Lachdonin Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 i can argue with you about the game lore till we grow old, im studying it very hard to find if there is anything that can stop me making this muskets, but i know theres nothing. and i can argue world history for just as long, as history is one of the subjects i failed at school being as i was very bored because it was very easy, so i know enough to make you hair curl. and if i look around here somewhere i have a few of my Granadads things, the sort of things that during the war he would have been shot for even looking at never mind smuggling them out of the country "I failed History, so i know more than you""I have my granddaddy's stuff, so i'm clearly more informed" Get a degree and we'll talk. Fact is, your information is Wikipedia grade rubbish. It lacks both social and historical context, and cherry picks information to support YOUR arguement rather than building an arguement around the facts. It is, in a word, garbage, and shows your total lack of understanding of human history and inovation, as well as a lack of knowlege about the Elder Scrolls universe. I offered input to make it work within the context of the world. Instead, you chose to argue an invalid point with partial, incoherent or outright false information. Thats fine you don't have to make the mod fix. Gods know we have plenty of mods which have absolutely no place in the Elder Scrolls. Your clear and blatant ethnocentrism is borderline sickening, and the implication that people in the past were somehow 'dumber' than we are no is absolute lunacy. The simple truth of the matter is, i AM smarter than you, because i understand something called context, which seems to sail well over your head. Just a little tidbit, we have archaeological evidence of black powder like material being used in the middles east as early as 1200bce. Which could mean A; Gun powder didn't originate in the orient, and B; it took 2400 years for it to catch on. Well said Blader, just put an end to it. We already started working on it so, there is little point in keep arguing. We have work to do. Yes, because once work starts all conceptuall efforts have to come to a standstill... I am not saying muskets and guns don't fit into the world. In fact, i have said the complete opposite several times. All i have tried to do is offer insight into HOW they would fit. Instead, i get what amounts to historical dung thrown at me. It's a wonder the lore fans on the Bethesda forums frown on people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RxHipster Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) This isnt a matter of when matchlocks or any other firearm were available in the real world its a matter of if they would be used in Skyrim. Mages most likely would not use them as they have superior weapons. The usage of gunpowder in Skyrim is lore friendly so simple firearms would be used by the rich and Jarls guards (Maybe only the few in his/her throne room). Edited September 2, 2012 by RxHipster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosu Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Oh, back from a 4-5 month break and still no muskets? Damn :DBut as i see still a lot discussion 'bout it...maybe that's the problem, anyone remembers the scene in "The Life of Brian" in which everyone talks but no one acts ^^ ? Edited September 2, 2012 by ghosu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 i can argue with you about the game lore till we grow old, im studying it very hard to find if there is anything that can stop me making this muskets, but i know theres nothing. and i can argue world history for just as long, as history is one of the subjects i failed at school being as i was very bored because it was very easy, so i know enough to make you hair curl. and if i look around here somewhere i have a few of my Granadads things, the sort of things that during the war he would have been shot for even looking at never mind smuggling them out of the country "I failed History, so i know more than you""I have my granddaddy's stuff, so i'm clearly more informed" Get a degree and we'll talk. Fact is, your information is Wikipedia grade rubbish. It lacks both social and historical context, and cherry picks information to support YOUR arguement rather than building an arguement around the facts. It is, in a word, garbage, and shows your total lack of understanding of human history and inovation, as well as a lack of knowlege about the Elder Scrolls universe. I offered input to make it work within the context of the world. Instead, you chose to argue an invalid point with partial, incoherent or outright false information. Thats fine you don't have to make the mod fix. Gods know we have plenty of mods which have absolutely no place in the Elder Scrolls. Your clear and blatant ethnocentrism is borderline sickening, and the implication that people in the past were somehow 'dumber' than we are no is absolute lunacy. The simple truth of the matter is, i AM smarter than you, because i understand something called context, which seems to sail well over your head. Just a little tidbit, we have archaeological evidence of black powder like material being used in the middles east as early as 1200bce. Which could mean A; Gun powder didn't originate in the orient, and B; it took 2400 years for