An independent New Vegas mod.

[devinpatterson]

Re: the Legion, I guess one thing that concerns me most is the nature of the strip itself. I think we can assume that we'll be following the Caesar end slide. I think it would be a tough sale for the player to kill Caesar for the Legion ending. So we can dump the Legate ending.

We have a slide for the Caesar ending, but it's rather vague on the details. There are two basic contradictory elements.

1. I read somewhere that Salt lake city was run very orderly/organized by the legion and trade/business was largely unobstructed. I also believe one of the ill fated members of the honest hearts caravan company (or maybe it was something else) had commented that the safest routes for the caravans was in legion company. Caesar also sees NV as his New Rome, so it seems unlikely that he'll bring everything low.....that wouldn't make for much of a city.

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2. The whole concept of NV is antithetical to the legion, from the drugs and booze to paying for women. I have no idea how the legion feel about gambling among the ranks or en mass like NV. But if they want women they take them, they don't pay for them. Using drugs (other than healing powders and such used almost exclusively by the Legion), and I imagine booze, is a quick way to get killed in teh legion (based on their able bodied philosophy). In addition; "Caesar greatly dislikes sectionalism and consumerism, because he believes they turn humans into "animals", or simple beings that live only for the sake of surviving." "Caesar especially has a hatred for the rich, he hates the NCR because of because of their "glorification of the wealthy over the worthy". NV is all about consumerism through vice. And the Ultralux is a excellent example of glorification of the wealthy over the worthy.

 

I guess the only reasonable scenario that fulfills both outlines above, is keeping the buildings, treating the families like they do other tribes (absorbing/enslaving) and essentially removing all of vice in NV (booze/drugs, woman and gambling). But actual businesses can stay and possibly even flourish within the well controlled streets of New Rome.

 

It will be a real visual contrast, having roman simulacrums bunking in a high roller suites like it was a garrison, among the ruins of Las Vegas, but that's nothing unusual for Fallout.

 

As far as details I guess the Ultralux will be the first to fall since it would represent the biggest chip on Caesars shoulder. I'm not even sure you'd have many slave survivors, since posh playboys and pampered women don't make for strong backs. Might just be a mass crucifixion. I'm not sure how many of the other families would be assimilated into the Legion, but I'd say most havn't gone as soft as the Ultraulux, so the majority should be absorbed or enslaved.

 

I can see the crimson caravan staying put and keeping their compound. Other vendors are a possibility, but some large ones like the Van Grafs won't have any truck with the Legion and will take off.

 

We know the following from the end slides;

The boomers eventually fall if Volare! isn't completed. If Volare! is completed they remain isolated but essentially untouched.

The brotherhood is routed from hidden valley

The fiends are either scattered or exterminated.

Caesar allows the followers safe passage out of wasteland

Goodsprings doesn't even register on the legions radar, but most people leave anyway

if the Khans were convinced to side with the NCR they were hunted down and killed, if not they were brutally assimilated, or escaped north east.

Most of the kings are killed although some flee into the wasteland

Many of Novac citizens fled, Novac falls under Legion banner

Powder gangers flee or are killed

If Meyers is sherrif of Primm, they take a stand and are killed, if not the town falls under the legion banner, but stays open for business.

Hanlon and his rangers die to the very last man resisting the legion

[devinpatterson]

I was just stating how it went for me.

I wasn't referring to the single post but a common theme among all your posts.

 

Basically, what I would like to do is have a way to follow Yes-Man's plan for the NCR, not against them.

Yes that would be the NCR friendly Ind. It's the least profitable but the strongest militarily speaking (due to the alliance).

 

I think the only course you can't take here is follow Yes-Man's plan and work with Mr House, since a key component of the plan involves getting rid of Mr House so Yes-Man can take control.

Legion as well, they'll have no truck with bots. Even when it's explained to Caesar that they can aid him, he orders them destroyed.

 

At a guess, I'd say she's suffering from the same error as ED-E does, that he's very good with ranged combat, but when enemies try to melee him, particularly if there's more then one, he gets confused as to who or how he should be fighting.

OK I'll check into ED-E, and see about that bug.

 

Oh by the way, I love her "what if I break a nail?" reaction!

That face expression is priceless!

yes she's a good companion with a lot more to come, and has some amazing voice work, all original, by Isabelle.

