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[twowolves80]

I find it hard to believe we didn't have the technology since the Germans were already working on beam weapons and other highly advanced technology in the 1940s, and had a half-built nuclear thermopyle in one of their hidden underground bases--not Oberammergau, but one of the others. Oberammergau was under Kammler's control and they sent a Bell aircraft team of scientists in on a science mission for five weeks--all to recover what was ostensibly airplane engines. Why would you need a science mission, unless there was something so highly advanced in there that it needed immediate analysis before being removed?

 

Operation Paperclip nabbed a lot more than just scientists. Literally tons of paperwork, videos, recordings and more, not to mention whatever prototypes they got to before the scientists or the SS destroyed it.

That's where we got the SR-71 concept from. Technology based on theoretical concepts the Germans had in the 40's and perfected by Americans in the 60s. We didn't find out about it until the late 80's and twenty years later, it was retired. That gives them 40 years to have designed something even more advanced, and with the leap in computing power, and the sheer amount of innovation we had in the 70s and 80s, it's no surprise that, oh, look, here's the B1, and oh, look, here's the B2.

We had the technology, we still have the technology, and anything that goes black, you ain't getting it back, which is why you no longer hear about certain things. When the DoD funds you, you cross into a highly compartmentalized intelligence community that operates on a need-to-know basis and where the public and anyone else is absolutely shut out. It wouldn't surprise me if there are things even the President himself wouldn't be privy to.

Google's AI is troubling for that reason. With the NSA hacking toolkit release, suddenly, there were a lot of elements in the wild that used them against us, and oh, look, more ransomware. That's only the first salvo. Who knows what else they took? What happens if Google starts working on highly-sensitive, highly-classified AI algorithms (and the government has been doing this for decades already), discovers a pandora's box, and some jackass in Vanatu hacks it for kicks and then dumps it on the web?

The reason it is troubling is because the US military wants to weaponize everything they can so we know what can be used against us. The US intelligence community wants to analyze everything. The two should stay separate. With this Google AI (assuming for the moment that they are working closely with the NSA on software engineering, or one of the other think-tanks used by the intelligence community as a cover to spread or seek information), there would be no transparency because an AI, by it's nature, would need to be analyzed at the code-level to determine what it can do, and that would expose sensitive information, so how could there be?

That facility in Utah has it's own powerplant, and it's own man-made lake to cool the hundreds of air conditioning units cooling that massive warehouse. They need AI for one reason: They need something to sift through that data as fast as possible, and humans aren't fast enough. Therefore, they would be highly interested in Google's AI work, and would either hire them on directly, or infiltrate, shielding themselves in the PATRIOT Act to do so and maintain cover.

Suddenly, it's, "Oh, look, this AI works well, but if we pair with this other, highly-classified work we've done, we can weaponize it and use it to hack..." Someone hacks the government in turn, steals this AI in a massive dump, and then dumps it on the open web. Suddenly, Iran has an AI so advanced that it can do x, y, and z. We're screwed. And don't say it can't happen because they recovered one of our drones a few years back, and just the other day, I was reading about how Iran was testing drones now.

Edited December 8, 2017 by twowolves80

[Deleted54170User]

I find it hard to believe we didn't have the technology since the Germans were already working on beam weapons and other highly advanced technology in the 1940s, and had a half-built nuclear thermopyle in one of their hidden underground bases--not Oberammergau, but one of the others. Oberammergau was under Kammler's control and they sent a Bell aircraft team of scientists in on a science mission for five weeks--all to recover what was ostensibly airplane engines. Why would you need a science mission, unless there was something so highly advanced in there that it needed immediate analysis before being removed?

 

Operation Paperclip nabbed a lot more than just scientists. Literally tons of paperwork, videos, recordings and more, not to mention whatever prototypes they got to before the scientists or the SS destroyed it.

