CyniclyPink Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56160276. #56166746, #56170356, #56171606, #56173686, #56177316, #56178271, #56179031 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote CyniclyPink wrote: I'm all for mod authors getting some reward for their efforts. Some have taken years to complete. I hope this works out OK. Quote Airbreathers wrote: I think you have the right idea. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: Except it is modder's choice to make a free mod, no one should be kept responsible for it but the modder. If they want money, this is not the site. And it should remain as user's choice to donate extra. Quote Ethreon wrote: Please outline the portion where you are being forced to do anything, be you modder or user. Quote Airbreathers wrote: i don't think saying this is not the site, Based on this post, It is the site, probably the only site that will reward you for doing what you love, For you second point, its becoming more and more a parent that people don't read the actual post. This is Donation, Meaning you Give freely of your own heart or you do not,( which is in every way completely fine, not everyone can) That money is Basically donated to Nexus/ Community / Mod Makers at large. Nexus then Secretly divides up the Total donation, and then divvies it out to Modder based solely on a metric that can be tracked and is fair in the sense that basically in a real round-a-bout way now every person that downloaded the mod donated something like probably 1 cent (lets be real here) to the author. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced. Quote Ethreon wrote: "No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced."Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Quote Zaldiir wrote: Nothing is being forced onto you. You can continue to use the site exactly as you did before.It IS still users choice to donate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbreathers Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56181426. #56183116 is also a reply to the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote ComScreen wrote: On 12/22/2017 at 9:29 PM, Ethreon said: In response to post #56160276. #56166746, #56170356, #56171606, #56173686, #56177316 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote CyniclyPink wrote: I'm all for mod authors getting some reward for their efforts. Some have taken years to complete. I hope this works out OK. Quote Airbreathers wrote: I think you have the right idea. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: Except it is modder's choice to make a free mod, no one should be kept responsible for it but the modder. If they want money, this is not the site. And it should remain as user's choice to donate extra. Quote Ethreon wrote: Please outline the portion where you are being forced to do anything, be you modder or user. Quote Airbreathers wrote: i don't think saying this is not the site, Based on this post, It is the site, probably the only site that will reward you for doing what you love,For you second point, its becoming more and more a parent that people don't read the actual post. This is Donation, Meaning you Give freely of your own heart or you do not,( which is in every way completely fine, not everyone can) That money is Basically donated to Nexus/ Community / Mod Makers at large. Nexus then Secretly divides up the Total donation, and then divvies it out to Modder based solely on a metric that can be tracked and is fair in the sense that basically in a real round-a-bout way now every person that downloaded the mod donated something like probably 1 cent (lets be real here) to the author. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced."No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced."Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Yes, stop posting nonsense, and especially stop posting things that our friend has no rational, logical objection to make against whatsoever, it might make him feel a bit awkward. Quote Ethreon wrote: I bet you feel pretty awkward.I'm Not worried about his View anymore. I'm 1000% sure he's Trolling. So ill disregard anything else he post on this subject. I mean there is no way he doesn't realize that he doesn't run this site, nor it's users. He's not some kinda scary mind controlling god, well at least to the best of my knowledge.We now have something far more important to deal with, something that actually could and probably will hurt the community, ModDrop. This is something the 2,371,146,881 users of this site, Need to stand up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EbokianKnight Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56103896. #56125031, #56127321, #56179026, #56183806 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote Kajuan wrote: I guess I agree. I almost stop modding also cause this, users are not willing to even click an endorsement, imagine... Endorsements, indeed, are around 5% / 10% of unique downloads, and the "thanks" even less. Too much hours of hard work on some mods for just this.Even Nexusmods, I guess, lives upon something more tangible, and this also due to the modders work as well. Quote Asaforg wrote: As a fellow mod author, I just