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[metaphorset]

Canned food will last a very very long time, but it doesn't mean all of them will be ok. It's possible for food to last in can for 200 years, but it's advised to cook the food first regardless to make sure you don't get poisoning from bacteria in it.

 

Another thing that is odd is that everyone wants the fallout world to look crappy and dead. While the truth of the matter would be the complete opposite. After 200 years everything would be lush and green and overgrown with lots and lots of plantlife. And water wouldn't be muddy or dirty. It would be crispy clean because there's no polution for 200 years.

 

Normal canned food definitely won't be ok (or any equivalent with -ish at the end) after such a long time, if it's not specifically produced for the purpose. Not even close to 200 years or whatever a "very very long time" might stand for. Everything with fat in it goes first. Everything with acidity above neutral in it comes after that. A few years after "best before" and they start to taste funny in the best case and might kill you in the worst case. High-pressure vacuum-sealed cans might work but normal cans from the Super-Duper Mart aren't manufactured like this. I've had caned mashed tomatoes that went bad after 3 years...

 

Military MREs on the other hand... right after the end of what is known as the "Cold War", around the early/mid 90s, I opened quite some German, French, British and American MRE cans that had been manufactured in the 70s. None of them were stale, bad, bloated or rusted. Might even got some years to my own lifetime due to the amount of preservatives they contained...

 

About "everyone wants the Fallout world look crappy and dead" thing - I don't know... Bethesda sure did. The first "green" mods for Fallout 4 came soon after the release of the CK. Then there's Sellout 76. From what I've seen in videos, it's pretty green. Is it "realistic"? It's actually really hard to tell. The only location comparable to what an thermo-nuclear blast can do in a woodland area would be the Tunguska area. Over 100 years after it happened, you can still see the difference between inside and outside the blast radius and scientists still find charred remains of plants and animals.

 

As I already wrote in #10 it doesn't really make much sense to look for "realism" in any video game that is not an accurate simulation. Discussions like this always make me chuckle. Take physics, for example. The kinetic energy produced by an atomic blast gets distributed equally in every direction and it's strong enough that it tries to "fill" every hole and crack it comes across. The Story of Fallout 4 would have ended right at the point when the blast reached the elevator shaft (the mushroom cloud was definitely bigger than your thumb), because at least Shaun would have been squished by the blast energy alone, possibly everybody else on that platform.

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2020 by metaphorset

[AeonsLegend]

I said it's possible. Science already proved that canned food found from over 100 years ago was edible. But true that it requires special canning. We can always role play that the super duper mart has that procedure. I mean it's a "fantasy world" with fusion power. Not a far stretch for them to make unpersihable foodstufs in cans. It can be done.

[StormWolf01]

Ok, not trying to argue with either of you. But here's a twist. Most of the cans back in the 50's were steel based. Steel rusts. After 200 years, the stuff that wasn't protected from the elements would pretty much be gone. I dunno if they even had plastic back then, so I dunno if that woulda been an option or not. Tho I do know, that it wasnt used much at all. Not that either material would do anything against radiation tho.

[metaphorset]

I said it's possible. Science already proved that canned food found from over 100 years ago was edible. But true that it requires special canning.

 

"Science already proved" - another thing that makes me (as a scientist) chuckle. "Some but not all" proves exactly nothing, if "all" is not a significant high number. It only shows probabilities.

 

 

We can always role play that the super duper mart has that procedure. I mean it's a "fantasy world" with fusion power. Not a far stretch for them to make unpersihable foodstufs in cans. It can be done.

 

But that's the whole point of this thread, isn't it? You can "always role play" anything. Even laser guns with recoil or a kid that survives 200 years in a fridge (although grown-ups might want to eat a lot of those "funny cookies" to get into this state of mind).

 

If anything, your statement only proves my point that video games and "realism" (or any serious discussion of that matter) are completely pointless.

[metaphorset]

Ok, not trying to argue with either of you. But here's a twist. Most of the cans back in the 50's were steel based. Steel rusts. After 200 years, the stuff that wasn't protected from the elements would pretty much be gone. I dunno if they even had plastic back then, so I dunno if that woulda been an option or not. Tho I do know, that it wasnt used much at all. Not that either material would do anything against radiation tho.

 

Back then there was a whole array of can types. Steel cans with unleaded tin coating were the healthiest you could get. Other examples were enamelled, others spray-painted and then there were those that were soldered with lead-based solder.

 

Fun fact: The healthiest method to "can" food is still the one that got the whole industry started. Nicolas Appert, a French baker and the inventor of airtight food preservation used glass bottles and heat.

Edited January 21, 2020 by metaphorset

[HeyYou]

Back when I was in the service, (early 80's) we were eating K-rations from the korean war........They were still edible. (I won't call them 'good' though....) They were in steel cans, painted olive drab. (of course....) Even the crackers were still crispy and fresh. Granted, only about 30 some odd years old.....

[metaphorset]

Back when I was in the service, (early 80's) we were eating K-rations from the korean war........They were still edible. (I won't call them 'good' though....) They were in steel cans, painted olive drab. (of course....) Even the crackers were still crispy and fresh. Granted, only about 30 some odd years old.....

yep, like MREs. As I already pointed out in #31 , they were manufactured differently.

[StormWolf01]

funny thing in movies. Iwatched the Star Wars Rogue One movie again before watching some Star Trek.

SW lasers have recoil. And impact hard enough to knock a grown man completely off their feet, as well as completely ignore armor. Yet a light saber can deflect them with a twist of the wrist.

ST phasers have no recoil what-so-ever.

[markusm1000]

 

SW lasers have recoil. And impact hard enough to knock a grown man completely off their feet, as well as completely ignore armor. Yet a light saber can deflect them with a twist of the wrist.

 

You can't do an action movie or game without a good portion of KAWOOM.

 

In a "real" spacefight you would press the start-combat-button, nothing (audio-visual) happens and some seconds or minutes later the computer updates its statistics - a little bit boring.

[StormWolf01]

Oh yeah, I totally get it that you have to make it exciting and entertaining, when it's in the media.

I mean, we have tons of TV shows and Movies of people fighting in space, where the ships or fighters are blasting away at each other, and their energy weapons give off a screech, howl, zap, whatever kind of descriptive noise you want to use, in space. In a vacuum. Where there is nothing to carry sounds.