Overpowered Block and Curious Terms

[aphilion]

I was blocked by a mod author once.

But I used my time and energy to apologize to them and they unblocked me, because I was sincere with my apology.

They blocked me from messaging them personally. Preemptively. Which is petty, to say the least. I wasn't allowed to apologize. I already said in THIS thread, that if the feature was available, I would've apologized. Read back. Yes, I typed that.

Now, you've started this thread as if you were the victim of the blocking function, and it wasn't until the 2nd page where you came clean as to why you were blocked.

I'm not sure what audience you were hoping to appeal to, but I imagine you were hoping for a torch and pitchfork crowd, as you kept the reason you were blocked withheld at first in order to sway opinion to your side.

No. The action made me realize that it was, in the state its in...a broken function. See above comment.

It's also been explained to you WHY the site allows Nudity but not profanity.

However, you persist only because nobody has given the answer You want to hear, but that all part of adulthood, sometimes the answers we get aren't the ones we want to hear, but they are correct answers nonetheless.

What was that reason again? I must've missed it. (I'm being sincere). Ps- don't belittle me, in an attempt to make a point. I have been pretty civil on this thread.

You're now attempting to save what little dignity you have left by attempting to hold the high ground in here when there IS none.

I think you've gotten enough attention for the day.

Well, I'm glad you get to decide on who gets attention and who doesn't. Are we jealous or something? But go ahead and continue to ignore basically any point I've made. Yes I was blocked. Does that mean that it was or wasn't warranted? No matter how bad some of you want to make this thread about that...it isn't. It's about the function, the way it stands, by itself, and the message that comes with it. But if you think I'm getting too much attention, you can ignore the thread altogether.

 

 

Edited July 6, 2018 by aphilion

[Reneer]

If I owned a store and you came in, asked me a question, I said "no," and you then called me a dick, I'd kick you out and tell you to never come back, regardless of how much you praised my work before you called me a dick. This isn't Walmart where the customer is always right.

 

In the situation described in this thread the block function is working as intended. Can it sometimes be difficult to know what might make a particular mod author block you? Sure. But calling other people dicks to their face is generally going to get you tossed out.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Reneer

[aphilion]

I'm seeing a growing trend here. Look: A wrong action does not void all future opinions or rational logic. Am I butthurt about being blocked? Absolutely. But the act itself brought up questions for me. Legitimate questions. Regardless of what happened. But hey... I don't want to anger, the ever growing mob here...

[WastelandAssassin]

well , I've never personally heard of any mod author abusing this system

doesn't mean it's not possible , but I've never heard of such a case

but in case you believe someone may be abusing the system , this is something you can bring before the staff

there are plenty of report functions (you can report the mod author , report via the mod in which it occurred etc) , through which we can investigate and take whatever actions we deem necessary in the specific case

 

however , the fact that the system could be abused doesn't mean the system has no place here

it just means that the staff are here to serve as judges in cases where users feel the system is indeed being abused

 

so I hope this addresses the issue in general , regardless of what you have personally done

we (the staff) are here to moderate what happens on the site . this includes all mods , but also the discussions and behaviors of our members

so if you feel something is amiss , there are plenty of systems in place through which you can contact us (heck , I've had users directly PM me instead of going through the official channels , and it didn't stop me from handling their cases)

[aphilion]

If I owned a store and you came in, asked me a question, I said "no," and you then called me a dick, I'd kick you out and tell you to never come back, regardless of how much you praised my work beforehand. This isn't Walmart where the customer is always right.

...so... payment for mods is acceptance of belittlement to the puny user? Should I bow or curtsy to the thrones of modders? This comment, explicably proves my point, flawlessly. Thank you. On that... I'm out. Date night tonight. You all have a wonderful night.

[Reneer]

 

If I owned a store and you came in, asked me a question, I said "no," and you then called me a dick, I'd kick you out and tell you to never come back, regardless of how much you praised my work beforehand. This isn't Walmart where the customer is always right.

...so... payment for mods is acceptance of belittlement to the puny user? Should I bow or curtsy to the thrones of modders? This comment, explicably proves my point, flawlessly. Thank you. On that... I'm out. Date night tonight. You all have a wonderful night.

 

The mod author said literally one word to you: "No." You were the one that escalated the situation. You were the one that made this thread talking about how the block function is supposedly overpowered. You were the one that said that you don't regret calling the mod author a dick. So if you think my comment somehow proves you right, go on believing that.

 

And no, payment for mods is not the acceptance of belittlement. Having a little bit of decency and decorum when you don't get your way is the bare minimum.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Reneer

[Arthmoor]

 

So, hypothetically:

I post a mod.

Someone comments, and I don't like their tone.

I block them.

Someone asks a question I don't like, or that's been asked already. How dare them!

I block them.

Someone comments, and I hate their avatar picture.

I block them.

Someone, brings up a constructive critique to the mod. It angers me.

I block them.

Someone comments and I don't like their name.

Blocked.

Someone brings up that my mod is either broken, or it broke their game. It embarrasses me.

I block them.

Someone was blocked by one of my friends, who was a "jerk" to them. I wait for them to comment on my mod, so I too can block them. They do.

I block them.

 

Are we seeing the trend yet? Unless... I'm missing some detail? This. function. is. broken.

 

Just because you can invent a hypothetical scenario that may or may not actually happen does not mean that the system is broken. The potential for something to be abused is never an acceptable reason to just get rid of it entirely. Otherwise there'd be no internet because by God the internet has been abused to hell and back but its usefulness far outweighs any crazy scenarios people might come up with to justify shutting it down. So it is with the block function. It's infinitely more useful to us mod authors and that usefulness outweighs your butthurt. Simple as that.

