New design constructive feedback

[Xavilius]

hate the new layout, almost had a stroke while searching for my games.

there is an expression about this: don't fix something that isn't broken.

 

 

please undo those annoying changes.

[rbolitho]

 

 

Point is, you had your chance when Dark0ne posted a thread way back when telling people the change was coming, and almost no one wanted to offer suggestions and feedback.

 

Now, suddenly everyone is a UX designer.

 

 

Ummm... you do know what UX stands for, yeah?

 

Here's a hint:

 

The USERS of this site are telling you and everyone what they are EXPERIENCING.

 

BTW... it seems to be 90+% negative.

 

 

90% of the posters? Sure. How much is the sample posting on this subject compared with the total userbase?

 

 

Yeah I understand. If I were the admins/developers, seeing this kind of reaction... which, yes, lead to the kinds of questions we're asking above... I might consider adding a very short and simple poll on every page on the new site...

 

Do you like this? Yes/No

 

...with the option to add comments. Just make it so easy to express an opinion that you can be more comfortable with the assumption that silence is golden. To minimize SPAM you'd want to limit access to the poll to only logged on users and restrict responses to one per user account.

 

Just a thought.

Edited December 15, 2017 by rbolitho

[twowolves80]

 

 

 

I have tried to see what this so-called "Vortex" looks like, and guess what.....NOTHING COMES UP. Only things that come up are a SELECT FEW will be able to alpha test it soon then alpha will be out for the public. But guess what? Those select few are going to be the ones that ALREADY like it. So the results are already biased.

 

As for the new design, yeah it's out there now, but the majority of the people didn't even get to play around with it BEFORE you already put it in place. There was NO POLL, NO public opinion what so ever. If there was, then you would have been told from the start that the changes had been a bad idea from the start. And if Vortex is a copy of what we are getting from the "New" site design, I can tell it's going to flop hard.

 

Instead of picking and choosing who you want to test it, put it out there for EVERYONE all at once to try. DON'T make it replace NMM at the start, but give everyone the OPTION. This way you can hear the TRUE feedback about it BEFORE it does it's thing.

 

We may have lost the website to a junk filled, incomprehensible, unintuitive, Windows 8 copy, but we as the modders and gamers shouldn't have to lose NMM.

Wow. Let me parse this a few times so I know where to begin.

 

Okay, first of all, the admins, and Dark0ne in particular, has taken pains to keep us all apprised of the release date for Vortex, and how it will be released. Everything goes through alpha testing (and did you stop to think, this could be one possible reason why the new site isn't being developed as fast as some of us would like it?), so of course, Dark0ne is going to only release it to a few alpha-testers. And I guarantee those alpha testers are going to be the brightest that NexusMods has to offer. Why wouldn't he pick only the best? He needs people with a lot of technical know-how. That ain't me. Probably ain't you. Probably ain't 95% of the people on Nexus. Robin has already said that Vortex will get a beta release in the Spring. This isn't the only thread he posts in, and this thread and the other have a lot of pages, so it's understandable that you may have missed it.

 

Second, what good would a poll have done? I don't think it would have gone the way you think it would have, and even if it had, so what? We're not the owners of the site. We have no right to dictate demands to Dark0ne, or any of the other admins, regardless of whether we are paying members or not. It is a privilege to use this website, and be a part of this amazing community. That privilege is one I am grateful for and willing to give the admins the benefit of the doubt--they've never steered us wrong before, and I don't think Dark0ne is merely building something crappy to simply alienate users. Any polls would be at the whim of the admins and not subject to "rights." I don't know where people think they get "rights" from by simply being a member. I'm glad I don't have to make boardroom decisions--I don't have anywhere near the technical know-how to even begin to offer any insightful advice. Also, Dark0ne had posted a thread way back when before the new site was put in place, asking for feedback. Barely anyone responded. That was your one chance, and you either missed it because you weren't a member, or you missed it because you weren't paying attention. I know I missed it because I wasn't paying attention, but that's okay. I'm willing to put my faith in the admins and trust that they know what they are doing because they are privy to information we, the public, are not.

 

And are you really advocating keeping NMM? Pffff. That mod manager has gone about as far as it can. Most people (and this is an opinion based on those I've talked to) seem to be looking forward to Vortex because it will offer some kind of virtualization that Dark0ne has declined to go into detail about, which is his right as the site owner (probably the only person on the entire site who can be said to have "rights" on the site). Vortex is designed to address a lot of the flaws and shortcomings of both NMM and MO. You'll just have to be patient like the rest of us and wait and see. I choose to simply look at it like a delayed Christmas present; I can't wait to unwrap the gift being given to the community by the devs.