want to say I love and appreciate all your awesome work. :thumbsup: I would love if mods could be sorted with an endorsement to unique download ratio. Quote Kajuan wrote: Well, I don't expect an endorsement for each unique download really, like 1:1, cause someone could just download, try and delete the mod, but also a percent of 5%/10% looks like more a lazy thing by the most users, seen it is just as free as a click of mouse. Thank you Asaforg. Quote qwormuli wrote: Firstly, love your retextures. Next, i believe, that for most not endorsing is just inattention and forgetfulness, instead of laziness or anything nefarious. I, too, often go "wait, i HAVEN'T endorsed that?" Quote Kajuan wrote: More or less the same thing I suppose, call it inattention but, it is by more than 90% of the users. The percentage speaks for itself.Just saying... sometimes the lack of endorsements are not someone choosing NOT to say thanks. When I first started modding all those years ago, I would download literally everything, and just run through entire batches of stuff. I was all like – Let's try these 150 mods today! Then, I would play with some of them IG and then download another 150 and try something new the next day. Half the time I didn't remember where they all came from, and you can imagine the volume of WOW Those didn't play together.... that came along with this mass-style voyage into modding.My, "you haven't endorsed this yet" list is so long it's basically a spam message I still get to this day. And no I haven't spent the hours it'll take to actually and fairly go back through that list. That said, I endorse bunches still. I just understand that out of those that download the mod (because Oh cool! click button is easy), maybe 50-60% might actually try it out. (because plugging one in is not always easy). Of those that try it out, half might remember that Nexus has an endorse button at all, and maybe half of those actually know that some modders care about it. In reality, I'd say that a 10-15% endorsements per unique download rate is AWESOME. Thinking that you're going to get more out of the other chunk of users, is probably not realistic at all. Not because they're just heartless, but because modding is already a stressful thing to many people and even navigating back to the page might be a problem for them. Welcome to a CLICK DOWNLOAD counter. All it takes is some kid to go, OH NEAT CLICK. And then maybe they figure it out. This is the exact same reason we have all those PLZ READ BEFORE COMMENTING posts. Because descriptions are long / installations need to be basically automated for youthful attention spans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EbokianKnight Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Niffty. I mean, I honestly don't care what you do with some spare ad revenue, so long as the site remains up and the goodies accessible when the mood strikes. If this drives up participation, neat. It does seem a bit odd that if Nexus has a slow month, and say only 50 mods (for a really popular game) are made, and they're basically like random preset mods, or some other body slide something, or just someone doing a merge patch between two already popular mods: that they will be rewarded for far larger % of the pool, then perhaps an EPIC MOD that happened to come out during the same month as two other EPIC MODS. I almost feel like the length of time under consideration should be more like quarterly to more fairly judge a broader swath of releases amongst each other. At first, I wanted to say annually, but that seems like an unreasonably long time, as sometimes modder's attention spans are just gone by then. Will it be obvious to users on the download / main app page if a particular mod is subscribed to the scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disi30 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The only money I ever invested into modding were some sound files, Redgare reflector licence and some hex editor licence. I'll never opt-in as a hobby-modder, but anything not prompting users to pay money for downloading some file from here is great. As soon as I would ask for money, it would not be a hobby for me any more. Anyway, thanks NexusMods exists :) "embargo from the UK/UN" does that include the whole EU in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinBlack Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) In response to post #56160276. #56166746, #56170356, #56171606, #56173686, #56177316, #56178271, #56179031, #56184291 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote CyniclyPink wrote: I'm all for mod authors getting some reward for their efforts. Some have taken years to complete. I hope this works out OK. Quote Airbreathers wrote: I think you have the right idea. