Screenshot Community Event: Win one of three prizes!

[TeofaTsavo]

In response to post #68753116. #68753876, #68755671, #68755921, #68756021 are all replies on the same post.

TeofaTsavo wrote: Re. Post Processing
The majority of events I have participated in at Render sites have either listed the allowable post processing or asked authors to list post-process work done. Most new user events have limited allowable post processing.

If this is to be "educational" participants should be able to see what the author used and perhaps from that expand their imaging skills.

Take the question from "how did this author do that" to "oh, thats what they did, I'm going to look into that". Not really different than an author listing what ENB was used.

Outright banning of post processing ignores cropping, resizing, jpeg conversion and optimization, a whole lot of common things people forget are post processing.

That being said, I will probably not complete my entry, as I see this as a contest set up for an existing, tight knit, first name basis community already in place, not as an educational or new participant friendly event. I actually created my entry using no poser addons, no enb, no tools not available to anyone that can access the console, no post but a border and jpeg conversion to illustrate what anyone can do. And, I can see it was a total waste of time.

Oh and, IMO, you really dropped the ball by allowing endorsements on entry images. Seriously...

Di3sIrae wrote: This event is much more an event for people to participate than an event made for only people with good computers and good artistic skills.
A note on this, is that every single screenshot event anywhere will, we want it or not, have preferences for skilled authors. So they will never be friendly to new participants unless you rule it down to not allow these skilled people to participate. Sadly :(
This is because most new users, instead of seeing this as a chance to participate of the community, feel afraid of posting their shots as if they are not "good enough". There is no such thing. I myself don't like most images that i see that have editions on the lighting and composition (let's be clear, we're talking about artistic changes, not crop or conversion), so it is all a question of point of view.

I am only commenting here, because i see that what was first the idea of this contest - the first Nexus community event, which will even give prizes, is changing to something else. They don't want people to really make a competition between them to see who is better, instead, the rules are clear, they want everyone to join and send their screenshots. The prizes will be given randomly. So this is absolutely the contrary, it is not something to scare away the beginners, but instead to let them come and upload their creations because everyone have the same chance.
They having 2 prizes that will be amongst selected screenshots is to encourage people to try their best, not just upload any crap just to participate.
So in my vision this is a very friendly event, and it is sad that you refuse to participate because of what you thought about the event.

Image endorsements are not really the focus of this event, they don't mean anything at all. The most endorsed images may be selected or not for the 15 who will have better chances of winning. All that is left is to trust that the judges will be fair and not pick only what they think is good and ignore others just because they don't have an ENB. for example. The theme is clear, and the pictures must pass the theme to the viewer, that's all i think is fair.

Fyrcynn wrote: In some events and competitions newcomers and experienced participants have separate divisions exactly so that everyone can enter without being left in the dust simply from being new. It wouldn't be an ideal solution to the problem in this case, but it would still be something.

Image endorsements do mean something, a lot in fact. It may or may not have any bearing on the randomness of the prize giveaways, but it's still a known fact that the galleries on this site are basically unofficial popularity listings, which is the only form of acknowledgement people can get here besides commenting. This is what could be a bigger reason for beginners to stay away since they know that no one would spare a second glance to their pictures, so why bother?

Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment.

Darksaber87 wrote: Because they have more endos than your image does they have a bigger chance of winning?

Funny last I checked this was randomized winner so a person who just posts a vanilla Skyrim shot retaining to the event has just as much a chance to win this stupid prize than a person who photo shopped or has better ENB skills than them.

All this comes down to is the dumb prize that is offered for this event, which I figured would cause so much issues that they should of not even done it. We all come from humble beginnings, practice, instead of worrying about others. I do hope the Nexus staff looks at this and rethinks this whole "prize pool" I honestly believe Rick and Naps would agree on this also.

Di3sIrae wrote: "Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment."
Sadly, as there will always be, almost everywhere. In my opinion, separating beginners from skilled ones is the real problem.

I'm even avoiding the prizes, i'm seeing it more as a reunion party with a bingo. If you win it, good, if not, what was important was your presence.

