Been updating mods since update, still crashing: help, please?

[miyushinohara]

Hello, and good evening. First I would like to apologize for this: this is my first game update since abandoning Oldrim for SE: and I was unaware of how Creation Club updates apparently have a reputation for breaking SE and thus requiring preparations, and in the future I'll try to disable updates, but for now I'm trying to fix the game. I've updated SKSE and multiple mods that I see have updated, such as the Unofficial Patch, but the game is still breaking constantly. I've already uninstalled TK Dodge until an update comes out as it makes the game CTD, and I was trying a new character in general with the Alternate Character Start mod, something I've never used in Skyrim.

 

Right off the bat the game is fragile: when the game is registering MCM menus I usually need to stay still until its done. Especially when items from Apocalypse start spawning: if I'm moving and running around the game CTDs. If I stay in first person and move slowly I can get to the Statue of Mara and the bed, which works. Choosing the Vigilant of Stendarr option takes me to the Hall of the Vigilant as normal. Attempting to use the Alchemy table however causes a CTD. Using COC to travel to Riverwood I was able to use the Forge, but upon exiting it crashed the game. I was trying to do this by myself, but I'm at my wits' end now trying to diagnose whats wrong I apologize if this is the wrong place to go for this: if it is inform me and I'll take care to not do it again. But if anyone can help me figure out whats constantly crashing the game, I'd be very appreciative.

 

Load order is the following:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 ApachiiHair.esm

