Unstable frame rate

[Tinaaa]

I have skyrim with over 250 mods I know it's hard but I'd like to play at least 30 frame rates, I wanted to know if there's an application or something else to increase frame rates, vsync is disabled, every time I move the mouse quickly game slows down I tried to edit the ini file for the mouse but nothing to do.Bethini tried it but it does not work as I hoped. My problem is definitely the cpu a first generation intel combined with a 4vram video card, the frame rates are unstable sometimes I have 60 sometimes 30 sometimes 20 sometimes 15 depends on the place and the speed in which I move the mouse. Thanks to everyone who will help me

Edited January 18, 2018 by Tinaaa

[JohnnynRoger]

What are your specs and frame rate in vanilla Skyrim? If you have sub 8gb of RAM, might need to delete up to 150 or more mods. If you have over 250 mods then I don't even need to see your mod list. You should probably uninstall every mod you have and start building a new mod list from scratch. Not only do you have the CPU bottleneck, but having more than 50 or so activate plug-ins has been known affect performance. Having over 255 has been known to break the game.

 

Mods that only make changes to existing vanilla assets are significantly less CPU intensive then mods that add things to the game world.

[sopmac45]

I totally agree with JohnnynRoger ... I do have the Nvidia 1070 with SSD drive and i7 + 16gb RAM and I am just running 125 mods, one ENB and several graphic mods ... my FPS stay no less than 55 because the ENB make you loose some FPS but my 8gb in my video card are helping me on this. When I do not have the ENB, my FPS remain fixed ( 98% of the time ) at 60.

 

Definitely, running 250 mods with a rig with less power will drop your FPS. Try to be selective in the type of mods you need. Don't fall in the trap of quantity but quality mods. I understand that you would like to have that many, but honestly, I do not think that 250 mods are necessary to have a great game experience. For me, mods must give me something extra in the gameplay department that vanilla is not giving me.

 

For example, in Fallout 4, I run a mod named : WOTC ( War of the Commonwealth ) which spawn a lot of enemies and make my game more challenging. What would I need ( for example ) a freaking better mama Murphy chair in my load order? Will that improve my gameplay ? Not for me. I am not going to be looking at that mummy sitting in her freaking better chair, do you see my point ? While others are excited about this mod, for me is the last mod I would download, with all my due respect to the mod author. Just gave you my idea about modding.

 

In Skyrim I keep only mods that will make my game better. Skyrim is boring. I have been playing this game for years so I need something different in it to continue playing it and there are several mods that make it interesting but also, there are thousand of mods that IMHO, should not be download it. Think about it.

[Tinaaa]

Thank you guys for your reply, so when i start the game without the mod the game is very fast , ram memory is 9 gigabyte, i know i should change the cpu and motherboard and ram memory because are very old and I know that all these mods are crazy and you're absolutely right.. Did you think skyshade reshade affects the performance or not? Thanks a lot guys you are the best

Edited January 19, 2018 by Tinaaa

[Moksha8088]

Over 250 seems like way too many mods. Unfortunately, removing a bunch of mods, other than textures, will destabilize your game. Next time you want to add that many mods, practice some deep breathing and relaxation exercises till that urge subsides. If worse comes to worse, have a bowl of horker stew for those overwhelming bouts of mod addiction.

 

Some mods really stress your system. Mods adding large battle scenes will bring any system to its knees. There is one battle scene in the Rigmor of Bruma mod that renders my character unusable. Had to rely on a couple of powerful companions to bring the battle to a conclusion, because they were apparently doing their killing despite the game rendering less than one frame per second.

 

Read the mod descriptions and choose them wisely. That Skyshade ReShade will have some effect but it is probably worth it for appealing graphics.

[JimmyRJump]

What are your specs and frame rate in vanilla Skyrim? If you have sub 8gb of RAM, might need to delete up to 150 or more mods. If you have over 250 mods then I don't even need to see your mod list. You should probably uninstall every mod you have and start building a new mod list from scratch. Not only do you have the CPU bottleneck, but having more than 50 or so activate plug-ins has been known affect performance. Having over 255 has been known to break the game.

 

Mods that only make changes to existing vanilla assets are significantly less CPU intensive then mods that add things to the game world.