 

And about Archimedes, that too is a variable situation.

In my situation, at the request of Rivas, I didn't tell the NCR that it could be used as a weapon, so they don't know that fact.

Nor did I enlighten the Brotherhood to that fact as well.

But someone else might have.

So there might have to be different ways to follow up on that as well.

OK I'll note that.

[devinpatterson]

But I really really really want to help develop this, like, even making maps or scripts, I don't have much to show you but I can swing easily, I used to mod Oblivion like six years ago, and it's the same engine so I don't reckon it'll be too difficult to get into.

I definitely appreciate that, I can use the help

 

Yeah I think they are very close (oblivion & FONV). I'v had a disc version of oblivion, but never opened it. I guess I prefer post apoc to fantasy. Lets figure out what your most comfortable/competent at so we know how best to utilize your skills.

 

I'm afraid your link isn't coming through.

 

As you can see I use the Student Version (Non-Commercial) of 3DS Max 2014, and I can export directly to .nif I believe.

Yeah I use the eductional ver as well, but am more at home in Blender.

[Devilman1975]

Re: the Legion, I guess one thing that concerns me most is the nature of the strip itself. I think we can assume that we'll be following the Caesar end slide. I think it would be a tough sale for the player to kill Caesar for the Legion ending. So we can dump the Legate ending.

 

Even when working for the Legion the player has the opportunity to kill Caesar during the quest Et Tumor, Brute? when performing brain surgery on Caesar. If Caesar dies on the operating table then having a high Legion reputation or passing a speech or medical check with Lucius will let the player remain on friendly terms with the Legion

[XTgrndr]

Just a totally random thought about the Legion and Securitrons.

 

What if you said to the Legion, you're working with them and you are going to like it!

 

Basically, the Securitrons could annihilate the Legion, so I'd be surprised if they'd choose extinction over dominance of the region.

 

Would be funny to have the Legion be forced to obey you!

 

Nobody says because you want the Legion to take over that you have to follow their orders blindly.

Edited August 12, 2013 by XTgrndr

[Devilman1975]

Just a totally random thought about the Legion and Securitrons.

 

What if you said to the Legion, you're working with them and you are going to like it!

 

One day later the Courier will be in a queue with some unfortunate prisoners waiting to crucified. I can imagine the following scene.

 

Polite Legionnaire: Crucifixion?

Courier: Yes.

Polite Legionnaire: Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next.

[TheAtmosphere]

http://i.imgur.com/97oefkq.png

 

That should work.

[devinpatterson]

Even when working for the Legion the player has the opportunity to kill Caesar during the quest Et Tumor, Brute? when performing brain surgery on Caesar. If Caesar dies on the operating table then having a high Legion reputation or passing a speech or medical check with Lucius will let the player remain on friendly terms with the Legion

Oh yeah I havn't forgot about Et Tumor, but I think it's a tough sale. If we're making a base mod we should go with Caesar (IMHO), it's the most likely ending for a Legion victory. We can tweak it for the Legate ending, although I'm not sure there would be any business's left in NV & I'm just not sure I want to put in the time to make a alternate version for the Legate mod. I guess it will depend on whether we can get away with just swapping out the leader and a low workload for the alternate legate version.

[devinpatterson]

http://i.imgur.com/97oefkq.png

 

That should work.

yep, went through fine, thanks TheAmosphere. What is your personal preference in re: to the type of work you want to do? Modeling, scripting or something else?

[devinpatterson]

Would you guys be interested in adding a little realism to the mod. I run the trails and put in a fair amount of milage in the Mojave, or in areas close to it, so I come across a lot of the game elements frequently. This is an example the first pic is a overly ripe buffalo gourd and the 2nd is a green (not ripe) one (it's hard to see the scale, but it's very tiny).

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/20130810_190429_zps61080f82.jpg

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/20130810_190449_zpsabf11d37.jpg

 

 

 

they wouldn't heal as much as a ripe one in game (maybe 3/4 as much), but it would make for some variety. There are all kinds of plants and animals that could tweaked including avian life. The raven model is a good base to work with, and it seems like other birds could have survived if Ravens made it (although they are onivores like no one's business, eating meat/carrion so maybe that's why they made it).

 

Worthwhile idea? Included in this mod or as a separate mod all it's own?