Israel's actions

[jaysus]

@assasin

lol

dunno but i guess you have some serious personel issues i dont wanna even know of...

and actually i think it would be good if you redid some years of shool...

just to point out one thing: the hague convention is thought for "wars" - that conflict is not defined as a war but as an insurgence and thus deserves no hague treatement, and this does not come from the palesties but the israelis and their supporting UN buddies (contemporary example can be seen in the lebanon incurrsion last year... or 2 yrs ago - which was classed not as war again)

apart from that noone on this planet still gives a damn about conventions... banned ammo, banned chemicals, banned bombs, banned mines... all produced, distributed and used by our oh so honorable nations of the "civilized west"

puke

 

@linspuppy

;) like you... good points there but not all is right...

 

1st judaism wasnt so different from other religions at the time... take zochorastrianism (or however its spelled lol) - its basicly the religion spread out through the whole persian empire till alexander the mighty mad and is the fundamental base of all later monotheistic religions including judaism (apart maybe from the even earlier worship of Ra in egypt)

 

and as you rightfully say all 3 main religions follow the same god... sadly only islam accepts other believers of "the book" as m(a/u)sr(e/i) (egyptian, muslim, believer - no vocals in arab thus in brackets) whereas the other two older ones shun their counterparts as blasphemie even tho they all say the same... so i can only assume that the leaders of these religions didnt want peace and harmony but strived for power... and examples like the one i mentioned where moses kills half his people cause theyre having fun and seem to fall for the old and free gods just support that fact (not theory...)

 

and here we are... its is NOT about religion... religion has always been a tool and will always be, a tool to unite and controle cattle... was replaced in modern times by money using the corrupt banking system invented in babylon and seen to work just aswell or even better than religion...

 

buddhism is the only religion is see fit for mankind as it says goodbye to prejeduce and all that control freakness

 

as to the holocoust, yes it sounds harsch and nasty - but thats what it is or was... just remind yourself of all the false flag operations to achieve a goal... 911 was just one of the latest and to me there is no doubt that many influencial jews knew about the holocoust and greedily supported it like the rothshild banks for example

its a basic ruling method deriving from times even before machiavelli... if you dont like somin and want it gone but lack the support, well make it look worse... whats easier than to join that side and support it to do even worse?

 

you cant compare a huge building like the vatican with a whole nation... really... they dont even have a tank let alone a fighter jet...

 

i give a damn bout spellcheckers to be honest lol

and well i also know quite some people with different believes than me... (not every rpg players is an eremit idiot you know)

[Lisnpuppy]

@assasin

lol

dunno but i guess you have some serious personel issues i dont wanna even know of...

and actually i think it would be good if you redid some years of shool...

just to point out one thing: the hague convention is thought for "wars" - that conflict is not defined as a war but as an insurgence and thus deserves no hague treatement, and this does not come from the palesties but the israelis and their supporting UN buddies (contemporary example can be seen in the lebanon incurrsion last year... or 2 yrs ago - which was classed not as war again)

apart from that noone on this planet still gives a damn about conventions... banned ammo, banned chemicals, banned bombs, banned mines... all produced, distributed and used by our oh so honorable nations of the "civilized west"

puke

 

@linspuppy

;) like you... good points there but not all is right...

 

1st judaism wasnt so different from other religions at the time... take zochorastrianism (or however its spelled lol) - its basicly the religion spread out through the whole persian empire till alexander the mighty mad and is the fundamental base of all later monotheistic religions including judaism (apart maybe from the even earlier worship of Ra in egypt)

 

and as you rightfully say all 3 main religions follow the same god... sadly only islam accepts other believers of "the book" as m(a/u)sr(e/i) (egyptian, muslim, believer - no vocals in arab thus in brackets) whereas the other two older ones shun their counterparts as blasphemie even tho they all say the same... so i can only assume that the leaders of these religions didnt want peace and harmony but strived for power... and examples like the one i mentioned where moses kills half his people cause theyre having fun and seem to fall for the old and free gods just support that fact (not theory...)

 

and here we are... its is NOT about religion... religion has always been a tool and will always be, a tool to unite and controle cattle... was replaced in modern times by money using the corrupt banking system invented in babylon and seen to work just aswell or even better than religion...

 

buddhism is the only religion is see fit for mankind as it says goodbye to prejeduce and all that control freakness

 

as to the holocoust, yes it sounds harsch and nasty - but thats what it is or was... just remind yourself of all the false flag operations to achieve a goal... 911 was just one of the latest and to me there is no doubt that many influencial jews knew about the holocoust and greedily supported it like the rothshild banks for example

its a basic ruling method deriving from times even before machiavelli... if you dont like somin and want it gone but lack the support, well make it look worse... whats easier than to join that side and support it to do even worse?