Wrong. Amount of mods has nothing to do with fps. And of course the game crashes when having more than 255 plug-ins since that's the maximum the game's engine can load. Originally, the 256 cap was a 32-bits engine limit and shouldn't be there any longer in a 64-bits engine, but Bethesda kept the cap in SSE nevertheless.

 

What matters is what kind of texture mods we are talking about on what kind of GPU and in what resolution the game is played. Even when talking purely texture replacers (non plug-in mods). Same thing goes for mods that add items through a plug-in. It's not the amount but the size of the textures and amount of polygons involved.

 

When having below eight GB of system RAM then it is advisable to stay at or below 1K textures with an occasional 2K texture when it concerns smaller items. If on top of that 4GB of system RAM you have a GPU with just 2 to 4GB, then forget about higher resolution textures and better stay with mods like the Vivid series that ameliorate how things look without using above 512kb files.

 

I'm currently loading 401 mods (248 plug-ins) with mostly 2 and 4K textures and the Natural View Tamriel ENB preset for Natural Atmosperic Tamriel weather mod on an 8GB MSI RX470 GamingX GPU, i7 3770k, 16GB of KHX RAM@1600MHz on an AsRock Z77 eXtreme11 motherboard. I vary between 40 and 60fps with dips to 35 in densely forested areas (using Skyrim 3D Trees 2K option).

 

I strongly suggest to use the Insignificant Object Remover mod that does away with items that can't be seen but still need to be rendered by the game's engine. Not a major boost, but it will give some fps gain. It's a start.

 

Here's my load order as copied from LOOT:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 SkyrimBordersDisabled.esm