 

That's where we got the SR-71 concept from. Technology based on theoretical concepts the Germans had in the 40's and perfected by Americans in the 60s. We didn't find out about it until the late 80's and twenty years later, it was retired. That gives them 40 years to have designed something even more advanced, and with the leap in computing power, and the sheer amount of innovation we had in the 70s and 80s, it's no surprise that, oh, look, here's the B1, and oh, look, here's the B2.

 

We had the technology, we still have the technology, and anything that goes black, you ain't getting it back, which is why you no longer hear about certain things. When the DoD funds you, you cross into a highly compartmentalized intelligence community that operates on a need-to-know basis and where the public and anyone else is absolutely shut out. It wouldn't surprise me if there are things even the President himself wouldn't be privy to.

 

Google's AI is troubling for that reason. With the NSA hacking toolkit release, suddenly, there were a lot of elements in the wild that used them against us, and oh, look, more ransomware. That's only the first salvo. Who knows what else they took? What happens if Google starts working on highly-sensitive, highly-classified AI algorithms (and the government has been doing this for decades already), discovers a pandora's box, and some jackass in Vanatu hacks it for kicks and then dumps it on the web?

 

The reason it is troubling is because the US military wants to weaponize everything they can so we know what can be used against us. The US intelligence community wants to analyze everything. The two should stay separate. With this Google AI (assuming for the moment that they are working closely with the NSA on software engineering, or one of the other think-tanks used by the intelligence community as a cover to spread or seek information), there would be no transparency because an AI, by it's nature, would need to be analyzed at the code-level to determine what it can do, and that would expose sensitive information, so how could there be?

 

That facility in Utah has it's own powerplant, and it's own man-made lake to cool the hundreds of air conditioning units cooling that massive warehouse. They need AI for one reason: They need something to sift through that data as fast as possible, and humans aren't fast enough. Therefore, they would be highly interested in Google's AI work, and would either hire them on directly, or infiltrate, shielding themselves in the PATRIOT Act to do so and maintain cover.

 

Suddenly, it's, "Oh, look, this AI works well, but if we pair with this other, highly-classified work we've done, we can weaponize it and use it to hack..." Someone hacks the government in turn, steals this AI in a massive dump, and then dumps it on the open web. Suddenly, Iran has an AI so advanced that it can do x, y, and z. We're screwed. And don't say it can't happen because they recovered one of our drones a few years back, and just the other day, I was reading about how Iran was testing drones now.

 

 

I used to think Sci-Fi was strangely familiar to real life from the variety of short stories and novelettes I read.

 

Your input just highlighted so much of the daring do and secret conspiracy life, so that, I just can't understand why more scientists don't just come out and tell the public what is going on when, and I say this because it's 99.1% truth, the public would stare blankly at the wiz kid as much as they do at Geeks, and scientist talking would be the last thing they would stop for, for a moment before they go back to strolling up and down the shopping store lanes and in and out of the mall.

 

Now; guess which wolf am feeding?

 

I'll give you a hint...It doesn't provide you with very much science facts because that wolf is probably sitting outside area 51 with a 500 x powered telescope.

[twowolves80]

lmao Just peruse my profile. I have references. Nick Cook (a Jane's Military Reporter reporter) wrote a great book called The Hunt For Zero Point. Detailed much of this, along with a lot of persuasive evidence of Kammler's direct role in shaping the SS and Luftwafe's advanced research. Oberammergau was one such facility, dug into the side of the mountains with 23 miles of tunnel. That's a lot of tunnel to hide things. Moreover, they sent a science team there for five weeks, when the only thing that Oberammergau ostensibly made was Messerschmit warplanes. Kammler is the one actor in it all that the intelligence community couldn't sweep fully under the rug because he was the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer, which is essentially the head of the SS. Barely even mentioned during Nuremberg.

 

The problem is that the intelligence community, at that level, is so compartmentalized that no one person can honestly say they know anything. We're talking about advanced research projects that are so black, not even the President is aware of them. That's how the DoD operates and keeps secrets.