 

As for the new design for the site, There has been people, not including myself, who has taken the timeout to at least try it and try to like and since October, it does not resonate very well. I personally have taken almost the ENTIRE month of November to try and like the new design. The ENTIRE layout and how everything works is just slapping me in the face compared to the old design. Everything looks like it was done with MS Paint with all the design of the old changed to boxes. The layout and the design of the old design was really designed for ease of use even for newbies. They could easily just go in, set filters, and search for mods to their hearts content and not have to worry about filters not staying after backing one screen up. Unlike the new layout, while searching through the mods, the search functions ALWAYS stayed at the right hand side of the screen so you change the search parameters from ANY page. Pulling up a mod, if I want to see A picture, All I had to was click it. Once I was done, just click the pic again and it goes away. Now we have to deal with a mini Windows image viewer which pulls up ALL the pictures.

 

While browsing, if I click on list, I get 2 rows instead of the normal 1 row. The mods no longer have a nice definition that separates the from one another. they look more like they are part of ONE big long mod. Gone are the green title card for EACH mod.

 

Also gone are the "Search Attributes" that was set when you browsed for mods. I have certain attributes set up so when I browsed through the mods, the ones not checked will NOT show up.

 

 

Look, I already sure you guys have had more than enough people complaining about how terrible the "New deign" looks, so I won't continue to hammer in the coffin nails for the dead horse. I will say this, Change just for the sake of change will lead to ruin. Want an example? Star Trek Online has made changes just for the sake of making changes just because the devs didn't like them. Now they have actually lost over HALF of their player base and the numbers are still dropping. Don't go the way of the dodo and not listen to the users. The users can either make you or break you.

 

This horse is quite alive, I assure you, and is definitely a horse of a different color for those members who still prefer the old layout. But why did you wait to get this specific with your feedback? This is the stuff that actually helps the devs because it specifically identifies the issues that you feel are in need of addressing. That's all this thread asks of us--give the devs the details so they know what to improve/work on. And again, as SirSalami said earlier, and Dark0ne has said over and over and over, the new site has functionality that allows them to scale up the services while maintaining site functionality to prepare for the release of Vortex and make sure that everything is integrated in a way that will be easier for users.

 

No one is saying you don't have a right to feel however you feel about the site; the only thing we, the other members of the community, want you to see is just be specific like you just were. That's all.

 

The "new look" is a mess, complicated and user-hostile. All to be...."edgy" looking. I don't care about edgy looks, new window designs etc..I think I speak for a lot of people when we just want simple to navigate, easy to use and not have to click a bunch of things to just see an image or download, post comments, or w/e. Too many windows, boxes, places to click, a cumbersome, "in your face" design....it's not very sexy. It's a mess of clicking, scrolling, and then your NMM opens....like, what??

 

I speak for many: the previous was the best. And if it ain't broke; don't fix it. But, w/e...it's your site and these are our voices.

 

http://oi65.tinypic.com/28mlijr.jpg

 

Sorry, you don't speak for the many because I am one of the many that likes the new direction of the site and while I may have some qualms (what the hell are qualms, anyway? :tongue: ), I'm willing to have a little faith in the admins. The more I use the site, the more I like it. I'm finding new features the old site didn't have daily. My unsolicited advice? Just be patient. Good things are around the corner.

 

Man, if only I knew the devs to kiss their ass. Maybe I'd get my own personal front page where I could advertise my special brand donuts.

I'll take a dozen. No, make that two dozen.

 

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To my knowledge there hasn't been any data released demonstrating how many people like or dislike the new design. People posting on forums is not representative anywhere near the number of users of this site so making sweeping statements about most people disliking is not really based on anything that you actually know about.

Thank you.

 

Sweeping generalities are generally not helpful. It's okay to say, I don't like something, but short of being able to pull up collated data tables and statistics, we can't make such statements and expect it to help. Just use "I" statements and refrain from "you" statements.

 

 

 

It's funny how you respond with zero facts that you claim to have, use numerous memes that you made yourself, and try and dissolve what I stated by saying I was "edgy". What is edgy about critiquing something? Are you triggered because your precious new look you like is criticized? If so, stop being so edgy. It's cringey. Stop.

 

I don't have to have facts when your argument is flawed from jump street. In order for something to be factual, it has to be logical. I've been offering feedback for weeks on this thread and have been trying to keep people on point with specifics. Why? Because I give a damn? No, not really. I don't care if you want to sit there and do nothing but rant. Just don't do it here. I do this because I actually give a damn about the site, and don't want to see the loud-mouthed ravings of the malcontent few tear down what the majority seems to be enjoying. You have a total of maybe a couple hundred people saying, Boo, (mind you, after the fact since Dark0ne gave us all a chance to chip in feedback before the site went live and most didn't) and the majority is silent because they simply download the mods and go about their day. I'm here because I'd like to be a more active contributor, and since I can't monetarily support Robin right now, I sure as hell can support him by backing his decisions.