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: Except it is modder's choice to make a free mod, no one should be kept responsible for it but the modder. If they want money, this is not the site. And it should remain as user's choice to donate extra. Quote Ethreon wrote: Please outline the portion where you are being forced to do anything, be you modder or user. Quote Airbreathers wrote: i don't think saying this is not the site, Based on this post, It is the site, probably the only site that will reward you for doing what you love, For you second point, its becoming more and more a parent that people don't read the actual post. This is Donation, Meaning you Give freely of your own heart or you do not,( which is in every way completely fine, not everyone can) That money is Basically donated to Nexus/ Community / Mod Makers at large. Nexus then Secretly divides up the Total donation, and then divvies it out to Modder based solely on a metric that can be tracked and is fair in the sense that basically in a real round-a-bout way now every person that downloaded the mod donated something like probably 1 cent (lets be real here) to the author. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced. Quote Ethreon wrote: "No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced."Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Quote Zaldiir wrote: Nothing is being forced onto you. You can continue to use the site exactly as you did before. Quote CyniclyPink wrote: It IS still users choice to donate. Quote Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Exactly using the same logic, I don't have to ask you what I am going to post. Edited December 23, 2017 by SanguinBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickups Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) A central system I a donate to that all worthy nexus modders can draw from... this is an answer to all my problems cant wait to see this put in place and its tough to choose which mod author to support and what ends up happening is I end up not supporting as much as I should this system would honestly put my mind at ease that I'm helping through one central donation. Edited December 23, 2017 by hickups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwormuli Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56160276. #56166746, #56170356, #56171606, #56173686, #56177316, #56178271, #56179031, #56184291, #56198556 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote CyniclyPink wrote: I'm all for mod authors getting some reward for their efforts. Some have taken years to complete. I hope this works out OK. Quote Airbreathers wrote: I think you have the right idea. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: Except it is modder's choice to make a free mod, no one should be kept responsible for it but the modder. If they want money, this is not the site. And it should remain as user's choice to donate extra. Quote Ethreon wrote: Please outline the portion where you are being forced to do anything, be you modder or user. Quote Airbreathers wrote: i don't think saying this is not the site, Based on this post, It is the site, probably the only site that will reward you for doing what you love, For you second point, its becoming more and more a parent that people don't read the actual post. This is Donation, Meaning you Give freely of your own heart or you do not,( which is in every way completely fine, not everyone can) That money is Basically donated to Nexus/ Community / Mod Makers at large. Nexus then Secretly divides up the Total donation, and then divvies it out to Modder based solely on a metric that can be tracked and is fair in the sense that basically in a real round-a-bout way now every person that downloaded the mod donated something like probably 1 cent (lets be real here) to the author. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced. Quote Ethreon wrote: "No. It is not the site. If it happens without my consent, -hell, If I did not order it specifically- it is forced."Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Quote Zaldiir wrote: Nothing is being forced onto you. You can continue to use the site exactly as you did before. Quote CyniclyPink wrote: It IS still users choice to donate. Quote SanguinBlack wrote: Quote Stop posting nonsense. The site owner doesn't have to ask you if he can implement features. This is in no way forced onto anyone and you're just blabbering at this point. Exactly using the same logic, I don't have to ask you what I am going to post.<SanguinBlack> Except he/she is speaking some sense. Could you outline The specific part you are forced to take part in and how it is stroking you the wrong way, so i/we can even understand, what your problem is with this? You don't have to pay for anything. You don't have to donate. You are not being flagged as supporter of anything, unlessyou do it yourself. You don't have to donate to anyone, even if you stil CAN do it the same way as before, if you want to. You don't have to accept the DP from your mods, if you don't want to. Your DP is not public. You can give them to whoever you want, in whatever way you want to(withing reason). you can set the terms for your content yourself(but i'd hope any clause for that should be public at upload/changes to avoid any whammies, which i believe it is going to be, so no worries there.).Where is the forcing part in the post above? And while feedback is appreciated and almost expected on these things, should Dark0ne mediate with every single active user personally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwormuli Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56187486. Reveal hidden