8 8 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

9 9 Cutting Room Floor.esp

10 a SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

11 b Bring Out Your Dead.esp

12 c Ducks and Swans.esp

13 d Lanterns of Skyrim Light Balance Patch.esp

14 e FNIS.esp

15 f Unique Character.esp

16 10 KS Hairdo's.esp

17 11 Footprints.esp

18 12 SkyrimIsWindy.esp

19 13 Extended Character Creation Options.esp

20 14 MamTuskPowderGrind.esp

21 15 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp

22 16 Our Days & Months.esp

23 17 Hunters Not Bandits.esp

24 18 InfiniteShoutsTalosShrine.esp

25 19 Metalsabers Beautiful Elves of Skyrim.esp

26 1a SexyVest.esp

27 1b mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp

28 1c NosPiercedEarsAll.esp

29 1d MoreGourdsAndPotatoes.esp

30 1e NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp

31 1f Mammoths - Improved Loot - No Powder Recipe.esp

32 20 XPMSSE.esp

33 21 HN66_NAILS4ALL.esp

34 22 DemonHunterArmor.esp

35 23 DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp

36 24 FasterHorses.esp

37 25 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

38 26 Projectile Speed Tweak.esp

39 27 timescale6.esp

40 28 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

41 29 Insignificant Object Remover.esp

42 2a Better Amulet of Talos.esp

43 2b RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp

44 2c DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp

45 2d No More Standing Too Close SSE 1-0.esp

46 2e UnrelentingForce700%.esp

47 2f StandingStonesBetterEffects.esp

48 30 Unlimited Training.esp

49 31 TrueAurielBow.esp

50 32 CriticalCorrection.esp

51 33 EbonyBlade - Potent.esp

52 34 CiriOutfit.esp

53 35 Tiwa-Spice-Mini-Merged.esp

54 36 nordicsnow.esp

55 37 KrittaKittyHorsesForSSE.esp

56 38 Intriguante's Wear NO.esp

57 39 SkyUI_SE.esp

58 3a LazyCBP.esp

59 3b Marie Serana.esp

60 3c Serana Hood Removal.esp

61 3d Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

62 3e Simple AUA.esp

63 3f InigoPerkPointGiver.esp

64 40 DustEffectsSSE.esp

65 41 Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp

66 42 Northgirl.esp

67 43 TW3Eyes.esp

68 44 Elegant Beauty Stunning Eyes.esp

69 45 BrajornLoadingNSFW.esp

70 46 SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp

71 47 OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSSE.esp

72 48 kuzak-bodyandstockings.esp

73 49 SSE_Amb_SimaEffect.esp

74 4a HighJumpMod.esp

75 4b CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp

76 4c THMeeko.esp

77 4d SmartNoMoreStupidDog.esp

78 4e TAZ_killcamtweak.esp

79 4f HentaiVoidArmor.esp

80 50 firebreath.esp

81 51 Dragon Stalking Fix.esp

82 52 Cherry's Eyes.esp

83 53 Beards.esp

84 54 NB-Scars.esp

85 55 Realistic HaircolorsPale.esp

86 56 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

87 57 RegnPiercings.esp

88 58 UniqueGrimsever.esp

89 59 UniqueStormfang.esp

90 5a RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp

91 5b 01NobleWarriorCottage2.0.esp

92 5c Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp

93 5d Book Covers Skyrim.esp

94 5e S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp

95 5f Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

96 60 Immersive Jewelry.esp

97 61 Metalsabers Beautiful Ladies of Skyrim.esp

98 62 Aesthetic Elisif.esp

99 63 WeightLessLegacyAll.esp

100 64 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp

101 65 RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp

102 66 mrbs-uniqueloot-se.esp

103 67 GoldToSeptims.esp

104 68 MoreColorfulCritters.esp

105 69 Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp

106 6a Blowing in the Wind - Lanterns of Skyrim Patch SSE.esp

107 6b GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

108 6c HN66_Earrings.esp

109 6d BetterTreasuryHouse.esp

110 6e NAT.esp

111 6f Brighter toggleable Candlelight and Torches.esp

112 70 crimsonquestmarkers.esp

113 71 Cidhna Mine Both Rewards.esp

114 72 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

115 73 PlantableNirnrootv03.esp

116 74 Perk Points and More Gold for Bounty Quests.esp

117 75 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

118 76 MorrowindImports.esp

119 77 LazyHeels.esp

120 78 VHTNFSSE.esp

121 79 AngasMillReborn.esp

122 7a UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

123 7b JKs Whiterun.esp

124 7c JK's Riverwood.esp

125 7d IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

126 7e Darkwater Crossing.esp

127 7f Shor's Stone.esp

128 80 SPTUnlimitedRingsSE.esp

129 81 LeftHandRings.esp

130 82 SPTUnlimitedAmuletsSE.esp

131 83 greatswords.esp

132 84 Ivarstead.esp

133 85 Helarchen Creek.esp

134 86 Kynesgrove.esp

135 87 Whistling Mine.esp

136 88 Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

137 89 Karthwasten.esp

138 8a RealisticWaterTwo.esp

139 8b Ashbound.esp

140 8c BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp

141 8d Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

142 8e HearthFires Roads.esp

143 8f Convenient Bridges.esp

144 90 Point The Way.esp

145 91 Better Dynamic Snow.esp

146 92 RealisticWinterhold.esp

147 93 Laundry.esp

148 94 Seashells.esp

149 95 more idle markers.esp

150 96 Windhelm Docks Pathways SE.esp

151 97 PlainView.esp

152 98 Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp

153 99 Run For Your Lives.esp

154 9a Deluxe ArchmageQuarters V1.3.esp

155 9b RiversideLodge.esp

156 9c SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp

157 9d Lakeview No Altar (Alchemical).esp

158 9e Keld-Nar.esp

159 9f HeljarchenFarm.esp

160 a0 Dawnstar.esp

161 a1 WindstadMine.esp

162 a2 BugJarReplacer.esp

163 a3 UniqueBorderGates-All.esp

164 a4 Xploding Barrels.esp

165 a5 Trees in Cities.esp

166 a6 True Master Trainers (Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch).esp