 

Also, I've made one meme on here, and it was quite spot-on. Dark0ne has my permission to post it right on the front page if he likes since it's so apropo. The only reason I posted the 4chan meme is because I found your use of the word, "edgy" to be funny and a rather witty attempt at light-hearted jest. However, your sweeping statement about the "majority" needed addressing. You don't speak for me, and I am one of those you tried lumping together. And your last statement I whole-heartedly agree with, so what's the problem? Why did you feel the need to use me as your jump-off point to try to validate your point of argument? There are tens of thousands of users on this site. 2.794% of that population doesn't like it (according to a random straw poll I just made up), so that's not really a majority.

 

What? I can't make up numbers? Pfff. Why not? How about if I just say a tiny portion? Too general? Hmm...wait, don't tell me I can't actually say that unless I have actual numbers...dammit. How am I supposed to make my brilliantly-witty observations based solely upon conjecture?!

 

Oh nos!

 

:ohdear:

Edited December 15, 2017 by twowolves80

[See24]

Super uncomfortable site interface. You need to give users a choice between the new and old design of the site.

[twowolves80]

Super uncomfortable site interface. You need to give users a choice between the new and old design of the site.

Or, since the admins have already said to the point of monotony that the new site ain't coming back, you could put down specifically what you don't like, and how you would change it (changing it back to the old site is not an option) to make it more useful and/or aesthetically-pleasing. You know, "New Design Constructive Feedback."

[See24]

 

Super uncomfortable site interface. You need to give users a choice between the new and old design of the site.

Or, since the admins have already said to the point of monotony that the new site ain't coming back, you could put down specifically what you don't like, and how you would change it (changing it back to the old site is not an option) to make it more useful and/or aesthetically-pleasing. You know, "New Design Constructive Feedback."

 

The information is scattered in different parts of the page, it's absolutely inconvenient. Content filters are hidden. The colors of the background and text are poorly perceived. Attached images do not open correctly.

The start page looks like a garbage dump. They poured all sorts of different pictures and the user should try to figure out what the hell is going on.

[twowolves80]

 

 

Super uncomfortable site interface. You need to give users a choice between the new and old design of the site.

Or, since the admins have already said to the point of monotony that the new site ain't coming back, you could put down specifically what you don't like, and how you would change it (changing it back to the old site is not an option) to make it more useful and/or aesthetically-pleasing. You know, "New Design Constructive Feedback."

 

The information is scattered in different parts of the page, it's absolutely inconvenient. Content filters are hidden. The colors of the background and text are poorly perceived. Attached images do not open correctly.

The start page looks like a garbage dump. They poured all sorts of different pictures and the user should try to figure out what the hell is going on.

 

Thank you! :) That's all they were looking for. Details. Yeah, it's fine that's it's piggish and slow right now--if we know, they do, too. I'm pretty sure they're aware of the attached images issue--seem to recall that coming up a dozen pages or so ago in this thread. The content filters are there, but it takes an extra click or two to get to them. Not the most convenient set up in the world, but it's workable.

 

I myself think that the tiles for the new games should be turned into a sidebar list so that the News and Announcements (maybe with the Site News tab defaulted to being the first you see) front and center as that is where important site information/announcements will come through.

[See24]

Better return the old design and 99% of the problems will be eliminated

[twowolves80]

Yes, but new problems would be created that would take far more effort to overcome than simply choosing a different website hosting service (with different coding and functionality) and starting from scratch to build it the way it should have been from start.

[NexBeth]

 

To my knowledge there hasn't been any data released demonstrating how many people like or dislike the new design. People posting on forums is not representative anywhere near the number of users of this site so making sweeping statements about most people disliking is not really based on anything that you actually know about.

And the same can be said for your argument, lack of people on the forums doesn't represent people liking it, either.

 

Nowhere have I posted opinion or data claiming that X% of users like the redesign. The idea that Nexus should post polls to see if the old design should stay or go or be replaced by the new site is audacious. The redesign of the new site has been in the works for some time, and Dark0ne has been courteous enough to actually share that redesign and what it will look like not just now but well over a year ago as well. Nowhere has the Admin of Nexus asked for opinions about whether the new site should be implemented. What has been asked for is feedback with bugs and features to get the thing going smoothly. It's pretty clear that the new site is made to work with all platforms and not just the pc. That is just good business sense clear and simple; particular when Dark0ne has been nice enough to tell us that a good chunk of browsers to the site (20%) are phone users.

 

This site represents a business that needs to make profits to keep the door open. To do that smartly in this day and age, it is sound business sense to make the site user friendly for all platforms, including phones and tablets. It is still perfectly usable for pc users as well, but now it is usable for other devises as well.