 

you cant compare a huge building like the vatican with a whole nation... really... they dont even have a tank let alone a fighter jet...

 

i give a damn bout spellcheckers to be honest lol

and well i also know quite some people with different believes than me... (not every rpg players is an eremit idiot you know)

 

 

Well...as I dont recall calling you an idiot I would say I know that. And I am certainly am not....however as to my joke about the spell checker..I am a horrib speller but it is honestly difficult to take one seriously when you have to decipher half the words.

 

As for my mention of religion....what is so different about the development of the Judaic mind-set was that in these times relgiious outlook was completely seperate from all other things..The Jews were the first to have a moral outlook on every aspect of life as through their religion.(unlike say the Greeks who seperated law and morality) they were also the 1st to emphasize that all people and life was of value and that not only were the rich and powerful worth something. It is this that is most prevalent in our socienty...even if it is not always practiced.

And not this is not a religious debate but you can not discuss the actions of either side without that contecxt as I assume that you know.

 

And you can compare the Vatican....they need not a tank to have power and influence. Maybe it is not the same as it was long ago when all rule came from the Catholic Church but it is powerful just the same.

 

And Islam does view the Jewish and Christian traditons with respect, but believes that the Word of God has becine corrupt and that Islam is the true and unaltered word of God. So it isnt as if everyone gets a free ride here. Also unlike both Christianity and Islam the Jews no longer "missionize" tohers (ie convert) so I would saytheir acceptance is a more non-evasive one. I have never has a Jew at my door but have had missionaries from both other religions there.

 

However as I stated before...if peace is truely wanted we and all other sides need to stop pointing fingers about who has what rights, whose fault things are, etc. Both sides need to be treated with equal severirty and other Nations must insist that all this fighting is unacceptable and back this up. neither of these countries could live without outside commerce. However I doubt this will happen. And if left on thier own they will NOT stop fighting.

 

Unless you live there every day I do not think you can know the truth about what happens. I know the US give a decidedly pro-Israeli spin to things. I assume other countries face this as well.

 

However as you say this isnt a religious discussion..you can not debate this out of that context..and you can not look at the reasons these people continue to fight without seeing that their beliefs are at the very center of this.

 

And looking through many of these post...(and I am not saying you Jaysus_ there is a great deal of hatred being shown toward both these groups of people. Much more that in may other debabte threads I have seen. To say let them alone to sort it out is not something that is helpful..but also thinking that the powers int he world have allt he solutions is also incorrect. The way to peace is for these people to see they can live together and still have thier beliefs and faith intact.

[PrideAssassin]

Being hog-tied by the prohibition on religious discussion sucks... lol

 

I don't have a hatred for either side. I'm ambivalent toward both of them.

Hamas broke the cease fire by firing their piddly little rockets one too many times, and now their chickens have come home to roost. Pretty cut and dried. Israel has done more in recent times to reach out to Palestine than at any other time in history, even going so far as to agree to recognize Palestinian statehood.

Such an awful act would put the Hamas boys out o' business.

The talks were on track until Hamas overthrew Gaza in a desperate attempt to remain relevant and see more of their own people get gibbed, since apparantly that's what gets their rocks off.

If this were a strike against Palestine, Abbas' boys would be getting hit too. It is a strike against Hamas.

[myrmaad]

It all comes down to your opinion then, and I disagree with yours. You didn't like parroting your liberal professors, but then the whole conservative "no child left behind" movement is a setup so that the masses will continue to only learn to parrot rather than to think critically. And it worked well for you, as you seem to now just parrot some moron on the radio, instead. I'm sure I'd out-liberal your professors, I was a hippy when you were zygote. Your opine is as valuable to me, as mine is to you.

[PrideAssassin]

I don't see how Hamas not just breaking the cease fire, but outright asking for a missile up the pooper is opinion.

I don't see how Israel attempting to recognize Palestine is opinion.

I don't see how Israel arresting and evicting extremist Israeli settlers is opinion.

I don't see how Israel allowing medical supplies into Gaza is opinion.

I don't see how Israel confining it's activities to Hamas, and not the Abbas govt. is opinion.

I don't see how Israel warning the civvies in Gaza IN ADVANCE of impending strikes, putting their own troops in danger is opinion.

Those are facts. Do with them what you will.

 

I don't listen to the radio.

I don't like conservatives or liberals. I'd be hard pressed to even call myself a Libertarian. I have no affiliation. Right wing? Left wing? You need both. Flying with one wing will end in disaster. ;)

 

I don't like how this discussion continues to be about me personally, rather than the topic at hand.

I find it funny that I end up having to defend myself, rather than my position.