167 a7 Dolmen Ruins.esp

168 a8 mihailogres.esp

169 a9 Solitude Exterior Addon.esp

170 aa Skyshards.esp

171 ab waterplants.esp

172 ac Veydosebrom - Grasses and Groundcover.esp

173 ad Mixwater Mill Reborn.esp

174 ae Solitude Skyway SE.esp

175 af shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp

176 b0 shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp

177 b1 DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp

178 b2 Windstad Trophy Entryway.esp

179 b3 FarmhouseChimneys.esp

180 b4 Provincial Courier Service.esp

181 b5 Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp

182 b6 Bells of Skyrim.esp

183 b7 Dragon Claw Stands.esp

184 b8 Dragon Bridge.esp

185 b9 Ars Metallica.esp

186 ba SkyrimRecycling.esp

187 bb Batch Crafting Recipes SE.esp

188 bc JLA_SmelterRecipe.esp

189 bd Tanning And Smelting Experience.esp

190 be HN66_NAILS4ALL_GauntletSupportSSE.esp

191 bf HN66mage4vanilla.esp

192 c0 Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp

193 c1 LADX_SSE.esp

194 c2 ESO Nord Weapons.esp

195 c3 EastmarchOreVeins.esp

196 c4 EmbersHD.esp

197 c5 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

198 c6 HoldBorderBanners.esp

199 c7 dragonstrikebow.esp

200 c8 BooksOfSkyrim.esp

201 c9 Blowing in the Wind - JK's Riverwood Patch SSE.esp

202 ca Blowing in the Wind - JK's Whiterun Patch SSE.esp

203 cb FarmhouseChimneysArthmoorVillagesMerged.esp

204 cc Road to Morthal.esp

205 cd FarmhouseChimneysCRF.esp

206 ce CraftingSupplies_AIO_ALL.esp

207 cf Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp

208 d0 Gildergreen Regrown.esp

209 d1 Better Skill and Quest Books Names SE.esp

210 d2 NWBNotStupid.esp

211 d3 BetterGauldurAmulet.esp

212 d4 Eyeliner Replacer.esp

213 d5 WestWindAssault.esp

214 d6 TW3_ArmorVariants_Undeadgoblin.esp

215 d7 Bikini Armors.esp

216 d8 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

217 d9 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

218 da SolitudeTempleFrescoes.esp

219 db SolstheimLighthouse.esp

220 dc BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1.esp

221 dd Fresh Faces - USSEP.esp

222 de SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp

223 df Dark_Brotherhood_V2.esp

224 e0 All_Housecarls.esp

225 e1 Dodge Mod.esp

226 e2 MultiJump.esp

227 e3 TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp

228 e4 Maskless.esp

229 e5 ESO Altmer Armor by NewrMind43.esp

230 e6 SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp

231 e7 SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp

232 e8 UltimateRing.esp

233 e9 moonpath.esp

234 ea College Bridge Light Fix - Clean ITM and Remove Unnecessary Record.esp

235 eb FarmhouseChimneysHelarchenCreek.esp

236 ec SPTKatlaSailReangleSE.esp

237 ed Ember_Sword.esp

238 ee EzEWorldMapSE.esp

239 ef MoreColorfulRobes.esp

240 f0 RWT Lod Fix.esp

241 f1 Better Dynamic Ash.esp

242 f2 Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp

243 f3 NAT Water Fix.esp

244 f4 ECCO - Skyrim Sizes Patch.esp

245 f5 Skyrim Sizes.esp

246 f6 Sakora's Make Up Kit - Natural Colors.esp

247 f7 ECCO - Makeup Kit - Extended Colors Patch.esp

 

 

 

Compare and adapt your mods accordingly.

[JohnnynRoger]

 

What are your specs and frame rate in vanilla Skyrim? If you have sub 8gb of RAM, might need to delete up to 150 or more mods. If you have over 250 mods then I don't even need to see your mod list. You should probably uninstall every mod you have and start building a new mod list from scratch. Not only do you have the CPU bottleneck, but having more than 50 or so activate plug-ins has been known affect performance. Having over 255 has been known to break the game.

 

Mods that only make changes to existing vanilla assets are significantly less CPU intensive then mods that add things to the game world.

Wrong. Amount of mods has nothing to do with fps. And of course the game crashes when having more than 255 plug-ins since that's the maximum the game's engine can load. Originally, the 256 cap was a 32-bits engine limit and shouldn't be there any longer in a 64-bits engine, but Bethesda kept the cap in SSE nevertheless.

 

What matters is what kind of texture mods we are talking about on what kind of GPU and in what resolution the game is played. Even when talking purely texture replacers (non plug-in mods). Same thing goes for mods that add items through a plug-in. It's not the amount but the size of the textures and amount of polygons involved.

Texture mods don't add objects to the game world. Mods that add things like, meshes, actors, or constantly run scripts that modify objects added to the world will cost you significant frames if you're bottle necked by your CPU. One of the worst case scenarios for your cpu would be:

• a "Populated" cities mod that adds NPCs
• + open cities
• + a city overhaul that adds NPCs and clutter to the same area
• + a mod that spawns encounters in or around these cities
• + a mod that has everyone making footprints
• + another mod that runs a script every .5 seconds to make your character looking at them when they speak
• + a combat overhaul that runs scripts to change the state of actors in different combat situations
• + a mod that covers every square inch of landscape with grass
• + bewb physics
• + if you're still not sub 30 fps, then add Skybirds and crank the "Fade" settings up as high as they go

Edit: I'm being sarcastic. I know that the "number of mods" does not directly cause any sort of loss to FPS. But if someone that doesn't really have much experience, I would never recommend having over 200 installed mods because when there's a problem and they don't know how to troubleshoot on their own, chances are they're SoL.