The entrenched popularity contest view count will quickly tell new people how much their presence was valued..
Look at the Skyrim community event gallery, contrast the view and endorsements counts, and tell me how appreciated Ciaran125 is for their rich, detailed first time contributions. It's pathetic, and it is this so called community doing what they do always. Edited March 24, 2019 by TeofaTsavo

[Jebbalon]

In response to post #68753116. #68753876, #68755671, #68755921, #68756021, #68756816 are all replies on the same post.

TeofaTsavo wrote: Re. Post Processing
The majority of events I have participated in at Render sites have either listed the allowable post processing or asked authors to list post-process work done. Most new user events have limited allowable post processing.

If this is to be "educational" participants should be able to see what the author used and perhaps from that expand their imaging skills.

Take the question from "how did this author do that" to "oh, thats what they did, I'm going to look into that". Not really different than an author listing what ENB was used.

Outright banning of post processing ignores cropping, resizing, jpeg conversion and optimization, a whole lot of common things people forget are post processing.

That being said, I will probably not complete my entry, as I see this as a contest set up for an existing, tight knit, first name basis community already in place, not as an educational or new participant friendly event. I actually created my entry using no poser addons, no enb, no tools not available to anyone that can access the console, no post but a border and jpeg conversion to illustrate what anyone can do. And, I can see it was a total waste of time.

Oh and, IMO, you really dropped the ball by allowing endorsements on entry images. Seriously...

Di3sIrae wrote: This event is much more an event for people to participate than an event made for only people with good computers and good artistic skills.
A note on this, is that every single screenshot event anywhere will, we want it or not, have preferences for skilled authors. So they will never be friendly to new participants unless you rule it down to not allow these skilled people to participate. Sadly :(
This is because most new users, instead of seeing this as a chance to participate of the community, feel afraid of posting their shots as if they are not "good enough". There is no such thing. I myself don't like most images that i see that have editions on the lighting and composition (let's be clear, we're talking about artistic changes, not crop or conversion), so it is all a question of point of view.

I am only commenting here, because i see that what was first the idea of this contest - the first Nexus community event, which will even give prizes, is changing to something else. They don't want people to really make a competition between them to see who is better, instead, the rules are clear, they want everyone to join and send their screenshots. The prizes will be given randomly. So this is absolutely the contrary, it is not something to scare away the beginners, but instead to let them come and upload their creations because everyone have the same chance.
They having 2 prizes that will be amongst selected screenshots is to encourage people to try their best, not just upload any crap just to participate.
So in my vision this is a very friendly event, and it is sad that you refuse to participate because of what you thought about the event.

Image endorsements are not really the focus of this event, they don't mean anything at all. The most endorsed images may be selected or not for the 15 who will have better chances of winning. All that is left is to trust that the judges will be fair and not pick only what they think is good and ignore others just because they don't have an ENB. for example. The theme is clear, and the pictures must pass the theme to the viewer, that's all i think is fair.

Fyrcynn wrote: In some events and competitions newcomers and experienced participants have separate divisions exactly so that everyone can enter without being left in the dust simply from being new. It wouldn't be an ideal solution to the problem in this case, but it would still be something.

Image endorsements do mean something, a lot in fact. It may or may not have any bearing on the randomness of the prize giveaways, but it's still a known fact that the galleries on this site are basically unofficial popularity listings, which is the only form of acknowledgement people can get here besides commenting. This is what could be a bigger reason for beginners to stay away since they know that no one would spare a second glance to their pictures, so why bother?

Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment.

Darksaber87 wrote: Because they have more endos than your image does they have a bigger chance of winning?

Funny last I checked this was randomized winner so a person who just posts a vanilla Skyrim shot retaining to the event has just as much a chance to win this stupid prize than a person who photo shopped or has better ENB skills than them.

All this comes down to is the dumb prize that is offered for this event, which I figured would cause so much issues that they should of not even done it. We all come from humble beginnings, practice, instead of worrying about others. I do hope the Nexus staff looks at this and rethinks this whole "prize pool" I honestly believe Rick and Naps would agree on this also.

Di3sIrae wrote: "Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment."
Sadly, as there will always be, almost everywhere. In my opinion, separating beginners from skilled ones is the real problem.

