Tytanis Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE Came across this, thought I would share it. All thoughts are welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugfire Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) The video is an overproduce claim that correlation proves causation. Official sounding people say the drugs are bad/dangerous. Heart-wrenching music plays as tragedies are displayed subtitled before this happened they took this drug. It's a twelve minute long logical fallacy. It's not that I don't have concern about the way powerful psychiatric meds are regulated and prescribed but this doesn't add anything to the debate. I do not believe that focusing on any one perceived cause is constructive. The issue of mass killings is a very complex social problem. Knee jerk We Must Focus On Blank attitudes are counter productive. There is no panacea. Clicking your heels together won't get you back to Kansas. This is a complex issue that won't be solved on a web forum or in a documentary film (even if Morgan Freeman narrated it.) Are gun regulations effective/reasonable?Is the media handling coverage of these shootings appropriately?Are psychiatric conditions be appropriately diagnosed/addressed? (Medication is only one part of this issue) Many valid questions are raised and I reject the idea that we shouldn't focus on solving any one question without first answering the questions with empirical evidence. My 2/100th of a dollar. Edited February 7, 2013 by bugfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The video is an overproduce claim that correlation proves causation. Official sounding people say the drugs are bad/dangerous. Heart-wrenching music plays as tragedies are displayed subtitled before this happened they took this drug. It's a twelve minute long logical fallacy. It's not that I don't have concern about the way powerful psychiatric meds are regulated and prescribed but this doesn't add anything to the debate. I do not believe that focusing on any one perceived cause is constructive. The issue of mass killings is a very complex social problem. Knee jerk We Must Focus On Blank attitudes are counter productive. There is no panacea. Clicking your heels together won't get you back to Kansas. This is a complex issue that won't be solved on a web forum or in a documentary film (even if Morgan Freeman narrated it.) Are gun regulations effective/reasonable?Is the media handling coverage of these shootings appropriately?Are psychiatric conditions be appropriately diagnosed/addressed? (Medication is only one part of this issue) Many valid questions are raised and I reject the idea that we shouldn't focus on solving any one question without first answering the questions with empirical evidence. My 2/100th of a dollar. Not really. 99% of the mass shooters had mental issues to one degree or another. (and much more so than your average criminal) Several of them have already been determined to have been somewhat less than sane, but, as there was no help available to them, there really wasn't much record of it, or even none at all. Others had a history of mental illness, that was even thoroughly documented, but, as sharing that information with law enforcement (and thus having it show up on a background check to purchase a weapon) was considered a violation of doctor/patient privilege. So, when the gun dealer ran the check, nothing came up, so he sold the shooter the weapon. Others were simply ignored by their parents, for whatever reason.... and in retrospect, all the signs of a troubled personality were there for everyone to see. Seems that no one chose to see it though... (and of course, this IS in retrospect..... so, things seem much clearer 'now'....) Another shooter, who happened to be a man that had been convicted of murder previously, why he wasn't in prison is anyones guess. maybe out on parole... could not buy his own weapons for his dirty work, so, he got some gal to buy them for him. (straw purchaser) I would also point out, that 99% of the weapons used in mass shootings, were acquired legally, by their owners..... in a lot of cases, the owners were the parents/family of the shooter, and the weapons used were in the home. Sandy Hook, Columbine fall in to this category. (along with others, but, I am not going to list them all....) Something else of interest is, most shootings are done with pistols, and shotguns..... not necessarily pistols with huge magazines either. NONE of the laws currently working their way thru congress will make the slightest difference in these incidents. They are targeting the exact WRONG crowd. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnchrist Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We are a fast food society. We want as much as posible as quickly as possible. Magical pills to make us feel good and surgical procedures to make us loose weight in a blink of an eye. It wouldn't surprise me at all if these drugs were the cause of a lot of our problems. Problems that we would rather cover up then take the time and effort to fix them the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We are a fast food society. We want as much as posible as quickly as possible. Magical pills to make us feel good and surgical proceduresthere is always this as a solution to depression and other such mental issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aNILW6ILk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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