7 7 ApachiiHairFemales.esm

8 8 BSAssets.esm

9 9 BSHeartland.esm

10 a SMSkyrim.esp

11 b arnima.esm

12 c BS_DLC_patch.esp

254 FE 0 ItBeatsForHer.esl

13 d ApachiiHairMales.esm

14 e AzarHair.esm

15 f SGHairPackBase.esm

16 10 VHVP.esm

17 11 SkyUI_SE.esp

18 12 3DNPC.esp

19 13 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

20 14 Cutting Room Floor.esp

21 15 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

22 16 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

23 17 JKs Skyrim.esp

24 18 Blues Skyrim.esp

25 19 JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp

26 1a Phenderix Magic World.esp

27 1b Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

28 1c Balanced Magic SE.esp

29 1d Better Vampires.esp

30 1e Ars Metallica.esp

CBBE.esp

31 1f RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

32 20 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

33 21 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

34 22 OwnCivilWar.esp

35 23 Immersive Weapons.esp

36 24 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

37 25 High Level Enemies.esp

38 26 FNIS.esp

39 27 HarvestOverhaul_Redone_Creatures.esp

40 28 Melt_Down_Everything.esp

41 29 MTOH.esp

42 2a NB-Scars.esp

SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp

43 2b SMSkyrim - Meshes.esp

44 2c DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

45 2d High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

46 2e High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

47 2f BecomeAVampire.esp

48 30 DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp

49 31 LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp

50 32 ElvenSteelWeapons.esp

51 33 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

52 34 Run For Your Lives.esp

53 35 Cloaks.esp

254 FE 1 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp

54 36 Tomebound.esp

55 37 SPERG-SSE.esp

254 FE 2 Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp

56 38 Immersive Patrols II.esp

57 39 Colorful_Magic_SE.esp

58 3a Armes d'Auriel.esp

59 3b AsharaRomanticOutfit.esp

60 3c PrinceandPauper.esp

61 3d CommonClothes.esp

62 3e ColovianNobleClothes.esp

63 3f Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

64 40 LeatherBound Huntress Armor.esp

65 41 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

66 42 calyps-investigator.esp

67 43 Mara Thief Armor.esp

68 44 Relic Hunter Triss.esp

69 45 R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

70 46 Vigilant.esp

71 47 Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp

72 48 Tools of Kagrenac.esp

73 49 Vampirelordroyal.esp

74 4a Unslaad.esp

75 4b JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp

76 4c Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

144hours.esp

77 4d Better Females - Eyebrows.esp

78 4e ElementalArrows.esp

79 4f HeavyGreatsword.esp

80 50 LovelyHairstylesCE.esp

81 51 HelmetToggle.esp

82 52 KS Hairdo's.esp

83 53 HumanoidVampires.esp

84 54 AMatterOfTime.esp

85 55 AnotherVampireLeatherArmor.esp

86 56 AutoHideAmmo.esp

87 57 CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp

88 58 Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp

89 59 DisableAutoAim.esp

90 5a ImprovedDaedricArtifacts.esp

91 5b Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

92 5c Better Miraak's Sword.esp

93 5d ImprovedMiraakGear.esp

94 5e SGHair33x144.esp

EEO CRF patch.esp

Qw_ArsMetallica_SMIM_MergedAll Patch.esp

254 FE 3 Qw_BeyondReach_USSEP Patch.esp

254 FE 4 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

95 5f RaceMenu.esp

96 60 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

97 61 ResplendentArmor.esp

98 62 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp

99 63 SGHairPackAIO.esp

SPERG_ApocalypsePatch.esp

100 64 SPERG_ImmersiveArmorsPatch.esp

101 65 SPERG_USSEPPatch.esp

102 66 TailRemovalKit.esp

Tomebound - Better Vampires Patch.esp

103 67 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

104 68 UltimateCombat.esp

105 69 Unique Uniques.esp

106 6a Unleveled_Items.esp

107 6b UndeadFX.esp

108 6c valkyrja.esp

109 6d VHVP.esp

110 6e Vigilant Voiced.esp

111 6f Whistle.esp

112 70 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

113 71 Volkihar Knight.esp

114 72 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

115 73 EEO Imperious patch.esp

116 74 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

117 75 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Mods I have reinstalled using Mod Organizer in the past few days (post-update) are the following:

RaceMenu

Engine Fixes 4.0 (Part 1)

ScaleformTranslation

WhoseQuestIsItAnyways

StayAtSystemPageSE

JK Skyrim's - Dawn of Skyrim Patch

Imperious - Races of Skyrim Patch

Cutting Room Floor patch

QUASIPIC

Cutting Room Floor patch

I think Ultimate Combat is broken until an update comes out. Could that be the source of it?

Thank you so much for your help.

[Deleted64927026User]

Did you run Loot? Might show an error or two

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-sse-conversion-tracking-mar-14-yes-sse-1573-yes-skse-2015-no-sexlab-see-first-post/

^ There is a list right at the top of the post showing which mods need an Update, which have been updated and which might dont need an update because of SKSE

I believe It doesnt list every mod that needs SKSE but it should list the most common ones

 

(I have no clue about Bashed Patches but someone who does might ask whats inside it)

Edited March 17, 2019 by Guest

[Deleted58783396User]

i see you have a few Oldrim mods in your load order.

 

Oldrim mods will not work in Skyrim Special Edition, unless properly ported. if they are not properly ported, they will cause all sorts of issues, ranging from CTDs to other issues.

 

Oldrim BSA files will not Work in Skyrim Special Edition at all, they would need to be Extracted and Re-Packaged using Skyrim SE archive Tool.

 

Oldrim ESP files will need to converted to Form 44

 

Oldrim Mesh Files will need to be Optimized, or they will cause CTDs

 

Oldrim Cubemaps will need to be Compressed to Bc7 or they will cause CTDs when attempting to view items that are using the uncompressed Cubemaps.

 

Re-Enable the mods that have been disabled by Wrye Bash, then open Wrye Bash, Rebuild Bash Patch - Click on Skip When it Asks to Merge Mods - then on the next window, untick the box that says Merged Mods, it is not nessrary to merge mods if you are below 255 Active Plugins (you only have 130 plugins, nowhere near 255, merging anything that is not Leveled lists is completely redundant and can do more harm then good), then Build the Patch Again, so it only merges leveled lists.

 

As mentioned in the Above Reply, Run LOOT and take note of any issues it mentions.

 

Note: their is a very good chance that all of the Oldrim mods you are using, are the reasons why your game is unstable, because they are not ported properly.

[miyushinohara]

From my end, after playing the game some more, the problem appeared to be TK Dodge. Installing the updated version of TK Dodge has largely stabilized the game. I thought removing it and patching FNIS would remove its problems: do you have to do more beyond that? I'm surprised it was causing such extreme problems, I thought with it uninstalled the game would be relatively stable.

