The Expansion Story Line

[vashts1985]

the us government engineered the FEV before the bombs fell as a way to create "super soldiers" after the bombs fell, the FEV research continued across America in the vaults. cross reference that with America today, and the place im willing to be it would have been made in is fort Detrick. now if you study a map of DC and MD as cross reference vault 87's location, you would see that it itself is not very far from where Frederick would be, leading me to believe it was Beth's intention that 87 be apart of fort Detrick, or at least in reference to it

[davidlheppner]

Well a stupid box could be a radio, but I have doubts about it being the Enclave behind the super mutants, seems likely to me its either someone completely new or they are being directed by some super mutants that retained intelligence. I would be really dissapointed if Bethesda doesn't do anything further with the super mutant source.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some intelligent Super Mutants came to the East and started experimenting. Harold made it all the way over there, so the Super Mutants had tonnes of time to, also. And although Fallout Tactics is not canon, they had smart Super Mutants who where doing experiments and it was noted that they were expanding their areas of operation.

 

Very true, but if I remember right in tactics the research those super mutants were doing was trying to find a cure for sterility in super mutants, my favorite theory is that there is a few special mutants that retained intelligence or maybe even be something closer the the master than a supermutant, but what ever it is, as long as Bethesda doesn't just drop the story of the supermutants I'll be happy.

[Conscripted]

Very true, but if I remember right in tactics the research those super mutants were doing was trying to find a cure for sterility in super mutants, my favorite theory is that there is a few special mutants that retained intelligence or maybe even be something closer the the master than a supermutant, but what ever it is, as long as Bethesda doesn't just drop the story of the supermutants I'll be happy.

 

 

Absolutely correct, but my idea went along with your theory, that because we know that some mutants retain their intelligence (the Colonel from Fallout 1 and the sheriff from Fallout 2) and we know some of the were scientists who continued their scientific work (Fallout 1 and non-canon from Fallout Tactics) therefore some of them are probably somewhere on the East coast do sciencey stuff.

 

Well, you get the idea.

[davidlheppner]

Very true, but if I remember right in tactics the research those super mutants were doing was trying to find a cure for sterility in super mutants, my favorite theory is that there is a few special mutants that retained intelligence or maybe even be something closer the the master than a supermutant, but what ever it is, as long as Bethesda doesn't just drop the story of the supermutants I'll be happy.

 

 

Absolutely correct, but my idea went along with your theory, that because we know that some mutants retain their intelligence (the Colonel from Fallout 1 and the sheriff from Fallout 2) and we know some of the were scientists who continued their scientific work (Fallout 1 and non-canon from Fallout Tactics) therefore some of them are probably somewhere on the East coast do sciencey stuff.

 

Well, you get the idea.

 

That would be ideal, my thought was that it may be mutants who were original inhabitants of Vault 87, its mentioned in Fallout 1 that due to protection from radiation (and possibly protection from the low levels of FEV that are in the atmosphere as mentioned in the Fallout Bible) that Vault Dwellars were the most ideal subjects to become super mutants and retain their intelligence. I just think it would be cheap for the ones behind the capital wasteland super mutants to be the Enclave.

[scannerfish]

But the whole thing about "what was different" about the super mutants in 3 was

 

they were on average more intelligent, because they never were exposed to the low levels of FEV in Vault 87?

 

 

 

Eh, super mutants capture people to eat them. Look at all the mutilated organ bags laying around them.

[davidlheppner]

But the whole thing about "what was different" about the super mutants in 3 was

 

they were on average more intelligent, because they never were exposed to the low levels of FEV in Vault 87?

 

 

 

Eh, super mutants capture people to eat them. Look at all the mutilated organ bags laying around them.

 

 

I honestly can't remember the details right now but I know there was mention that only some of the humans were for food, and the rest were taken elsewhere. I'll dig around and see if I can find the details.

[Seviche]

Well no duh it's

the Enclave. In the last few missions, when you get captured, if you look around good enough in the Enclave base (like I was on my rampage) you'll find super mutants in tanks of strange yellow liquids, as well as various other mutations, like Flesh Ghouls.