I'm even avoiding the prizes, i'm seeing it more as a reunion party with a bingo. If you win it, good, if not, what was important was your presence.

TeofaTsavo wrote: The entrenched popularity contest view count will quickly tell new people how much their presence was valued..
Look at the Skyrim community event gallery, contrast the view and endorsements counts, and tell me how appreciated Ciaran125 is for their rich, detailed first time contributions. It's pathetic, and it is this so called community doing what they do always.

... I see this as a contest set up for an existing, tight knit, first name basis community already in place, not as an educational or new participant friendly event.

That is utter bull crap and if anyone tells you different F- them. SOME participants are on 1st name basis - NOT all.
May not be as educational as you like but I feel it is more about sharing an appreciation for art in all forms and from all levels of talent.

[Deleted21585644User]

TLDR the comment section is quite long...

Anyway I just have 1 single point want to make :

- do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop? If you want to exclude post process, then you might as well say "no ENB / injection allowed!!". // Advanced player will be able to utilize these injection to produce better visual ingame real time, even without the use of Photoshop / Gimp. // On my perspective, people SHOULD put a lot more effort into screenshotting, it's not just about capturing what you see on YOUR screen within the confine of the bezel / point & shoot ;; but rather - it should be about creating a piece of work that you rejoice & delighted to share with other people. // it's not about winning.

Edited March 24, 2019 by Guest

[Fyrcynn]

In response to post #68760671.

xonedl wrote: TLDR the comment section is quite long...
Anyway I just have 1 single point want to make :
- do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop? If you want to exclude post process, then you might as well say "no ENB / injection allowed!!". // Advanced player will be able to utilize these injection to produce better visual ingame real time, even without the use of Photoshop / Gimp. // On my perspective, people SHOULD put a lot more effort into screenshotting, it's not just about capturing what you see on YOUR screen within the confine of the bezel / point & shoot ;; but rather - it should be about creating a piece of work that you rejoice & delighted to share with other people. // it's not about winning.

do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop

Do you even comprehend what you are saying? No, they are not the same, and I'm tired of repeating why. If you still can't or don't want to understand, the problem isn't with me. Edited March 24, 2019 by Fyrcynn

[Fyrcynn]

In response to post #68753116. #68753876, #68755671, #68755921, #68756021, #68756816, #68759846, #68764061 are all replies on the same post.

TeofaTsavo wrote: Re. Post Processing
The majority of events I have participated in at Render sites have either listed the allowable post processing or asked authors to list post-process work done. Most new user events have limited allowable post processing.

If this is to be "educational" participants should be able to see what the author used and perhaps from that expand their imaging skills.

Take the question from "how did this author do that" to "oh, thats what they did, I'm going to look into that". Not really different than an author listing what ENB was used.

Outright banning of post processing ignores cropping, resizing, jpeg conversion and optimization, a whole lot of common things people forget are post processing.

That being said, I will probably not complete my entry, as I see this as a contest set up for an existing, tight knit, first name basis community already in place, not as an educational or new participant friendly event. I actually created my entry using no poser addons, no enb, no tools not available to anyone that can access the console, no post but a border and jpeg conversion to illustrate what anyone can do. And, I can see it was a total waste of time.

Oh and, IMO, you really dropped the ball by allowing endorsements on entry images. Seriously...

Di3sIrae wrote: This event is much more an event for people to participate than an event made for only people with good computers and good artistic skills.
A note on this, is that every single screenshot event anywhere will, we want it or not, have preferences for skilled authors. So they will never be friendly to new participants unless you rule it down to not allow these skilled people to participate. Sadly :(
This is because most new users, instead of seeing this as a chance to participate of the community, feel afraid of posting their shots as if they are not "good enough". There is no such thing. I myself don't like most images that i see that have editions on the lighting and composition (let's be clear, we're talking about artistic changes, not crop or conversion), so it is all a question of point of view.