it to catch on. Well said Blader, just put an end to it. We already started working on it so, there is little point in keep arguing. We have work to do. Yes, because once work starts all conceptuall efforts have to come to a standstill... I am not saying muskets and guns don't fit into the world. In fact, i have said the complete opposite several times. All i have tried to do is offer insight into HOW they would fit. Instead, i get what amounts to historical dung thrown at me. It's a wonder the lore fans on the Bethesda forums frown on people here. A. you dont know the first thing about me, your a big boy behind your keyboard. i have a life and i am more interested in making these mods for grateful people then listening to those that spend 5 hours with a thesaurus to sound smart, i dont need a degree in history, i have a library down the road. i am in the top 30% smartest people in the world (well there about) my IQ would make your hair turn white. i failed school because im autistic, i have ideas, but i need someone else to write it down, i cant express them through text, i have to speak everything and someone then need to interpret what i say and put it down for me. at the age of 15 i was arrested, because i had drawn the plans and built the most powerful handgun in the world, a railgun (mass driver). the only problem was the power requirements. though the new nano battery's that are being researched will be perfect for it. and to think at 15 i was able to build something that people only dream of, military have ship based versions, no one has been able to turn it into a rifle or handgun and make it effective. but i took down a 7 floor building (by accident). and B.leave Montbello Knight out of this, as she said we have work to do. now i bid you farewell, you can join the lonely ranks that is 'My Ignore List' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Just a little tidbit, we have archaeological evidence of black powder like material being used in the middles east as early as 1200bce. Which could mean A; Gun powder didn't originate in the orient, and B; it took 2400 years for it to catch on. I like this bit actually. please remind me how black powder is made? 100% natural ingredients, found in the soil. oh wait, lets take a stab in the dark here. Maybe all this stuff that comes from the earth, has been you know produced by the earth in the earth. im pretty sure, there was black powder around before the was any more then single celled organisms on the planet (if you believe that story) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 could i make a request to the mods please Could the whole dispute between me and Lachdonin be deleted from this thread please, its a little off topic and makes the place look untidy. if i dont get an answer in here or by pm il post a ticket asking instead, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosu Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Well i had to stop modding 4 months ago cause of health reasons...had some pistol and rifle concepts in the work but i had to cancel it all - much has changed, don't have access to my old stuff so i have to setup the whole thing once again and start over again...if i do so :D Sooo do you know 'bout any musket WIPs? Because IF i start over again with modding it would be a waste of ressources to start something that is already in work ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 It doesn't matter if firearms are possible given the technology of Skyrim... It doesn't matter if it is lorebased. Users who want to have some sort of firearm will still WANT some sort of firearm. This section is for mod requests, not for debates about what kind of requests are lore-based. It is entirely up to the mod author who wants to do this sort of project to decide if they want to make such a weapon in a style that fits with the rest of the world, or if they want to do something totally different. Please take your lore-nazisms somewhere else. There are people who are using this thread to work out the details of their mods and they likely do not need nor want your opinions. I'm leaving this thread open, but will be handing out strikes or banning outright if the debating continues as it has no place here. Thanks. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainwiz Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 As a guy who knows his obscure lore, I can tell you, that, yes, to some extent, guns exist in TES lore. Professor Numinatus had an arquebus that shot good ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 ok guys at approx 2:35 server time this thread was closed due to the lore debates, the mods didnt notice that were actually trying to produce this as you can see, i have managed to get this post re opened (within the hour) because of this. Please I STRESS PLEASE keep this thread clear of all debates about guns and lore, i will also not argue about lore and history with others. this thread is for requests and suggestions. and also for the team working on the mod to to discuss brainstorm and recruit. Thanks for your understanding guysBlade P.S. sorry about my outbursts and debates with others nearly removing your only port of call for info and updates about this specific mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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