage electronic equipment, I can only imagine what a 20 kiloton hydrogen bomb would do.

Still, it would make sense that even if, as you say, it's all hogwash, for N.K. to pursue it as it offers the most amount of destruction (even if the numbers are nowhere near 90% casualty rate) for the least amount of effort.

Ah, yes, he was a member of PNAC, that same think tank that had ties with the stolen PROMIS software that was later modified for AI integration as well as ties to Kellogg, Brown & Root and Haliburton. The chickens all come home to roost.

And at the very least, hardening our infrastructure would create jobs and increase our global security, regardless of whether a nuclear EMP wipes us out.

Let's just hope it doesn't play out like the opening scene from Homefront:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ85FVrJgFQ

Edited December 8, 2017 by twowolves80

[HeyYou]

 

 

Google sucks. Fully agree. They're very intrusive...and yet, I use their email. :facepalm:

 

The government already has a Skynet-like system in place, and that's why the news this morning about this article was so important, and was given almost no space on Bing (something they don't want the public too curious about, perhaps?). This technology is there, and they've been experimenting with algorithms using something called PROMIS software that they've tweaked for AI applications. And how better to spur new development, but for the DoD to bring in a company like Google. Plus, I'll bet Google has access to that muti-billion-dollar facility out in Utah that the NSA uses, or at the very least, Google AI software is involved.

 

As for N. K., I think he's going to try to trigger a Carrington event. It's the only thing that would make sense, and it only takes a single missile to get through. Our STAR WARS orbital missile defense system is aging. If he can lob a big enough nuke six miles up above Ohio-Pennsylvania, he would wipe out most of the power grid in the US with the resulting EMP blast, and the government itself has already come out and said it's not prepared for that type of attack because none of the power grid is hardened. Government estimates could put the casualty rate as high as 90% due to famine, crime, disease, and pestilence because we would be thrown back 200 years for about two to five years as they replace all the substation equipment across the nation. We no longer make those parts here. That's right, we exported that industry to China.

 

I'll wait for you to finish your facepalm. lol

We don't have Star Wars system. That was a pipe-dream of Ronnie Ray-gun, and was never realized, as space-based weapons are prohibited in various treaties.

We most certainly do have space-based defensive weapons. SALT II and OST prohibit WMDs from being launched into space, not conventional arms or warheads. Our best space-based weapons today are laser and are neither considered WMDs according to these treaties nor are there any limitations on their use.

 

I've covered James Woolsey's fear mongering about EMPs in another thread and won't repeat it here. It's pure and delusional fear mongering intended to keep us terrified while keeping his own lifelong teetsucker paychecks coming in.

 

No. We don't. We have terrestrial-based anti-missile systems. That's it. When Ronnie was pushing it, we simply didn't have the technology for space-based lasers. SDI died while he was still in office. It has not been resurrected.