Fallout 4 Keeps Crashing at Random Periods of Time

[SamAsbell]

Hello, I have recently downloaded around 150 new mods to Fallout 4, most of which are smaller "quality of life" mods. However, I have a few large expansion and environment mods which could be causing issues. The main issue I am noticing is a crash to desktop at random intervals of time and sometimes even a complete freeze of my computer if it stops responding. Here is my load order:

 

Fallout4.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

DLCCoast.esm

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

DLCNukaWorld.esm

TrueStormsFO4.esm

HUDFramework.esm

DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm

ArmorKeywords.esm

Loads.esm

NewCalibers.esp

BerettaM9FS.esl

XDI.esm

cartman1975_warehouse.esp

Automatron Protectrons Expanded.esp

SummonerOnlyBots.esp

OCDecorator - No Experience.esp

OCDispenser.esp

BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

mso_sms.esp

S.H.I.T.esp

AllowWorkbenchDuringCombat.esp

More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

ConceptCentaur.esp

Quad_RAWLauncher.esp

Reload Sounds.esp

USP 45.esp

VariousJunk.esp

Item Overhaul - Shipments.esp

ManufacturingExtended.esp

CompactCrafting.esp

SCDC_v0.5.esp

Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp

ReGrowth Overhaul 10.esp

ValiusHDTextures4K.esp

Mosin.esp

M2216.esp

3dscopes-m2216.esp

DD_bleu_Ump_Extreme_Lore_friendly_edition.esp

3dscopes-ump.esp

3dscopes.esp

Weaponsmith Extended 2.esp

test - deleveled items.esp

pipeshotty.esp

WOTC.esp

SOTS.esp

AR70 Assault Rifle.esp

Armorsmith Extended.esp

Randomized DC Guard Outfits.esp

LoreFriendlySurvivalChems.esp

Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp

BTInteriors_Project.esp

The_Prydwen_Overhaul.esp

Atomic World.esp

BTInt_Optimization.esp

MODaquatic.esp

GlowingSeaEXPANDED.esp

moreXplore.esp

Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

ConcordEXPANDED.esp

AEWS.esp

Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp

TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp

TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

Survivalist GoBags-Chem Station.esp

Classic Fallout Music.esp

Classic Fallout Music NukaWorld.esp

Classic Fallout Music Far Harbor.esp

DEF_WIDGETS_SURVIVAL1.esp

BetterItemSorting-AID.esp

3Vegas_SurvivalBeverages_version1A.esp

Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp

K9TacticalHarness.esp

Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp

Ambient Wasteland.esp

BetterItemSorting-MISC.esp

BetterItemSorting-APPAREL.esp

Classic VATS.esp

test - combat stealth.esp

test - deleveled perks.esp

test - perk tweaks.esp

test - crafting tweaks.esp

SilentProtagonist.esp

test - npc tweaks.esp

True Legendary Enemies.esp

MoreEnemies.esp

strongerRobotsSynthsTurrets.esp

0003 Survivalist Cabin 1.2.esp

MsAbominations.esp

MakeshiftHomes.esp

Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

The Deadly Commonwealth Expansion.esp

test - tweaked weapons.esp

HagenEXPANDED.esp

VertibirdOverhaulHackAndMark.esp

OCDecorator.esp

OCDecoratorDLC.esp

DeadlierDeathclaws.esp

MODspider.esp

SwampsEXPANDED.esp

Fusion Gun.esp

Jake'sMod.esp

FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp

FunctionalDisplays.esp

FunctionalDisplays-MISC-VIS.esp

Item Overhaul.esp

BetterItemSorting-JUNK.esp

D.E.C.A.Y.esp

Quad_Accelerator.esp

ehtyeci_MPX.esp

W.A.T.Minutemen.esp

NightstrikerCreatureMod.esp

AK74M.esp

Vivid Waters.esp

Better Explosives Redux.esp

More Smarter Companions Mod.esp

McMillanCS5.esp

BerettaM9FS.esp

EG7.esp

Ak5C.esp

Conquest.esp

ChinaLakeandHolorifle.esp

Tec-9.esp

HandmadeAntiMaterielRifle.esp

AR_DLC01.esp

F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

LAER.esp

WattzLaserGun.esp

Submarine Base Echo.esp

Glock 17&18.esp

Realisticbullets-NC.esp

BetterItemSorting-WEAPONS.esp

SkibsWeapons-REDUX.esp

M1Garand.esp

LeeEnfieldNo4MkI.esp

FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

CommonwealthCritters.esp

HaxRPG7.esp

MTs255.esp

GS Benelli M3S90.esp

RU556.esp

HuntingShotgun.esp

FN-FAL.esp

BullpupBozar.esp

AK400.esp

MP7.esp

AQUILA.esp

P90.esp

GS Beretta PX4.esp

MP-412.esp

DOOM1911.esp

3dscopes-cryophaser.esp

Quad_Fusillade.esp

Dark of Commonwealth.esp

Mauser.esp

Live Action Handy.esp

BetterCompanions.esp

test - base mod.esp

ModularKalash.esp

USP Mod.esp

USP_Animation.esp

NV4.esp

3dscopes-hamr.esp

R91M.esp

3dscopes-R91M.esp

3dscopes-holorifle.esp

3dscopes-wattz.esp

M14.esp

3dscopes-m14.esp

M1Garand - AWKCR.esp

BuildYourOwnVault.esp

BasementLiving.esp

CROSS_BreakActionLaser.esp

HuntingRevolver.esp

SG550.esp

DOOMLK05.esp

3dscopes-lk05.esp

3dscopes-laer.esp

3dscopes-huntingrevolver.esp

WMW_TS.esp

BetterNightVision.esp

DarkerNights.esp

DarkerNights-Radiant.esp

DarkerNightsDetection.esp

G36Complex.esp

HK_UMP.esp

DOOMDesertEagle.esp

M1A.esp

AUG-A1.esp

P220.esp

P90NPC.esp

PlutoniumCreatures.esp

FunctionalDisplays-AID-VIS.esp

FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL-VIS.esp

AES_Renovated Furniture.esp

Northland Diggers New.esp

Thematic and Practical.esp

Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

BetterSettlers.esp

BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp

BetterSettlersHeavyArmorOnly.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

StartMeUp.esp

I apologize for the ridiculously long order. Now are there any conflictions that might occur with this order? Are there any plugins that are known to directly cause issues in the game (i.e. crashing, freezing, etc)? Thank you for your patience!