contents Quote EbokianKnight wrote: Niffty. I mean, I honestly don't care what you do with some spare ad revenue, so long as the site remains up and the goodies accessible when the mood strikes. If this drives up participation, neat. It does seem a bit odd that if Nexus has a slow month, and say only 50 mods (for a really popular game) are made, and they're basically like random preset mods, or some other body slide something, or just someone doing a merge patch between two already popular mods: that they will be rewarded for far larger % of the pool, then perhaps an EPIC MOD that happened to come out during the same month as two other EPIC MODS. I almost feel like the length of time under consideration should be more like quarterly to more fairly judge a broader swath of releases amongst each other. At first, I wanted to say annually, but that seems like an unreasonably long time, as sometimes modder's attention spans are just gone by then.Will it be obvious to users on the download / main app page if a particular mod is subscribed to the scheme?Fair point, but sadly hard to implement. Worth discussing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwormuli Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 In response to post #56103896. #56125031, #56127321, #56179026, #56183806, #56187301 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote Kajuan wrote: I guess I agree. I almost stop modding also cause this, users are not willing to even click an endorsement, imagine... Endorsements, indeed, are around 5% / 10% of unique downloads, and the "thanks" even less. Too much hours of hard work on some mods for just this.Even Nexusmods, I guess, lives upon something more tangible, and this also due to the modders work as well. Quote Asaforg wrote: As a fellow mod author, I just want to say I love and appreciate all your awesome work. :thumbsup: I would love if mods could be sorted with an endorsement to unique download ratio. Quote Kajuan wrote: Well, I don't expect an endorsement for each unique download really, like 1:1, cause someone could just download, try and delete the mod, but also a percent of 5%/10% looks like more a lazy thing by the most users, seen it is just as free as a click of mouse. Thank you Asaforg. Quote qwormuli wrote: Firstly, love your retextures. Next, i believe, that for most not endorsing is just inattention and forgetfulness, instead of laziness or anything nefarious. I, too, often go "wait, i HAVEN'T endorsed that?" Quote Kajuan wrote: More or less the same thing I suppose, call it inattention but, it is by more than 90% of the users. The percentage speaks for itself. Quote EbokianKnight wrote: Just saying... sometimes the lack of endorsements are not someone choosing NOT to say thanks. When I first started modding all those years ago, I would download literally everything, and just run through entire batches of stuff. I was all like – Let's try these 150 mods today! Then, I would play with some of them IG and then download another 150 and try something new the next day. Half the time I didn't remember where they all came from, and you can imagine the volume of WOW Those didn't play together.... that came along with this mass-style voyage into modding.My, "you haven't endorsed this yet" list is so long it's basically a spam message I still get to this day. And no I haven't spent the hours it'll take to actually and fairly go back through that list. That said, I endorse bunches still. I just understand that out of those that download the mod (because Oh cool! click button is easy), maybe 50-60% might actually try it out. (because plugging one in is not always easy). Of those that try it out, half might remember that Nexus has an endorse button at all, and maybe half of those actually know that some modders care about it. In reality, I'd say that a 10-15% endorsements per unique download rate is AWESOME. Thinking that you're going to get more out of the other chunk of users, is probably not realistic at all. Not because they're just heartless, but because modding is already a stressful thing to many people and even navigating back to the page might be a problem for them. Welcome to a CLICK DOWNLOAD counter. All it takes is some kid to go, OH NEAT CLICK. And then maybe they figure it out. This is the exact same reason we have all those PLZ READ BEFORE COMMENTING posts. Because descriptions are long / installations need to be basically automated for youthful attention spans.Well, i personally haze zero sympathies for people not reading the description, when they have something to ask. Sometimes even i can just gloss over a mod description before installing, but i wouldn't be caught dead asking for something stated in the modpage/readme. Re-reading them is the first step to troubleshooting, and it fixes a large part of all problems. With filling the bug report page(or comments with bug reports) you don't just inconveniece the author and other users, but even yourself. You can easily save time by reading it yourself, instead of asking about it and waiting for answers.And don't get me started on the "will you do this for Xbone?" - people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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