AugustaCalidia Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Among mod managers, "Vortex est aliquid quo maius nihil cogitari possit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmm200 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Or a personal favorite:Illegitimi non carborundum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 5:03 PM, rmm200 said: Or a personal favorite:Illegitimi non carborundum Since English and German are the official forum languages, will we get in trouble for using Latin? And will we get in trouble for being so totally off topic?!? Ave, moderator, morituri/ae te salutamus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek357 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I can see this a heated forum, so I hope I don't get anyone too annoyed commenting and asking some questions. I've been modding since Morrowind (sp?), I want to say before NMM, but that far back's quite foggy. :) I've been an avid NMM user for some time, and then LOOT as well, but I switched over to Vortex when Nexus dropped support for NMM, and I've been going through the learning curve. I've recently stumbled on 3 "Build Guides" for lack of a better term, including Biraitbec's, "Crossing the Great Waste" and "Way to the Lost", with tons of optimizing tips, merged mod packs, etc. Each of these 3 and the comments in the forums lead me to conclude that the big weak link currently in modding is the lack of some complete mod auto-ordering tool. I freely admit that each new discovery of a new tool or author of some great extensive guide has spoiled me. I look at the task of learning how to manually sort another 250+ new mods manually with dread. So, is part of the Vortex development to implement a better "LOOT" component that does what some of these guides do now manually for their list of hand-selected mods? I've seen offers from very knowledgeable and talented people like Biraitbec to manually review a proposed mod list and provide recommendations of one mod of similar function over another, one file in the mod list over another for best performance and compatibility, and load order. I can't bring myself to take advantage of that generous offer, but it makes me hopeful that kind of logic can be implemented in an automated software. Before I learned otherwise I was under the impression that was what LOOT did. Any thoughts if that will ever be the case, an ETA if it's in the works, or is this a pipe-dream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmm200 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 "Best mod" is totally subjective. Your lists of which mods to use will never be implemented in a mod manager - I hope.What a mod manager should do is let you choose which mods to select based on your lists, and if there are conflicting files in your set of mods,let you choose "which one wins".Vortex does these things better than most. So keep your lists - and use them with your mod manager of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek357 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I've got a follow-up question closely related to my last question. If I am going to consult with one of the experts on load order, is there a way to export my "Downloads" list out of Vortex into a Word doc, etc.? They wouldn't be Mods or Plug-ins yet, becuase the idea is to get advice on what order to load them in so that Vortex's built in LOOT does not monkey-wrench the load order (what I'm reading on-line, not my personal experience). I notice you can't highlight the downloaded mods in the "view All Downloads" screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 4:41 PM, Marek357 said: I've got a follow-up question closely related to my last question. If I am going to consult with one of the experts on load order, is there a way to export my "Downloads" list out of Vortex into a Word doc, etc.? They wouldn't be Mods or Plug-ins yet, becuase the idea is to get advice on what order to load them in so that Vortex's built in LOOT does not monkey-wrench the load order (what I'm reading on-line, not my personal experience). I notice you can't highlight the downloaded mods in the "view All Downloads" screen. No, there isn't yet.Also, I wouldn't believe what you're reading online about Vortex "Monkey Wrenching" the load order, because with Vortex, you don't even have to worry about where your ESPs go, the people who complain about Vortex "Monkey Wrenching the Load Order are people who insist on working AGAINST vortex and forcing the esps in the wrong order.Those people obliviously don't know what they're talking about and it sounds like they don't even use Vortex, because if they did, they wouldn't be making those unsubstantiated and incorrect claims. Any "expert" that claims the built in LOOT in Vortex is ruining the load order, is no "Expert" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 4:41 PM, Marek357 said: I've got a follow-up question closely related to my last question. If I am going to consult with one of the experts on load order, is there a way to export my "Downloads" list out of Vortex into a Word doc, etc.? They wouldn't be Mods or Plug-ins yet, becuase the idea is to get advice on what order to load them in so that Vortex's built in LOOT does not monkey-wrench the load order (what I'm reading on-line, not my personal experience). I notice you can't highlight the downloaded mods in the "view All Downloads" screen. Once you start using Vortex, you'll discover that load order issues are minimal. If it's the case that Vortex takes a monkey-wrench to one's load order, then I'm quite happy with that monkey wrench. I've been using Vortex for over nine months now, and I've had fewer load order issues with Vortex than any other mod manager that I've ever used in my eleven years of modding games. As I read through these Vortex forums, I see that many people who are very critical of Vortex's LOOT-based load order feature seem to be people whose whole gaming experience is tied up in micro-managing load orders. They can't imagine setting up and playing a game in any other way. But then Vortex comes along and eliminates the need for micro-management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadToRegister Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 ^ Well Said.To quote myself from my "Think Differently When Using Vortex" thread which elaborates on what Augusta said... Quote As someone who fought against Vortex for a while, I now realize why I was doing so.It's because I didn't want to change the way I thought about using load orders, Mods and Plugins.I wanted to stick with the rigid, "All esps must go where I put them", while completely ignoring the "load order" and "File overriding" of the BSAs and Archives (which honestly cause the most conflicts, and which most mod mangers don't warn you of)With NMM, WryeBash, etc I was mostly tasked to putting my esps in the order I wanted them, but, because of Vortex's Auto-Sorting via built-in loot, I don't even fuss with esp order anymore, except on the extremely rare occasion of forcing one esp below another for certain entries to be overwritten by another, found via Xedit. Now instead, using Vortex, most, if not all, sorting events take place on the Mods tab in order to make sure that Texture and Mesh files between Mods work together and overwrite each other properly based on the instruction of the Mod Author.So basically, using Vortex, it's not about worrying about ordering the Esps around anymore, and is focused mainly on getting your meshes and textures working together correctly.Once you are willing to adapt and change, and let go of your worry over manipulating your esp load order, the faster you'll be able to embrace Vortex and work with it, not against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddlarkin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Vortex needs to let me manually tweak my load order in addition to its current function, I am wasting tones of time trying to get it to accept rules when I know I could manually group 3 esps next to each other and solve the problem, but no, Vortex knows better and no matter how I try and phrase the rules will ignore them.... I appreciate its user friendly approach but mod users are generally competent users at the least and a manual option is necessary, it would save time a lot of frustration as I mess around trying to convince it to do what I need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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