That wolf's time would be better spent combing over the documents of things like Operation Paperclip, Project Rainbow, and Project Skyvault. The military is famous for releasing information, and then having to clean up and redact things with "explanations." The B2 is a case in point. Military released the specs, which said it can't exceed Mach 1, and has hydrazine tanks.

Yet, there's another military photo of the B2 breaking the sound barrier, and hydrazine is one oxidizer chemical away from rocket fuel for a vacuum. Why would the B2, a plane that isn't designed to leave the atmosphere (ostensibly) have rocket fuel aboard? Hydrazine has only four uses. Rocket fuel, polymerizing agent for making plastics, making foam, and a steam cycle agent for nuclear power plants. Nothing else. Oops.

And with an AI toolkit, if that gets out in the wild, it will be able to help design viruses that bypass today's AV software suites. That's why Google AI, if coupled with advanced, classified algorithms and computer code work, it has the potential of being a double-edged sword.

 

Google has hit a sort of critical mass where it has taken on a life of its own. That NSA toolkit was the tip of the iceberg. I shudder to think what the government has that we don't know about...

Here's the thing. Read enough, sift through enough of the propaganda and disinformation, and you begin to subtly perceive patterns, and your subconscious mind starts to press on you that something is just a little off about their story. Something doesn't add up, and it's the government's plausible deniability that is most troubling of all.

lol That's why I chose my screen name carefully. Two wolves. :D

[HeyYou]

The government researchs anything that suits their fancy. The spent tens of thousands of dollars, trying to figure out how a frisbee flies....... You can bet your bottom dollar that they are also researching less innocuous stuff as well. Hell, they are likely researching some variety (or, several varieties) of FTL drive. But, they aren't going to tell us about it.

[twowolves80]

lol Knowledge is power, and power is control. Free energy is possible because our understanding of the universe is still very young in terms of human civilization on a geologic scale. And that's why they will never let it go. Too easy to exploit, so no money can be made, and too easy to weaponize.

That's why the idea of Google working on any type of AI is frightening. Most of that work is done in university labs, and often, those labs are tapped for government think tanks which are nothing but intelligence-gathering operations. Make no mistake, our government most likely has AI so sophisticated, it would blow our wigs back. We never truly know how into the black it runs with this kind of research, because it can so easily be weaponized. Any software can be weaponized to deliver worms and trojans and who knows what else.

The government has been using AI to design satellites and create new algorithms, too. There was an article in Wired awhile back about how this lab had discovered an algorithm that had the capability of designing other algorithms, which meant in essence it could teach itself. Write new algorithms to program new behaviors. And that was the last anyone ever heard of it. Or, it's not being publicized very loudly.

They're already experimenting with quantum computers and neural networks of servers. They are already playing with fire because as the military and intelligence communities have shown in the past, they have no problem conducting experiments on an unsuspecting public.

 

Imagine what they'd do (if they haven't done it already) with a highly-advanced AI?

[Deleted54170User]

lmao Just peruse my profile. I have references. Nick Cook (a Jane's Military Reporter reporter) wrote a great book called The Hunt For Zero Point. Detailed much of this, along with a lot of persuasive evidence of Kammler's direct role in shaping the SS and Luftwafe's advanced research. Oberammergau was one such facility, dug into the side of the mountains with 23 miles of tunnel. That's a lot of tunnel to hide things. Moreover, they sent a science team there for five weeks, when the only thing that Oberammergau ostensibly made was Messerschmit warplanes. Kammler is the one actor in it all that the intelligence community couldn't sweep fully under the rug because he was the SS-Obergruppenfuhrer, which is essentially the head of the SS. Barely even mentioned during Nuremberg.

 

The problem is that the intelligence community, at that level, is so compartmentalized that no one person can honestly say they know anything. We're talking about advanced research projects that are so black, not even the President is aware of them. That's how the DoD operates and keeps secrets.

 

That wolf's time would be better spent combing over the documents of things like Operation Paperclip, Project Rainbow, and Project Skyvault. The military is famous for releasing information, and then having to clean up and redact things with "explanations." The B2 is a case in point. Military released the specs, which said it can't exceed Mach 1, and has hydrazine tanks.