I am only commenting here, because i see that what was first the idea of this contest - the first Nexus community event, which will even give prizes, is changing to something else. They don't want people to really make a competition between them to see who is better, instead, the rules are clear, they want everyone to join and send their screenshots. The prizes will be given randomly. So this is absolutely the contrary, it is not something to scare away the beginners, but instead to let them come and upload their creations because everyone have the same chance.
They having 2 prizes that will be amongst selected screenshots is to encourage people to try their best, not just upload any crap just to participate.
So in my vision this is a very friendly event, and it is sad that you refuse to participate because of what you thought about the event.

Image endorsements are not really the focus of this event, they don't mean anything at all. The most endorsed images may be selected or not for the 15 who will have better chances of winning. All that is left is to trust that the judges will be fair and not pick only what they think is good and ignore others just because they don't have an ENB. for example. The theme is clear, and the pictures must pass the theme to the viewer, that's all i think is fair.

Fyrcynn wrote: In some events and competitions newcomers and experienced participants have separate divisions exactly so that everyone can enter without being left in the dust simply from being new. It wouldn't be an ideal solution to the problem in this case, but it would still be something.

Image endorsements do mean something, a lot in fact. It may or may not have any bearing on the randomness of the prize giveaways, but it's still a known fact that the galleries on this site are basically unofficial popularity listings, which is the only form of acknowledgement people can get here besides commenting. This is what could be a bigger reason for beginners to stay away since they know that no one would spare a second glance to their pictures, so why bother?

Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment.

Darksaber87 wrote: Because they have more endos than your image does they have a bigger chance of winning?

Funny last I checked this was randomized winner so a person who just posts a vanilla Skyrim shot retaining to the event has just as much a chance to win this stupid prize than a person who photo shopped or has better ENB skills than them.

All this comes down to is the dumb prize that is offered for this event, which I figured would cause so much issues that they should of not even done it. We all come from humble beginnings, practice, instead of worrying about others. I do hope the Nexus staff looks at this and rethinks this whole "prize pool" I honestly believe Rick and Naps would agree on this also.

Di3sIrae wrote: "Yes, the original intent behind this event deserves praise. But there are also problems and questions that need to be addressed to avoid disappointment."
Sadly, as there will always be, almost everywhere. In my opinion, separating beginners from skilled ones is the real problem.

I'm even avoiding the prizes, i'm seeing it more as a reunion party with a bingo. If you win it, good, if not, what was important was your presence.

TeofaTsavo wrote: The entrenched popularity contest view count will quickly tell new people how much their presence was valued..
Look at the Skyrim community event gallery, contrast the view and endorsements counts, and tell me how appreciated Ciaran125 is for their rich, detailed first time contributions. It's pathetic, and it is this so called community doing what they do always.

Jebbalon wrote:

... I see this as a contest set up for an existing, tight knit, first name basis community already in place, not as an educational or new participant friendly event.

That is utter bull crap and if anyone tells you different F- them. SOME participants are on 1st name basis - NOT all.
May not be as educational as you like but I feel it is more about sharing an appreciation for art in all forms and from all levels of talent.

Fyrcynn wrote: @Darksaber87

Because they have more endos than your image does they have a bigger chance of winning?

Can you even read? I never said anything like that.

Sure, only problem is that the number of endorsements don't reflect the skill and effort put into the pictures all too often. So it's not about being educational or art appreciation, the gallery system as a whole has serious problems where 10% of the userbase gets all the attention and the rest gets second-class citizen treatment. The feature being on by default only makes this worse, because it doesn't matter how the prizes are given out randomly, people will still only check out the pics with more upvotes. Sometimes I get the feeling the gallery here is a facebook all onto itself and that's a very disturbing thought. Edited March 24, 2019 by Fyrcynn

[wolfgrimdark]

In response to post #68760671. #68764026 is also a reply to the same post.

xonedl wrote: TLDR the comment section is quite long...
Anyway I just have 1 single point want to make :
- do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop? If you want to exclude post process, then you might as well say "no ENB / injection allowed!!". // Advanced player will be able to utilize these injection to produce better visual ingame real time, even without the use of Photoshop / Gimp. // On my perspective, people SHOULD put a lot more effort into screenshotting, it's not just about capturing what you see on YOUR screen within the confine of the bezel / point & shoot ;; but rather - it should be about creating a piece of work that you rejoice & delighted to share with other people. // it's not about winning.

