File Conflict Question

[blackkat9]

Tempered Skins of Males, is naturally conflicting with the Fine Face textures that I am currently adding. I'm not sure which one should load before the other. I figure, better to ask then to take my chances, which will send me on another hair raising adventure of trying to back out and making it worst as I go. I am having a problem with things like Pretty Lips showing up. Skin mods seem to be where I am having the most trouble. I have watched the tutorials. I'm still confused on somethings.

 

 

 

I just want to thank all you tech people for attempting to help me. I'm an artsy creative type person. I'm sure many of you easily know the solution to this problem. I really do appreciate anyone willing to help me. This is just not one of my strong areas. I just want to make Skyrim beautiful and get back to telling my story through my character.

[HadToRegister]

The nice thing about Vortex is you can experiment with what "loads before" another mod, because unlike NMM that would physically overwrite the files, forcing you to uninstall and Reinstall BOTH mods to "try again", all you need to do is change remove the "load before" rule and apply it to the other file instead, and Vortex restores the overwritten files and exchanges the proper ones.

Also, what you want to do is check WHICH files are conflicting, I'm assuming the Fine Faces only affects the Face Textures and the the entire body
So I would tell Fine Faces to LOAD AFTER Tempered Body

 

Here's how to take a microscope to that in Vortex...

 

 

 

 

 

Now, just click on that "201 conflicting files" (Yours will be different) and it will show you exactly WHICH files are conflicting, if Fine Face is just conflicting with Faces from the BODY mod, then you'll definitely want Fine Faces to Overwrite the faces in the Body mod, so you would tell Fine Faces to LOAD AFTER.

The File in question that you click on that ends up in the TITLE of the "Load Before ? After" pop up, is the file that's going to load BEFORE or AFTER the File mentioned to the right of the Before/After Drop down.

 

 

[AugustaCalidia]

Tempered Skins of Males, is naturally conflicting with the Fine Face textures that I am currently adding. I'm not sure which one should load before the other. I figure, better to ask then to take my chances, which will send me on another hair raising adventure of trying to back out and making it worst as I go. I am having a problem with things like Pretty Lips showing up. Skin mods seem to be where I am having the most trouble. I have watched the tutorials. I'm still confused on somethings.

 

 

 

I just want to thank all you tech people for attempting to help me. I'm an artsy creative type person. I'm sure many of you easily know the solution to this problem. I really do appreciate anyone willing to help me. This is just not one of my strong areas. I just want to make Skyrim beautiful and get back to telling my story through my character.

 

When dealing with conflicting files in Vortex, e.g., conflicting textures, I concentrate on "load after" rather than "load before." Why? Because when selecting "load after" I'm telling Vortex, "Yes, that's the texture I want in my game." If I select "load before," I'm telling Vortex, "No, I don't want that texture in my game." For my games I've discovered that I say "yes" more times than I say "no," because I'm focusing on what I do want rather than what I don't want in my game.

[HadToRegister]

^ She's right.
I should change my screen shots to a LOAD AFTER situation, because I stick with LOAD AFTER, and don't usually if ever, use LOAD BEFORE.

That screenshot was taken earlier in my Vortex career, LOAD AFTER is easier to use and remember what it does, because anything that LOADS AFTER another Mod will be the conflict winner.

[blackkat9]

I'm embarrassed now. I was avoiding my older topic, because I was dreading the comments. I've worked in retail and I understand how frustrating it can get with people. But, you all have been beyond helpful. I really do appreciate that you're taking the time to help me. I am just now reading the links that Augusta Calidia shared from my earlier topic and that is really helping me. I'm learning that I seem to retain information better when it is written, with good visuals and step by step instructions. This is why I am still lost when I'm learning from verbal instructions, even with visuals. It's something I've struggled with all my life. But, happy to have the motivation and desire to over come my own personal challenges.

 

I am confused about why these two mods are conflicting. Tempered Males and The Pure, as it doesn't seem like it would effect the same gender. How do I know things are working as in intended with mods like this?

[Guest deleted34304850]

when you see that mods are conflicting, you can click the little red lightning icon and it will actually drill down and show you the exact file(s) that are conflicting. you can decide on a mod basis that mod b will load after mod a - and all the files in mod b will overwrite the files put in place by mod a - or you can even say that you want file x from mod b to overwrite file x from my a, and file y from mod a to remain untouched.

 

so you have a mod by mod overwrite ability and a file by file overwrite ability if you want to be very, very granular.

 

best thing - if you decide that you've done it wrong - simply purge mod b, which will put everything back as it was, then redeploy mod b - you get the conflict message again and you can go again and decide if you want mod level overwrite or file level.

 

vortex is really cool with this mod conflict resolution. takes all the pain away.

[blackkat9]

I'm going to relay back to you and make sure I understand correctly.

 

Example: If I want Fine Faces over Tempered Male faces. I would want to load Fine Faces after Tempered Skins for Males?

 

I'm still confused about mods like The Pure having issues with Tempered Skins for Males. Because, The Pure effects female characters, not male characters. The only thing I can think of is Tempered Skins for Males, has an option for females. But, I selected none. I think I solved this issue, between these two mods, because both their boxes are orange.

[AugustaCalidia]

 

I am confused about why these two mods are conflicting. Tempered Males and The Pure, as it doesn't seem like it would effect the same gender. How do I know things are working as in intended with mods like this?

 

Are you playing Skyrim SE? I ask because I could not find "Tempered Males" on NexusMods Skyrim. However, I did find "Tempered Skins for Males" on NexusMods Skyrim SE. I also found the reason for the various conflicts you refer to. The problem is the mod "Tempered Skins for Males" and not Vortex. Though ostensibly designed for males, the mod also includes a huge number of female tintmasks. You can confirm this by opening this Nexus link: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/7902?tab=files. Select "Preview file contents" found under each file and scroll about two-thirds of the way down.

 

"Tempered Skins for Males" has a FOMOD installer. When installing the mod, were you presented with an option to install female tintmasks? Did you select that option?

[AugustaCalidia]

 

Example: If I want Fine Faces over Tempered Male faces. I would want to load Fine Faces after Tempered Skins for Males?

 

Yes, load after. (My answer assumes that "Fine Faces" is a male face mod.)

[blackkat9]

To answer your question earlier, I am playing Skyrim SE.

 

Yes, you are correct. I'm using Tempered Skins for Males and I did not select females. At least I do know not to select females. But, I may have accidentally enabled it, when I disabled/renenabled the mod, when trying to narrow down the mod that was causing issues yesterday.

 

I was experiencing grey face on specific npcs, Ria and Vilkis. I was able to fix them through the Creation Kit. But, then I notice it showed up on Aela, when I reinstalled Bijin Warmaidens. I was able to fix her. I think Total Character Makeover, is what caused the issue with Ria and Vilkis. As for Tempered Skins for Males and Fine Faces. I logged in and that appears to be working as intended. I now have a better understanding how to manage conflicting files. Things don't appear to be conflicting in the Vortex side of things. I'm still worried about what I'm going to find, when I get further into the game. How many NPCs were effected?