[JimmyRJump]

Texture mods don't add objects to the game world...()...

 

I never said that anywhere.

 

Loading umpteen plug-ins that add things doesn't necessarly make fps drop. It again depends on how big the textures are and/or what the polygon amount is. Even adding an entire village where once 50 3D trees were standing, you won't lose fps, you'll actually gain fps.

 

Adding ten mods or a hundred when having no experience makes no difference. Thoroughly reading mod descriptions does.

 

Everytime someone comes up with a fps issue you drag CPU bottleneck into the conversation while that is something that rarely occurs with games like SSE because of the 60fps cap, unless you combine a Pentium III with a GTX1080Ti and throw something like Metro 2033 at the lot. Then, that PIII will stick-up a generous middle finger and probably migrate to a Tetris community...

[JohnnynRoger]

 

Texture mods don't add objects to the game world...()...

 

I never said that anywhere.

 

Loading umpteen plug-ins that add things doesn't necessarly make fps drop. It again depends on how big the textures are and/or what the polygon amount is. Even adding an entire village where once 50 3D trees were standing, you won't lose fps, you'll actually gain fps.

 

Adding ten mods or a hundred when having no experience makes no difference. Thoroughly reading mod descriptions does.

 

Everytime someone comes up with a fps issue you drag CPU bottleneck into the conversation while that is something that rarely occurs with games like SSE because of the 60fps cap, unless you combine a Pentium III with a GTX1080Ti and throw something like Metro 2033 at the lot. Then, that PIII will stick-up a generous middle finger and probably migrate to a Tetris community...

 

But you know that generally speaking, the detail of the assets within a game's engine will be more GPU intensive, while the number of objects with physical properties, scripts, and/or AI that are being accounted for at any given time within the game's engine will be more CPU intensive. If you spam thousands of vanilla items and your FPS drops to sub 20, it's because you're requiring your CPU to apply physics to thousands of items that are interacting with one another and it can't keep up. It's not that your GPU is overloaded with polygons and textures. If they were static you would hardly lose any frames. Of course that's an extreme example, but to imply that CPU is nearly inconsequential to performance especially if you're modding in a bunch of actors and meshes with AI and physical properties in Skyrim is a bit disingenuous. The OP explicitly stated that their CPU was suspect.

 

As far as increasing performance by replacing terrain, trees, and grass with a structure, I don't disagree. This is true of adding player homes, which is one type of mod that I didn't mention. If the buildings are part of a settlement/city overhaul, however, then they typically come with actors, objects, and scripts. Statues that are static but with the same texture quality and polys as actors are significantly less resource intensive than actors who are not static and interact with the world and the objects and events within using various AI packages.

 

Edit: And Skyrim isn't Metro. And Metro isn't Total War. Some games are more GPU:CPU intensive than others.

[SSGMartin01]

Hi everyone. I'm sure this has been asked many times over and I have spent hours on google and forums trying suggested fixes. Here is where I am at and any help is much appreciated. My system specs are as follows

 

Laptop

i7-6700 HQ CPU @ 2.60

nVidia GTX 970m 4g

16 G DDR5 RAM

 

My game and mods are running off my SSD with plenty of space left over. I'm running maybe 35-40 mods. FPS rates are at 59-60 on menu. Standing outside Whiterun while it's raining FPS ranging from 50 to 15 and everything in the middle.

 

I've tried tweaking the ini files and forcing nVidia to use the V sync only fix. Nothing

I've set through the control panel that nVidia is the only Graphics card being used to run Skyrim. Nothing

Auto Detects to Ultra. Dropped settings to High. Nothing

I am using ENB 0.325 FYI

nVidia driver is updated to the 390 version (latest out)

 

I do have some immersive mods installed. Figured I would mention that after reading through this discussion. Immersive armors, animations, High level enemies, Tera Armors, Immersive Patrols. Any help or something I missed to stable out my FPS is much appreciated.