Net Neutrality - The End is the Beginning

[TheMastersSon]

The Senate will vote this Wednesday on the reversal of Pai's decision. Prayers appreciated.

 

Also one substantial glimmer of hope, John Thune (R-SD) recently claimed that "We" (i.e. the R's) "want net neutrality". It was the first part of a longer sentence, but at least it's an indication that some brain cells do remain in the party, and R's are now acting to codify what is in fact the only eventuality.

 

The internet is, always has been and only can be a two-way communications network, its traffic is thus under the jurisdiction of our FCC (I mean our legitimate one, not the current intentionally corrupted and thus fake one), not the FTC or any other federal agency. It's no different than our telephone and postal mail networks, in fact email now qualifies as both our country's and the world's primary medium for private communications, at a rate of 80 to 1 over postal mail.

Edited May 16, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[TheMastersSon]

Pai's decision was reversed in the Senate, and a very slight majority of our Senate still care about the constitutional rights of their own families. That's the good news. The horrible news is that 47 senators just formally decided that orchestrated treason and imposed fascist repression are A-ok in their books, thus declared their proven status as fascist traitors to our Constitution, and are thus removable by any means necessary. According to our Constitution, not me. Well both actually.

 

The House is expected to thumb their nose at popular will, just as Trump's intentionally and specifically corrupted FCC did. I say let them thumb their noses while they still have thumbs and noses. :) If the House fails to reverse Pai's decision, our states will pass their own legislation to defend and protect our rights, and it will be the unfortunate and absurd (not to mention futile and doomed to failure before it even begins) job of our own federal employees to continue forcibly and outrageously repressing these rights, and repressing the right of the states to regulate their own utility traffic and other networks. I feed bad for them because the only eventuality possible is not the one they've deluded themselves into believing they've gotten away with. The internet will not be gutted on specific behalf of our media and cable TV establishments, or on behalf of pocketed politicians these same industries raise and elect (practically not technically of course) in our country.

Edited May 17, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Pai's decision was reversed in the Senate, and a very slight majority of our Senate still care about the constitutional rights of their own families. That's the good news. The horrible news is that 46 senators just formally decided that orchestrated treason and imposed fascist repression are A-ok in their books, thus declared their proven status as fascist traitors to our Constitution, and are thus removable by any means necessary. According to our Constitution, not me. Well both actually.

 

The House is expected to thumb their nose at popular will, just as Trump's intentionally and specifically corrupted FCC did. I say let them thumb their noses while they still have thumbs and noses. :smile: If the House fails to reverse Pai's decision, our states will pass their own legislation to defend and protect our rights, and it will be the unfortunate and absurd (not to mention futile and doomed to failure before it even begins) job of our own federal employees to continue forcibly and outrageously repressing these rights, and repressing the right of the states to regulate their own utility traffic and other networks. I feed bad for them because the only eventuality possible is not the one they've deluded themselves into believing they've gotten away with. The internet will not be gutted on specific behalf of our media and cable TV establishments, or on behalf of pocketed politicians these same industries raise and elect (practically not technically of course) in our country.

There is a bill working its way thru the process that would make it illegal for states to pass their own net neutrality laws.

[TheMastersSon]

Whatever. The only way it will become our law is with millions of Americans behind prison bars or in graves. And a whole bunch of proven fascist traitors sent to their rightful fate. Edited May 17, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Whatever. The only way it will become our law is with millions of Americans behind prison bars or in graves. And a whole bunch of proven fascist traitors sent to their rightful fate.

You keep going on about that kind of thing.... fascism, treason, the 'proletariat rising up and overthrowing the chains of a repressive government', etc...... And it makes it difficult for me to take anything you say seriously. None of these actions are new. None of this information is new. The american people have known for several decades that our government really couldn't care less about you, unless you can donate millions to their campaign funds. THOSE are the people that ACTUALLY run the country. Yet they still continue to put the same known crooks in office every election cycle. And these are the people you expect to actually get up and DO something??? Seriously? Their track record really ain't so good. They haven't done anything different for more than 50 years. Your belief and claims that they are suddenly going to rise up are baseless, and leaping over the border of delusional. You need a serious reality check. The american people aren't going to do squat. They will sit back and watch, and maybe complain here and there, until the whole thing comes crashing down. Then the only thing they are going to do is, try and find someone else to blame. In the meantime, they will make great effort to put the exact same system back in place.......

[TheMastersSon]

Almost all of that is hogwash. The Trump/Pai orchestrated treason was unprecedented in our 240-year history. And it will not stand because it cannot stand in our country. Or rather, the only way it can stand is if we no longer have a country. Between Trump and our current Congress (and even my state initiatives and votes, e.g. 60% of Californians no longer respect our Second Amendment etc) we may in fact be the world's newest Nazi Germany. In which case nothing else remains to be done imo except to leave while it's still possible and watch the final stages of this $22 trillion debt settlement from a hopefully-safe-from-the-nuclear-fallout distance. I certainly stand by my 40+ years of predictions of this eventuality, and decision to stop recognizing this illegitimate and now officially fascist government in 1971, ever since they started forcing the American people to get up and go to work every day to try and compete with 1.5 totalitarian Communists who have no recognized rights or freedoms. If you wish to know the actual reason why America now resembles the USSR more than the USA, with 70+ million people holding their hands out for government assistance, and the reason for inexorable evaporation of the world's private sector. It can and will only get worse until we address the cause of the problem. Edited May 17, 2018 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Almost all of that is hogwash. The Trump/Pai orchestrated treason was unprecedented in our 240-year history. And it will not stand because it cannot stand in our country.

Yeah. Right. You are indeed delusional. Unprecedented? Really? The net neutrality thing pales in comparison to even the patriot act, which congress made some parts permanent. NAFTA, the invasion of Iraq, Vietnam, etc. It isn't JUST the net neutrality thing, this has been going on for decades.

[TheMastersSon]

It was unprecedented in terms of intentional corruption of a public agency and subsequent treason specifically enabled by this corruption. I don't disagree with your list or point.

[HeyYou]

It was unprecedented in terms of intentional corruption of a public agency and subsequent treason specifically enabled by this corruption. I don't disagree with your list or point.

So far, the FCC action has NOT resulted in over 6000 american soldiers dead, tens of thousand injured, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, or, the frittering away of several trillion dollars. THAT is 'unprecedented', the FCC action isn't even a ripple on the ocean in comparison. Bush lied, people died.

[TheMastersSon]

While it's all correct, your points don't address or disprove my claim. Can you name another instance in our history of intentional corruption of a public and chartered non-partisan agency to facilitate a specific act of partisan treason? Again you're confusing my claim that it's unprecedented with your claim that worse things have been done by our federal government. I'm referring to method of treason not severity, although I disagree entirely with your "not even a ripple in the ocean" assessment of it. It's the first time our federal government has not only attempted but succeeded at forcible repression of our constitutional rights, and from what I'm reading they're not done trying yet.