To be fair to Bethesda

[lithan1]

Actually, the game engine gets updated for each successive game. The current engine is head and shoulders above what it was originally. I mean, seriously, the original engine was 32 bit, now it's 64. That is a pretty significant re-write. It HAS been updated to take advantage of advances in computer technology, I just wish it could actually make efficient use of more than two cores...... Being able to FULLY use my quad core processor would be stellar. (and the folks with intel quads with hyper threading? Wow.) That would be a major performance improvement.

I understand that but you look at Elder Scrolls Online which runs on a better game engine, graphically it looks a lot better than Skyrim, it runs better (No mods required) and can I just gush over how nice the animations are in ESO? Meanwhile in Skyrim and even Fallout 4 the animations are stiff, outdated, and mods are a band-aid for them, that's it (Granted i'm not saying anything against animation modders, their work is amazing) but still

[DoctorKaizeld]

I guess you guys are right but in all honesty the Elder Scrolls games being more simplified with each entry doesn't bother me

(The dice roll hit system in Morrowind was bulls***, fight me, it worked in Elder Scrolls 1 and 2 cause they used 2D Sprites in a 3D Environment so I can understand the dice roll system there but not in Morrowind which is full 3D)

 

and i'll admit, I should have worded better what I said about Fallout 4, a good game, yes but a terrible Fallout game (Honestly Fallout 4 has become just boring for me, and none of the quest mods released for it seem to help)

 

but when I said I believe TES 6 will be at least decent, I mean Game Engine notwithstanding, cause in all honesty they should have retired it before Skyrim but Skyrim is still amazing, it and Oblivion are my favorite Elder Scrolls games, not denying it has flaws (I really don't give a Skeever's ass about the main questline)

 

Bottom line, I suck at correctly wording my point until after the fact and i'm sorry for that

Actually redoing things and making them better for gameplay is not simplifying it is improving. Basically removing diseases, potion making gets reduced to a very minimal difficulty task and making potions underpowered at the end game, silver weapons and magic items being the only means of hurting specific enemies, removing the opinion feature, hiring mercs, simplified guilds, lysty argonian not getting another volume, everything is just a better version of something else, dialog in general, voiced protagonist, and so on

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Actually, the game engine gets updated for each successive game. The current engine is head and shoulders above what it was originally. I mean, seriously, the original engine was 32 bit, now it's 64. That is a pretty significant re-write. It HAS been updated to take advantage of advances in computer technology, I just wish it could actually make efficient use of more than two cores...... Being able to FULLY use my quad core processor would be stellar. (and the folks with intel quads with hyper threading? Wow.) That would be a major performance improvement.

 

I understand that but you look at Elder Scrolls Online which runs on a better game engine, graphically it looks a lot better than Skyrim, it runs better (No mods required) and can I just gush over how nice the animations are in ESO? Meanwhile in Skyrim and even Fallout 4 the animations are stiff, outdated, and mods are a band-aid for them, that's it (Granted i'm not saying anything against animation modders, their work is amazing) but still

oh god the faces in fallout 4. THE FACES!

[lithan1]

 

I guess you guys are right but in all honesty the Elder Scrolls games being more simplified with each entry doesn't bother me

(The dice roll hit system in Morrowind was bulls***, fight me, it worked in Elder Scrolls 1 and 2 cause they used 2D Sprites in a 3D Environment so I can understand the dice roll system there but not in Morrowind which is full 3D)

 

and i'll admit, I should have worded better what I said about Fallout 4, a good game, yes but a terrible Fallout game (Honestly Fallout 4 has become just boring for me, and none of the quest mods released for it seem to help)

 

but when I said I believe TES 6 will be at least decent, I mean Game Engine notwithstanding, cause in all honesty they should have retired it before Skyrim but Skyrim is still amazing, it and Oblivion are my favorite Elder Scrolls games, not denying it has flaws (I really don't give a Skeever's ass about the main questline)

 

Bottom line, I suck at correctly wording my point until after the fact and i'm sorry for that

Actually redoing things and making them better for gameplay is not simplifying it is improving. Basically removing diseases, potion making gets reduced to a very minimal difficulty task and making potions underpowered at the end game, silver weapons and magic items being the only means of hurting specific enemies, removing the opinion feature, hiring mercs, simplified guilds, lysty argonian not getting another volume, everything is just a better version of something else, dialog in general, voiced protagonist, and so on

 

Fallout 4's Voiced Protagonist idea is one thing I did not like cause for one thing, it just kills roleplaying, and makes it harder for modders to use dialogue in quest mods. Someone said something about the Elder Scrolls games getting more simplified as a point of quality dropping with each entry

 

(If anything I think the combat got better with each game, Morrowind had that shitty dice roll system

Oblivion's melee combat sucked cause it seemed like melee weapons just did f*#@-all damage no matter what)

I actually love the melee combat in Skyrim and I appreciate the variety of spell types to, just wish they could make magic combat better)\

 

I think I made this post cause i'm feeling sore that one of my favorite game developers is starting to go downhill and I was just trying to defend it

[DoctorKaizeld]

Actually the magic is also dumbed in skyrim was far better in past games. With that said I get it. I am sad to see bethsoft go down the path they are on... they can do better and should. Which is why I criticize them. The more people criticize the more they will be forced to listen.

[lithan1]

Actually the magic is also dumbed in skyrim was far better in past games. With that said I get it. I am sad to see bethsoft go down the path they are on... they can do better and should. Which is why I criticize them. The more people criticize the more they will be forced to listen.

I know what you mean with the magic, but i'm talking about ways to cast, you got channeled spells like Flames (With and without the damaging wall generation, charged projectiles, runes, cloaks) but I will admit it could be a lot better

[JimboUK]

Actually, the game engine gets updated for each successive game. The current engine is head and shoulders above what it was originally. I mean, seriously, the original engine was 32 bit, now it's 64. That is a pretty significant re-write. It HAS been updated to take advantage of advances in computer technology, I just wish it could actually make efficient use of more than two cores...... Being able to FULLY use my quad core processor would be stellar. (and the folks with intel quads with hyper threading? Wow.) That would be a major performance improvement.

 

Yeah but have they updated it enough? their games look a generation behind and perform terribly, as for quad cores they've been thing for over a decade and it still can't use them properly, it's ridiculous.

[Deleted54170User]

It mine and hers, the vault is all ours! AT LAST! They've grown up and moved out.

 

Oh, Ho! Is it possible that was the plan of the Overseer all Along?!

[HeyYou]

Is it updated enough? Probably not. The multicore thing being right there on the top of my list. Of course, I am not aware of any software that I use on a regular basis, be it games, or MS office, that makes proper use of multicore processors.... If I am multi-tasking, then sure, but, when I am playing a game, multi-tasking isn't part of the equation.

 

Comparing ESO to the Fallout/TES games? Two entirely different directions there..... Also, not modable....... I haven't played ESO, it just isn't my cup of tea, so, not real familiar with it in any event.

 

The "Dice Roll" system in Morrowind was a carryover from Pen and Paper RPGs. You know, when CHARACTER skill was the determining factor, not PLAYER skill. I think the biggest complaint with Morrowind combat was watching your sword pass completely thru your enemy, but, doing zero damage....... Still and all, MW was my favorite TES game. :)

 

As the games progress, with each following game, we see features removed, streamlined, "updated".... but, not all changes are for the betterment of the game. They are so the game appeals to a wider audience, hence, more profit. Some of us actually WANT a REAL RPG. With skills, and abilities, and stats. Unfortunately, we seem to be in the minority, so, game companies aren't real inclined to cater to our wants. :)

[lithan1]

That's your opinion