I am dismayed that only lisnpuppy has made a valiant (if neutral) effort to contribute.

 

So far, I am an uneducated dishonorable troll, with serious personal issues, who is a moron that cannot think for himself and regurgitates opinions spewed by idiots and should be ignored.

Sound about right?

What does any of that have to do with the topic at hand?

Oh, right.

NOTHING.

 

The topic isn't about me. If you have something to say to me, I posted my contact info. Here it is again: [email protected] Spam away.

If you have a point, please make it. I'm going to ask you one more time, for the LAST time to stick to the topic at hand.

Lest I request the thread be locked and action taken against the next person who strays from our discussion to comment on li'l ol' me again, aye?

[Michlo]

My personell is loyal. :P

I've had enough "schooling", thank you.

I don't need any more of some ultra-liberal poof hijacking his/her position to push their personal agenda. /snip

 

Just when I thought you couldn't fall any lower in my esteem. This, sir, earned you a report and I'd appreciate that you no longer contribute to this thread lest it be closed altogether.

 

Thank you.

[PrideAssassin]

My personell is loyal. :P

I've had enough "schooling", thank you.

I don't need any more of some ultra-liberal poof hijacking his/her position to push their personal agenda. /snip

 

Just when I thought you couldn't fall any lower in my esteem. This, sir, earned you a report and I'd appreciate that you no longer contribute to this thread lest it be closed altogether.

 

Thank you.

And your response to my reply to your position is?

My college experience was just that, in my opinion. My profs. weren't teaching what they were hired to teach, and used their position to push their personal agendas the majority of the time. It was especially bad in the humanities classes.

I didn't flame anyone. I merely presented to you my experience, and my loathing for do-nothing profs.

So yes, in my opinion they were poofs. Lightweights. Lazy. Duplicitous. Dishonest. Misappropriating funds to push their personal agendas. Criminals, in other words.

Don't call me uneducated and exhort that I return to school when I've been there, done that, and wasn't in the least bit impressed.

 

If you want to be a Hamas shill, please do it in the off topic forum, where I will respect your request to not post in "your" thread.

You're in debate, so refute my facts.

If you will not do that, I respectfully request you no longer contribute to this thread.

 

Thank you.

[AlienSlof]

And you, PrideAssassin, are BANNED. Racial, homophobic or gender slurs are not welcome here. You have caused enough trouble.

 

Goodbye.

 

*To the rest: this is a DEBATE, not a flame-fest. Keep it that way or it will be locked and more bannings will occur. You may not agree with what is said, but that is the whole point. I will only take action if you folks start insulting each other and fanning flames - as this one did.

 

AS (moderator)

[Gligamesh]

And you, PrideAssassin, are BANNED. Racial, homophobic or gender slurs are not welcome here. You have caused enough trouble.

 

Goodbye.

 

*To the rest: this is a DEBATE, not a flame-fest. Keep it that way or it will be locked and more bannings will occur. You may not agree with what is said, but that is the whole point. I will only take action if you folks start insulting each other and fanning flames - as this one did.

 

AS (moderator)

 

I've apologized for a huge miscommuniction privately, now I will do so publicy.

Ignorance is no excuse, and you can infer what you wish. I honestly did not know the word was a slur. And that is the truth.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poof

 

1poof

Pronunciation: \ˈpüf, ˈpu̇f\

Function: interjection

Date: 1824

—used to express disdain or dismissal or to suggest instantaneous occurrence

 

That was the context I intended, and I had no idea it meant what it means. It was in reference to my professors, and not toward any poster on this board.

 

It has been removed from my lexicon, now that I know.

 

Michlo, again, I apologize for offending you. It definately won't happen again. Whether I stay banned (lol) or not.

 

Moderators, ban this account if you wish, I'm not here to cause trouble, but if you feel I'm more trouble than I'm worth, then I'll abide by your wishes.

You have a great modding community that I aspire to learn from and contribute to.

I would appreciate my old account back, since I have a file uploaded under that name that I want to update. But seeing as you're not here to please me, but to keep the peace, I'm doubting that will happen

I can promise not to further rile your community, it's up to you whether or not you believe I'm sincere. If you want to reinstate me with 2 strikes I'd be thrilled, even though it was an honest miscommunication.

 

So, once again, apologies are in order to Michlo, the moderators (for having to put up with me), and anyone else I may have offended. One way or the other, it won't happen again.

 

I tend to get riled easily, and have extreme views (especially with regard to human rights and death), so I'll just stay away from debates, yes? Hopefully a compromise can be found.

 

Y'all have a good day.

Regards,

-PrideAssassin

[Legental]

What would America do if their are rockets launched continuely on its grounds?

Send all his troops to the country they suspect that attacks.

Isreal is doing the same.