 

Yet, there's another military photo of the B2 breaking the sound barrier, and hydrazine is one oxidizer chemical away from rocket fuel for a vacuum. Why would the B2, a plane that isn't designed to leave the atmosphere (ostensibly) have rocket fuel aboard? Hydrazine has only four uses. Rocket fuel, polymerizing agent for making plastics, making foam, and a steam cycle agent for nuclear power plants. Nothing else. Oops.

 

And with an AI toolkit, if that gets out in the wild, it will be able to help design viruses that bypass today's AV software suites. That's why Google AI, if coupled with advanced, classified algorithms and computer code work, it has the potential of being a double-edged sword.

 

Google has hit a sort of critical mass where it has taken on a life of its own. That NSA toolkit was the tip of the iceberg. I shudder to think what the government has that we don't know about...

 

Here's the thing. Read enough, sift through enough of the propaganda and disinformation, and you begin to subtly perceive patterns, and your subconscious mind starts to press on you that something is just a little off about their story. Something doesn't add up, and it's the government's plausible deniability that is most troubling of all.

 

lol That's why I chose my screen name carefully. Two wolves. :D

 

I wholly agree that when we, even individuals of more education or lesser education, do sift through lots of information, allot of us get fragments of possibilities of facts. Patterns occur to us. People become scientists because of the way our minds work.

 

What are you doing with the information, you want to prove explains stuff, that could prove useful?

[Deleted54170User]

The government researchs anything that suits their fancy. The spent tens of thousands of dollars, trying to figure out how a frisbee flies....... You can bet your bottom dollar that they are also researching less innocuous stuff as well. Hell, they are likely researching some variety (or, several varieties) of FTL drive. But, they aren't going to tell us about it.

 

Scientist's seek funding so they can do research on anything and everything under the sun. DoD supports any scientist whose work might give them an edge. As the DoJ give funding to scientists who support studying anthropology hoping to find and teach people better ways to live peacefully in the popularized civilization.

 

So then do Scientists who get funding rule the world?

 

If you were a scientist and the person in charge of your country was planning on destroying another countries food croplands would you give them the power?

 

Or would you call up your buddies from the college on your University campus and discuss plans to fund a new world order?

[TheMastersSon]

IMO you nailed the underlying problem on the head. As long as a demand exists for anything a supply will also exist, or it will be created from thin air if it doesn't. E.g. ask Monsanto why they produced Agent Orange and they'll tell you they were simply fulfilling a government contract. Etc. So in your example, the problem is not weapons-related research, the problem is the mandating of this research by our own tax dollars (i.e. government requests for weapons research).

 

Back on topic, or sort of... Tonight we searched for a video using our usual non-Google search engine (duckduckgo), and no joke, the only results we got were links to Youtube ONLY. The entire rest of the world has been entirely squelched. Except for Google of course.

Edited December 10, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[Deleted54170User]

Google's straining at keeping his gated cities people's attention when he opens with the new idea board and displays the latest charts right in his driveway. Sifting the same charts and ideas through his mind. With no change in his childlike thinking Elon Musk says he's sending his red Tesla Roadster to Mars. I hope the AI installed onboard doesn't miss him so much that it finds a way to return to Earth so they can marry and have little BORG's together.

 

Have you seen this article about small businesses.

 

This article from 2013 e.g.. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-why-the-economy-is-failing-2013-12-30

 

Opinion: Small business owners are overregulated and denigrated

The point that startled me so I read on was that the author pointedly says that he is, "I'm an S. O. B.."

[twowolves80]

It's going to get worse now that they finally got both parts of the original CISPA act they've been trying to push through for ten years: CISPA itself (which is a machiavellian piece of legislation as I've ever seen--seriously, who writes this sh*t and thinks it's okay?), and now the end of net neutrality. The corporations are trying to take over, and Google is at the forefront.