Well, let's be honest here, those look more like specimen pods than generation (or creation) pods. There's no real evidence of my theory or your theory. I'm just attempting some conjecture based on a random flavor quote.

the us government engineered the FEV before the bombs fell as a way to create "super soldiers" after the bombs fell, the FEV research continued across America in the vaults. cross reference that with America today, and the place im willing to be it would have been made in is fort Detrick. now if you study a map of DC and MD as cross reference vault 87's location, you would see that it itself is not very far from where Frederick would be, leading me to believe it was Beth's intention that 87 be apart of fort Detrick, or at least in reference to it

Now that IS interesting. Does that take into account the map distortion caused by Bethesda compressing the map for gameplay purposes?

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Hadn't thought of that- but it makes a lot of sense. Having a Vault nearby with provisions to continue research in the event of a war and the possible annihilation of the main facility would be a very good insurance policy. Perhaps Vault 87 was built beneath Ft. Detrick, or at least a similar facility? We have no real way to know just how far underground the complex is, after all- but it would have to be pretty far down to not be directly affected by whatever happened on the surface. Since there is no way (without tcl) to exit the Vault via the main entrance, it is impossible to tell what might have been outside. We know Vaults have been built in some pretty strange places- under Necropolis, under the Cathedral, etc- it would certainly be possible, if somewhat difficult to build beneath a pre-existing facility. Somebody would have to do a scaled comparison map to be sure, but even if the location wasn't exactly the same it does seem likely that 87 was built to support Ft. Detrick (otherwise, why build it on the East Coast right near one of the biggest bullseyes on Earth?)

[davidlheppner]

Hadn't thought of that- but it makes a lot of sense. Having a Vault nearby with provisions to continue research in the event of a war and the possible annihilation of the main facility would be a very good insurance policy. Perhaps Vault 87 was built beneath Ft. Detrick, or at least a similar facility? We have no real way to know just how far underground the complex is, after all- but it would have to be pretty far down to not be directly affected by whatever happened on the surface. Since there is no way (without tcl) to exit the Vault via the main entrance, it is impossible to tell what might have been outside. We know Vaults have been built in some pretty strange places- under Necropolis, under the Cathedral, etc- it would certainly be possible, if somewhat difficult to build beneath a pre-existing facility. Somebody would have to do a scaled comparison map to be sure, but even if the location wasn't exactly the same it does seem likely that 87 was built to support Ft. Detrick (otherwise, why build it on the East Coast right near one of the biggest bullseyes on Earth?)

 

Well Necropolis was a normal city during the war and the Master built the Cathedral above the vault, but its an intresting idea that Vault 87 was built for access to a surface base, I wonder if anyone has been able to confirm if Ft. Detrick should be nearby. Oh I used godmode to take a look at the entrance to vault 87 and there isn't any ruins there.

[crimsonsteel]

WTH, are all u ppl fallout noobs?!? (aside from omgwtf666 here) fallout 1 explains that super mutants are made using FEV virus, but that much is explained in fo3, THERE is a super mutant master, and u kill him in fallout 1, in fallout 2, some of the supermutants go good, like fawkes and some, well most, stay as the murdurous rampaging green ppl. however, fallout 1 and 2 are spaced like 50 years apart, and 2 is spaced about the same to 3, as harold has a sapling in his head in number 2 in the town of Gecko if any of u played it, obviosly not, in fallout 3, hes in oasis, inside that not-so-small sapling. same character, same retarded pet tree growing out of his... well body now. anyway, back to the topic, supermutants are ppl just highly mutated thru the fev, they take prisoners and turn them into supermutants (the ones that survive the transformation at least) and ones who dont get captured alive, as in the ones who run and get shot down, get eaten. i think the proof of this is not only red, but the random captured ppl all over the dc ruins.

 

~holy crap i sound like such a f***ing nerd~ oh well, its just cos i played fo1 and fo2 to boredom, and still havnt reached there yet, becos theyre much better made than bethesda couldve made it, at least they were funny. the comedy in this is just terrible. one good thing i can say for bethesda, is they made the karma system work better, in fo2 all it did was stop ppl from bartering with u at worst.