Fyrcynn wrote:

do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop

Do you even comprehend what you are saying? No, they are not the same, and I'm tired of repeating why. If you still can't or don't want to understand, the problem isn't with me.

They are not the same as one is done in-game while playing and the other is external to the game - a very clear distinction.

To me the main difference is anything you can do in-game while playing is part of the screenshot. So mods (including those that also let you edit visuals in-game), textures, ENB, ReShade, they are all done in-game and are also used to actually play the game with. Editing after the game is closed and done - that is not part of the game. Now it becomes digital art and no longer just a screenshot. Which is fine but I see a clear distinction between a screenshot that was done entirely in-game versus one used as a template for later editing. I know some folks who put a lot of effort into getting the most out of their game, especially with less powerful computers, get annoyed when people accuse of them of post-editing the image.

To me one aspect of doing a screenshot is saying - hey this is what the game looks like. It is used to show off how someone has made their actual game look via mods, ENB, etc. It is a way of showing the community - hey look how you can make this game look with mods and tools while playing it.

Once you edit the image outside of the game with GIMP or PS it is no longer a screenshot representing the game itself. Its someone going - hey look what I can do with GIMP and PS.

That is why I prefer screenshots that are not edited as I want to see what people can do with their game and what kind of shots they can make. That being said it certainly isn't a big deal if people post-edit either (I have seen some really amazing images done post-edit) although it is nice when they actually state that they did edit the image afterwards instead of pretending they did it all in-game (outside of the obvious of course - people will crop, make thumbnails, or do various things that are clearly post-edits and often to help create a main image that explains a theme they did).

On the other hand when you get to art it doesn't matter if screenshot art or digital art- at that point its just art. If people enjoy that than more power to them. I just know I personally prefer to see screenshots of what people can do with their game not what they can do with GIMP and PS (and there are many other places I can go online to see the wonderful work people do with tools like GIMP and PS). Matter of taste. Don't think its worth a big fuss over beyond understanding there is a difference.

As one user indicated some of this is probably more the result of prizes, which tend to always heat things up but I understand some of that is probably to motivate people to get involved.

Will certainly be interesting to see where it goes. Regardless I do see a lot of cool images and many people enjoying themselves which is really the point of it all I believe.

[Custom22]

In response to post #68768606. #68769041, #68769216, #68769701, #68770096, #68770411 are all replies on the same post.

Custom22 wrote: tfw posting pretty pictures has to become the next big community drama

Fyrcynn wrote: You're not helping, you know.

Custom22 wrote: What is there to help? This whole thing is about as dumb as a bag of brain damaged monkeys on meth.

TeofaTsavo wrote: Uh, pretty picture forums on the net are powerful black holes of drama that can even suck nearby tumblr blogs dry.

Not a new thing, even here.

Remhac wrote: Nothing to help. Just make your pictures how you want and and put you're all into it if it means that much to you. Stop trying to police how other people make their own work. If you're so upset by this "Randomized, User Friendly Competition" Make your own, so you can put whatever rules on and be done with it, instead of crying that no one is giving you the amount of attention YOU want. BigBizkit, Excellentium and napoleonofthestump have done their best to even the fields, and somehow there's still a "problem". Please...

I put a lot of work into my stuff, Post-edits and all, I still don't get a very large amount of views on my stuff. So what though? I'm not going to cry about. I'm happy with what I get. I'm happy when my friends tell me about how much they like the post I made, and waiting to see what they make as well. So I'm gonna keep making my stories and be happy when the people that matter and that I want to see it, finally do. This event was suppose to bring screen archers together, all you've done so far is try to find more ways to divide us. Despicable...

Fyrcynn wrote: Oh, so denouncing and mocking other people for caring about what they do is the trendy and cool now? Guess that's why you're part of the problem too. You're basically saying to either shut up and conform without question or gtfo because no one gives a damn about you. Yeah, the picture you linked in expresses very well how I feel about you, especially because you have the balls to blame it all on me. You <insert expletives here>.