[FrankFamily]

You allow freedom of speech, then hypothetically, an individual abuses it by using it as an excuse to insult and belittle other individuals for no real reason. Conclusion? Freedom of speech is broken, let's remove it.

[fftfan]

Saying negative toxic things to mod authors only takes away from the community as it can take away their motivation to create and detracts from the positive atmosphere that allows for the free sharing of constructive feedback and positive ideas for improvement. It's a net negative so I don't support it.

Anyone who can't express themselves without using profanity should spend less time playing games and more working on their social skills.

This is the truth right here. I am not at all interested in hearing from a user who cannot refrain from using profanity in what should be simple and professional communication. Plus obvious toxicity in the comments will detract from productive discussion by making others less likely to post with what could be very helpful and informative feedback. If there were profanities all over the place in the comment threads on my mods I strongly suspect that the people who gave helpful feedback to me may have decided against commenting at all in the first place, end result would be the mod would be worse as I wouldn't have fixed issues users brought to my attention and wouldn't have gotten cool ideas to think about for a possible update. When I see a mod's comment section is toxic(Thankfully pretty rare on Nexus) I am far less likely to comment, nearly always I'll just move on without any comments as it feels as though nothing good could come of it were I to participate. Authors can clean comments but this takes time, we're not here watching the comments 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I am looking for growth as a modder so constructive feedback is important to me. I'm beginning to learn texturing so it will be even more important in order to learn the complex skill set involved with that, especially since the bar is set so high by the fantastic works shared by the talented authors here!

At the end of the day it is right there clearly in the Terms & Policies that we all agreed to as part of being a member of this site, that we are required to refrain from the usage of profanities.

Nudity is irrelevant because there is the Adult Mods filter. If the topic creator is bothered by such mods he is free to turn on the filter to no longer see Adult mods.

"Oh...now look what you've done. You get blocked, good sir..." (said in a whiny terrified voice)

*If nobody finds this humorous or even mildly funny... I'm going to be very disappointed. Lol.

No. Nothing about this post specifically on its own is humorous.

Maybe someone can explain to me the logic behind the idea that if you compliment someone's work they're now required to grant your request? It seems to me that expectation only invalidates the compliment, it renders it fake. It's now no longer a compliment but rather an attempt to manipulate. As a mod author if someone attempted to manipulate me like that I wouldn't exactly feel grateful for the fake compliment. Especially when followed up with name calling because the attempt to manipulate with a fake compliment failed.

Agreed. I would only follow through with a request if I personally believed in it, also desired it and had available free time that it'd be feasible for me to do. AKA if it's a good and constructive idea. When we request something of an author it's asking them to give up free time for us, meaning it's really unlikely they'll want to do so unless it's something they also wanted. For me it's most likely to happen if it's something I'm kind of on the fence about doing but got a lot of requests for.

User calls author a dick after a perfectly reasonable reply. Author blocks user. Nope. Not seeing how this process was abused or is somehow childish. They used it the way it's meant to be used. What surprises me is that the user is still here after obviously trolling a mod author in their file thread.

Same here. I cannot see how calling the author that was legitimately necessary or in any way constructive.

Just because you can invent a hypothetical scenario that may or may not actually happen does not mean that the system is broken. The potential for something to be abused is never an acceptable reason to just get rid of it entirely. Otherwise there'd be no internet because by God the internet has been abused to hell and back but its usefulness far outweighs any crazy scenarios people might come up with to justify shutting it down. So it is with the block function. It's infinitely more useful to us mod authors and that usefulness outweighs your butthurt. Simple as that.

Indeed. I think it's a win for everyone because talented authors like you can spend more time modding and less time wasted getting trolled. So long as users don't get blocked for literally no reason at all, like if they'd never even commented at all or they only said "Thank you for the mod!" only to get blocked.

[soupdragon1234]

 

... you deserved to get blocked honestly... this whole thread is you getting mad because someone else thought (rightfully so) you were being a jerk. on top of a flimsy argument about not being allowed to use profanity. wow... just wow

The intention of this thread wasn't to get validation on whether I should've been blocked or not. If it were, I would've posted the story initially, and titled it that. I didn't. And I preemptively said I admitted my response was untactful, to say the least. Yet, in my opinion warranted. If you're rude to people, you're going to get rude responses.

 

Blocking someone for being a "jerk" is subjective nonsense. I don't think gamers should tip-toe around MA's in fear of being blocked. I would like to think that "blocking" someone from not using ANY of your mods EVER (nor further correspondence), should be based on extreme circumstances. Most everything else? Stiffen up. Be like "Hey thats not necessary!". Something. Instead of cowering behind a block button. Being a member of deviant art for over a decade, I've had my share of rude comments on my work. I've never in my life blocked someone.

 

So I'll say again, the initial, and consistent reason for this thread is to express my disdain for the over-ease of the block button, the lack of repeal of said thing, and the warning that further escalation could get you permanently banned. And as a side note, yes, my observation of the terms, specifically, profanity and its hypocrisy considering the subject of some of the mods and the game itself.

 

 

So let me get this straight, you don't want to "tip toe" around author and have the freedom to speak you mind but you want to remove the same freedom from mod authors to block you from insulting them and their mods?

 

Double standards much?

 

Speak your mind, fine. But don't be surprised when authors exercise their right not to have to listen to you anymore. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.