[JimmyRJump]

Post you CPU; RAM and GPU instead and add large chunks of text or pictures between

tags, please. I currently have 659 mods running without any crashes (yet) so it's either a mod conflict or the GPU runs out of RAM.

 

First thing I would try is run the game without the 'Conquest' mod. That one is okay but clashes with several other mods when you don't have patches for it.

[SamAsbell]

Alright, it seemed like doing each step in this order helped fix the weird freezing and crashing at random intervals for a decent period of time:

 

1. Restart your computer

 

2. Run Fallout through the Steam Launcher (not F4SE)

 

3. Run it in windowed

 

4. Load an older save, at least 10 minutes before the crash

 

5. Exit to desktop

 

6. Run it again, this time through the F4SE launcher

 

Although this might not look like an "official" fix, this is the step-by-step process I went through every time it crashed or froze and my game ran stable for a decently long game session. But yeah, I'll check out the Conquest patches.

 

My specs in case it is still relevant:

 

CPU: Ryzen r7 2700 | RAM: 32gb ddr4 3200 | GPU: gtx 1070ti

Edited March 31, 2020 by SamAsbell

[jjb54]

I will throw out an idea that I recently had ...

 

Double check those MODS that require FO4-SE and make sure you are totally up to date. I found 1 mod that was not and it was a Script Error that built up to a CTD. I did have to start over w/a new game - as the script started a corruption breakdown in the saved game.

[StormWolf01]

Another thing that I am noticing about your load order (LO)

You have both files for the Beretta 92FS. Both are not needed. Pick one, and remove the other. I personally would remove the .esl version, because it can't be shifted in your LO. The only reason the download for the ESL version is required is because that download has the folders containing the ba2 archives in it.

 

Another thing is that your LO really needs some sorting out. You've got your categories all mixed together, and some of them should be taking higher priority in your LO than others.

 

Functional Displays is out of order. It needs to have the primary .esp file before the others. That mod has also been known to cause CTDs.

Tho I myself have never had an issue with it, via a manual install. So it might be because of conflicts or a bad install.

 

NO idea whatsoever that TEST mod is.

 

You're trying to load the UMP patch files way far ahead of the UMP weapon mod.

 

3dscopes you have a couple of patches trying to load before the mod itself.

 

This is why I don't like modmanagers. If you're using one, you need to go back in and double check what's going on, after it installs the mods. Cuz your load ORDER is way out of whack.

[JimmyRJump]

Use LOOT to sort your load order. It's not a magician's baton that solves everything, but it's 98.5% accurate.

[SamAsbell]

Thank you for the suggestions guys. I tried using LOOT and it detected no conflicts, I did that a while ago. I will also check out the various redundant and incorrectly sorted plugins. The whack sorting might just be me and my laziness with downloading certain mods. Another thing I noticed was that most of my crashes occur around locations that have been added by other mods such as Beantown Interiors, Atomic World, and MoreXplore, just an observation...

[SamAsbell]

PS I believe the "test" esps are from the "Realistic Enjoyable Survival Tweaks (REST)" mod

Edited April 1, 2020 by SamAsbell

[SamAsbell]

Update: I have done everything that you guys mentioned and am still experiencing common CTDs. I notice that most of them also occur when I either load a save, when the game itself autosaves, when I load a cell, or when a large entity or object loads. I still don't know what to make of this. For now, I am certain it is not a LO problem...

 

I'll try to start a new game and run some troubleshooting on various mods. For now, I am very sure it is the location mods, or mods that add new cells that are causing issues. I won't go quiet on this.

Edited April 1, 2020 by SamAsbell

[StormWolf01]

Hey again Sam.

Glad that you're starting to get the load order straightened out :)

If you are experiencing crashes while the game is saving, you might as well just delete the save that it just made. I'd guestimate that about 90% of the time the game crashes out before completing the save file. Meaning that it's not usable because it's not saved properly. Which is probably at least 1 reason why you're also crashing when trying to load those save files.

Crashing out while writing the save is also usually an indication that you have savegame corruption, as there's info in the file that it can't write. That's not always the case but if you notice it happening a LOT on that character, I'm sorry to say that it won't get better. :(

 

Just from some of the examples that you gave, if you're running any mods that do revamp the map extensively, such as beantown interiors, or more exploration, unless they state that they are compatible or have been patched.... I can't advise playing with multiple mods like that, or combining them with mods that change other cells of the map.

It's just too hard to say who changed what, and if those changes work together. The latter includes new settlement mods too.

 

Another thing that I will go ahead and ask. Are you starting the game with your full LO set for active? Or are you waiting until you get out of the vault and let everything load up, before you go full active LO?

 

One other thing I do want to mention, since you mention loading. There's a difference between a crash during a load, where the game just vanishes, such as a CTD, theres also a partial crash/lock... where it vanishes but is still running in the background (you can usually still hear the music) and it's still in the list in task manager, or there is Infinte Load Screen (ILS) where the screen just goes black and won't ever finish loading. Sometimes it's important to specify that, because sometimes they can have different reasons.