[Grungehog]

This is awesome, I haven't shared any screenies yet, I mostly take them for mod page purposes but recently I've been enjoying taking them more regularly.

I have to save before I screenshot though as it often crashes my SSE for some reason.

I'm very excited to participate in this event :D.

You're all a great bunch and I'm glad to be part of this community!

[BigBizkit]

In response to post #68773546.

Grungehog wrote: This is awesome, I haven't shared any screenies yet, I mostly take them for mod page purposes but recently I've been enjoying taking them more regularly.
I have to save before I screenshot though as it often crashes my SSE for some reason.
I'm very excited to participate in this event :D.
You're all a great bunch and I'm glad to be part of this community!

Cheers! Glad you like the event ;)

[Fyrcynn]

In response to post #68760671. #68764026, #68769921 are all replies on the same post.

xonedl wrote: TLDR the comment section is quite long...
Anyway I just have 1 single point want to make :
- do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop? If you want to exclude post process, then you might as well say "no ENB / injection allowed!!". // Advanced player will be able to utilize these injection to produce better visual ingame real time, even without the use of Photoshop / Gimp. // On my perspective, people SHOULD put a lot more effort into screenshotting, it's not just about capturing what you see on YOUR screen within the confine of the bezel / point & shoot ;; but rather - it should be about creating a piece of work that you rejoice & delighted to share with other people. // it's not about winning.

Fyrcynn wrote:

do people even realize ENB, SweetFX, Reshade themself are in fact have same functionalities as Photoshop

Do you even comprehend what you are saying? No, they are not the same, and I'm tired of repeating why. If you still can't or don't want to understand, the problem isn't with me.

wolfgrimdark wrote: They are not the same as one is done in-game while playing and the other is external to the game - a very clear distinction.

To me the main difference is anything you can do in-game while playing is part of the screenshot. So mods (including those that also let you edit visuals in-game), textures, ENB, ReShade, they are all done in-game and are also used to actually play the game with. Editing after the game is closed and done - that is not part of the game. Now it becomes digital art and no longer just a screenshot. Which is fine but I see a clear distinction between a screenshot that was done entirely in-game versus one used as a template for later editing. I know some folks who put a lot of effort into getting the most out of their game, especially with less powerful computers, get annoyed when people accuse of them of post-editing the image.

To me one aspect of doing a screenshot is saying - hey this is what the game looks like. It is used to show off how someone has made their actual game look via mods, ENB, etc. It is a way of showing the community - hey look how you can make this game look with mods and tools while playing it.

Once you edit the image outside of the game with GIMP or PS it is no longer a screenshot representing the game itself. Its someone going - hey look what I can do with GIMP and PS.

That is why I prefer screenshots that are not edited as I want to see what people can do with their game and what kind of shots they can make. That being said it certainly isn't a big deal if people post-edit either (I have seen some really amazing images done post-edit) although it is nice when they actually state that they did edit the image afterwards instead of pretending they did it all in-game (outside of the obvious of course - people will crop, make thumbnails, or do various things that are clearly post-edits and often to help create a main image that explains a theme they did).

On the other hand when you get to art it doesn't matter if screenshot art or digital art- at that point its just art. If people enjoy that than more power to them. I just know I personally prefer to see screenshots of what people can do with their game not what they can do with GIMP and PS (and there are many other places I can go online to see the wonderful work people do with tools like GIMP and PS). Matter of taste. Don't think its worth a big fuss over beyond understanding there is a difference.

As one user indicated some of this is probably more the result of prizes, which tend to always heat things up but I understand some of that is probably to motivate people to get involved.

Will certainly be interesting to see where it goes. Regardless I do see a lot of cool images and many people enjoying themselves which is really the point of it all I believe.

Yep, this is more or less what I've kept saying with little success. Maybe it will be considered more for the next time an event comes, though it will not have much of an effect on me for a few reasons. One of them is that seeing what a request for distinction with regards to photoshopping has turned into, I will refrain from participating in them from now on since all that would result from it is frustration and harassment. Likewise, as I'm outside of the circle of the popularity contests, AKA gallery. I think I'll just move my stuff to a different site, if I can find one that that suits my purposes.

Sorry about the mess.