 

I've been trying to avoid Oldrim mods with the exception of mostly hair mods: Inconsequential NPCs was ported by someone else and I'm using a few leftover hair mods from Oldrim that hasn't been uploaded for SSE. WIth the exception of Lovely Hairstyles which I had to optimize. I haven't optimized the rest, but that does make me wonder; usually in character creation when I switch genders to make a female character, the game does tend to freeze for a minute before stabilizing itself. The hair mods dont' seem to affect the stability of the game, but if I optimize them properly (I only did it for Lovely) will that probably prevent the freezing in character creation?

 

That actually is great to know though- I thought mods that need no scripts or SKSE or anything like that are usually stable form porting from Oldrim to SE, which is why I've been confident with my hair mods. There are a few mods from Oldrim though I want to port including one that adds a sun damage enchantment, so that help is appreciated!

 

Also, I was testing some out: Inconsequential NPCs was ported by someone else that said it was ready for SE, but it didn't seem to be working right and was causing a CTD in a tavern, so I uninstalled it. Might not have caught that if not for your advice, so I appreciate it.

[Deleted58783396User]

happy to help :smile:

 

as for the freezing when switching to female, i believe this is caused by using an excessive amount of body,face and hair mods.

 

i also freeze for like 10 seconds when switiching to female characters in character creation (males seem to load instantly however), but likewise i am using an excessive amount of mods for females, such as Ks Hairdos (700 odd hairs) and also Apachii hairstyles which basically takes my total amount of availble hairs for females to like almost 1000, Lind's Human Eyes (ported myself for private use, absolutely no issues with it), Neithteam warpaints and another oldrim face paint mod which the name escapes me (which i also ported both for private use) and Lifelike idle animations mod (which is another mod that only works on females for ovbious reasons) so yea. it is very minor issue though compared to all the goodies we get for ultimate customization :tongue: and the freeze is literally only when swapping to female for the very first time, the freeze is completely eliminated after that.

 

i am thinking the freeze is caused by having too many available hairs, as the game would need to load all of them within the same time it takes to switch to female (i believe is how it works).

 

plus i am also using 8K Skin textures for my females, so yea thats a lot to process for the game.

 

i very much doubt its the mods themselves causing the issues however, rather its because i have a ridiculous amount of them. as the mods themselves have absolutely no issues, with the extensive time i have spent using em.

[Zanderat]

FYI. I was crashing, too. Turns out that there have been two versions of SKSE64 since the update. Installing the latest stopped my crashing.

[Skinjack]

As of yesterday, two mods I identified as not being updated yet and causing issues were the .Net Script Framework and To your Face - Sensible NPC Commenting. I believe it is also Quick Loot RE that depends on .Net Script Framework (I don't remember that requirement before) so the new version of that is more than likely an issue as well based on requirements.

 

I don't see any of them in your list, but in my searches this morning I also saw a thread saying Race Menu was causing issues, and that is in your list. Just a head's up. The author was pretty adamant it was causing his issues due the the successive SKSE updates, but I can't say for certain. All I know is it required me going back to 1.5.62 to get my game working again, and Race Menu was one of the mods I reverted to the previous version as well. I'm just trying to get this figured out too. Is anyone having good results after updating, and is Race Menu in/out of your load order? I'd just really like to eliminate some possibilities, and I don't want it to be a Race Menu issue because I've got half a dozen or so mods that require it.

[Deleted64927026User]

As of yesterday, two mods I identified as not being updated yet and causing issues were the .Net Script Framework and To your Face - Sensible NPC Commenting. I believe it is also Quick Loot RE that depends on .Net Script Framework (I don't remember that requirement before) so the new version of that is more than likely an issue as well based on requirements.

 

Quick Loot RE doesnt depend on Net Script Framework

Its only recommended for crash logging.. I believe

 

If he has NSF enabled he wouldnt even be able to start the game. NSF shows you an error about it not being able to start because of an .dll or something like that and then nothing happens

[Skinjack]

Yeah, I don't think it was listed in the previous version as one, but it is now being listed as a "requirement" for Quick Loot RE. I had just installed RE from the SE version before the update and I don't have that as being required. Could be my oversight. I haven't been able to update for some reason yet, so I really don't know if it works without .NSF.

 

But now that I have your attention, thank you for that link to Lovers Lab above. It's not a complete list, but it gives a start on SKSE dependent mods for those of us who are too lazy to search through 681 mods to see if it is.